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	<description>She escaped from the belly of the liberal beast</description>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/05/12/yet-another-reminder-of-why-we-dont-want-government-running-things/#comment-1132</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 19:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's a difference in macro-economics and micro-economics. This matters because the macro influences over a company like refusing to buy their goods, doesn't actually translate into micro-level improvements. I have a friend that relates talking on the phone to customer service, and his record is manly that if you are persistent and (yes annoying) enough they will eventually give you what you deserve, but only if you make yourself really loud and big, big enough that ignoring you could cause problems.

Given my experience, a lot of people either don't have the patience nor the interest in spending days on the phone trying to get customer service. So whatever micro-scale improvements you get, doesn't translate to the macro. Whatever macro scale improvents you can get through free market, does not instantaneously translate to micro-level improvement in service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a difference in macro-economics and micro-economics. This matters because the macro influences over a company like refusing to buy their goods, doesn&#8217;t actually translate into micro-level improvements. I have a friend that relates talking on the phone to customer service, and his record is manly that if you are persistent and (yes annoying) enough they will eventually give you what you deserve, but only if you make yourself really loud and big, big enough that ignoring you could cause problems.</p>
<p>Given my experience, a lot of people either don&#8217;t have the patience nor the interest in spending days on the phone trying to get customer service. So whatever micro-scale improvements you get, doesn&#8217;t translate to the macro. Whatever macro scale improvents you can get through free market, does not instantaneously translate to micro-level improvement in service.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/05/12/yet-another-reminder-of-why-we-dont-want-government-running-things/#comment-1131</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 18:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, Earl, you're missing the whole point behind the initiative.  It's not to give the consumer more freedom, it's to give the government more control -- because, after all, the government has already done such a good job with education!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, Earl, you&#8217;re missing the whole point behind the initiative.  It&#8217;s not to give the consumer more freedom, it&#8217;s to give the government more control &#8212; because, after all, the government has already done such a good job with education!</p>
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		<title>By: Earl</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/05/12/yet-another-reminder-of-why-we-dont-want-government-running-things/#comment-1130</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 18:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*IF* we are to have government-provided daycare, then let it be provided in the same way as food is provided to those who need it.....  "Daycare stamps" can be issued, and parents who claim them can go and spend their daycare stamps at the facility of their choosing.

Something similar would make a VAST improvement on the current government school system -- but don't be holding your breath for it.  When they liberate people, the politicians have one less thing to "sell" -- in this case, to the public employee unions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*IF* we are to have government-provided daycare, then let it be provided in the same way as food is provided to those who need it&#8230;..  &#8220;Daycare stamps&#8221; can be issued, and parents who claim them can go and spend their daycare stamps at the facility of their choosing.</p>
<p>Something similar would make a VAST improvement on the current government school system &#8212; but don&#8217;t be holding your breath for it.  When they liberate people, the politicians have one less thing to &#8220;sell&#8221; &#8212; in this case, to the public employee unions.</p>
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		<title>By: Zabrina</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/05/12/yet-another-reminder-of-why-we-dont-want-government-running-things/#comment-1129</link>
		<dc:creator>Zabrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 01:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pacific Research Institute
http://www.pacificresearch.org/
has a good presentation here:

"No Magic Bullet:  The Top 10 Myths about the Benefits of Government-Run Universal Pre-School" (pdf file):

http://www.pacificresearch.org/pub/sab/educat/2006/Magic_Bullet.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pacific Research Institute<br />
<a href="http://www.pacificresearch.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pacificresearch.org/</a><br />
has a good presentation here:</p>
<p>&#8220;No Magic Bullet:  The Top 10 Myths about the Benefits of Government-Run Universal Pre-School&#8221; (pdf file):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pacificresearch.org/pub/sab/educat/2006/Magic_Bullet.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pacificresearch.org/pub/sab/educat/2006/Magic_Bullet.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zabrina</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/05/12/yet-another-reminder-of-why-we-dont-want-government-running-things/#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator>Zabrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 10:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe wrote:

"There is an initiative (can’t recall if it is California wide or just in SF) to make day care available to all. Lovely sentiment. This of course requires the creation of new government organizations to manage and run these facilities. We have a 4 year old boy and 2 6 month old girls. I can only imagine how horrible and frustrating it would be to bring our children to a facility run with the same loving tenderness of a Post Office or a DMV.

Government should do only those things that only government can do."

These government daycare proposals make my blood run cold, for exactly that reason. It would be far better for the government (if "the people" really do decide they all want to support daycare through their tax dollars, and it is not just some pandering political boondoggle) to give parents money to purchase their own chosen daycare on the free market.

Whenever the government intrudes into the marketplace by trying to provide services already being provided by private enterprise, its subsidized, non-competitive offerings (often bolstered and protected by regulations that favor its own) tend to "crowd out" (drive out of business) the smaller and more varied  (not to mention better-quality) suppliers who can no longer compete. Then everyone's worse off.

