Wondering about the whole story

I've been rather conspicuously silent about the whole Haditha thing. Until facts come out, rather than rumor, I don't really have anything to say. During times of war, even in the best regulated military, soldiers have been known to do some pretty awful things. You can't take young men, arm them, and drop them into territory where everyone is trying desperately to kill them, and then assume that nothing bad will ever happen.

The correct approach, in my mind, is what's happening here: the Marines are conducting a full investigation and, if the Marines involved committed atrocities (which I devoutly hope they didn't), they'll be punished to the full extent of military law. End of story, unless you're an anti-War activist and want to flog this to death for the benefit of those who repeatedly voice and act upon their wish to kill us all . . . but that's another story.

I did read one thing today, though, that reminded me, right off the bat, that there could be another way to understand the story of dead women and children:

The father of a U.S. Marine killed by a roadside bomb in western Iraq in November believes his son's comrades did nothing wrong despite a criminal investigation into events that left more than 20 Iraqi civilians dead, including women and children.

"It's very hard for me, I don't even listen to the news," Martin Terrazas said of reports of the mass killings in Haditha, in Iraq's Anbar province. "The insurgents were hiding in there with the kids." [Emphasis mine.]

As has been repeatedly demonstrated in Gaza, the Arab/Jihadist/Muslim/Insurgent (whatever you what to call 'em) fighters like to integrate with the civil population. One can readily