The more competition there is, the more choices you have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is an initiative (can’t recall if it is California wide or just in SF) to make day care available to all. Lovely sentiment. This of course requires the creation of new government organizations to manage and run these facilities. We have a 4 year old boy and 2 6 month old girls. I can only imagine how horrible and frustrating it would be to bring our children to a facility run with the same loving tenderness of a Post Office or a DMV.</p>
<p>Government should do only those things that only government can do.&#8221;</p>
<p>These government daycare proposals make my blood run cold, for exactly that reason. It would be far better for the government (if &#8220;the people&#8221; really do decide they all want to support daycare through their tax dollars, and it is not just some pandering political boondoggle) to give parents money to purchase their own chosen daycare on the free market.</p>
<p>Whenever the government intrudes into the marketplace by trying to provide services already being provided by private enterprise, its subsidized, non-competitive offerings (often bolstered and protected by regulations that favor its own) tend to &#8220;crowd out&#8221; (drive out of business) the smaller and more varied  (not to mention better-quality) suppliers who can no longer compete. Then everyone&#8217;s worse off.</p>
<p>The more competition there is, the more choices you have.</p>
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		<title>By: Zabrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zabrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 10:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Publius wrote:

"How do you go about reporting a bad experience with someone in customer service at a global company? If the imbeciles at Sprint add charges to your account, or can’t change a phone number, what recourse do you have? Not many I’m afraid."

You can take your business elsewhere! Don't support companies that mistreat you. In a free market, you have that right. Competition works.

But you can get your birth certificates only from a government monopoly. You cannot go elsewhere. No competition means no need for the bureaucrats to be efficient or pleasant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Publius wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;How do you go about reporting a bad experience with someone in customer service at a global company? If the imbeciles at Sprint add charges to your account, or can’t change a phone number, what recourse do you have? Not many I’m afraid.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can take your business elsewhere! Don&#8217;t support companies that mistreat you. In a free market, you have that right. Competition works.</p>
<p>But you can get your birth certificates only from a government monopoly. You cannot go elsewhere. No competition means no need for the bureaucrats to be efficient or pleasant.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 16:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Having been in the military (as an enlisted man) we were expected to use Ma'am and Sir when addressing civilians.  I observed that officers would also use these forms of polite address as well.

2) The military is in no way similar to any other government employee.  Unless other government employees fall under the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice) then you're comparing apples with oranges.

3) Bookworm and Mr. Bookworm--Mary Matlin and James Carville--I've never seen them all in the same picture...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Having been in the military (as an enlisted man) we were expected to use Ma&#8217;am and Sir when addressing civilians.  I observed that officers would also use these forms of polite address as well.</p>
<p>2) The military is in no way similar to any other government employee.  Unless other government employees fall under the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice) then you&#8217;re comparing apples with oranges.</p>
<p>3) Bookworm and Mr. Bookworm&#8211;Mary Matlin and James Carville&#8211;I&#8217;ve never seen them all in the same picture&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 14:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BW - great post.

But to respond to Erp way back at No. 2 - as a male, and a white male at that, I can say that I've been treated rudely numerous times, so I don't think that it's limited to only women being treated shabily by government types.

But I also don't believe that private industry is the panacea for rude behavior.  I think many of our global companies are so out-sized that the behavior of one cog in the machine really cannot be disciplined.  Though I have had pleasant experiences with customer service people at the bank, telephone company, cable company, etc. (and I always try and be nice, the idea being that if you are difficult than I know they will do everything possible to sabotage you on the problem you called with), I can say that many of my experiences with people at the cell phone provider, Dell computers, hotel chains, the grocery store, etc. are awful.  These people do not care, and they do feel untouchable.

How do you go about reporting a bad experience with someone in customer service at a global company?  If the imbeciles at Sprint add charges to your account, or can't change a phone number, what recourse do you have?  Not many I'm afraid.

The fact is that bureacratization of the culture and a disconnect from interpersonal communications, and frankly a decrease in civility in America all contribute to this problem whether the private sector or public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BW - great post.</p>
<p>But to respond to Erp way back at No. 2 - as a male, and a white male at that, I can say that I&#8217;ve been treated rudely numerous times, so I don&#8217;t think that it&#8217;s limited to only women being treated shabily by government types.</p>
<p>But I also don&#8217;t believe that private industry is the panacea for rude behavior.  I think many of our global companies are so out-sized that the behavior of one cog in the machine really cannot be disciplined.  Though I have had pleasant experiences with customer service people at the bank, telephone company, cable company, etc. (and I always try and be nice, the idea being that if you are difficult than I know they will do everything possible to sabotage you on the problem you called with), I can say that many of my experiences with people at the cell phone provider, Dell computers, hotel chains, the grocery store, etc. are awful.  These people do not care, and they do feel untouchable.</p>
<p>How do you go about reporting a bad experience with someone in customer service at a global company?  If the imbeciles at Sprint add charges to your account, or can&#8217;t change a phone number, what recourse do you have?  Not many I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>The fact is that bureacratization of the culture and a disconnect from interpersonal communications, and frankly a decrease in civility in America all contribute to this problem whether the private sector or public.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/05/12/yet-another-reminder-of-why-we-dont-want-government-running-things/#comment-1124</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 02:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't really care if they were rude. Engineers tend to be very annoyed and rude at times. But their effectiveness makes up for that. If there's no lines and the bureacrats are surly and cranky, that's okay with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t really care if they were rude. Engineers tend to be very annoyed and rude at times. But their effectiveness makes up for that. If there&#8217;s no lines and the bureacrats are surly and cranky, that&#8217;s okay with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 21:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe:  the initiative is in California, courtesy of Rob Reiner.  My children attend a Montessori school and the school is very worried that the initiative will pass, since it will basically destroy the school's unique Montessori qualities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe:  the initiative is in California, courtesy of Rob Reiner.  My children attend a Montessori school and the school is very worried that the initiative will pass, since it will basically destroy the school&#8217;s unique Montessori qualities.</p>
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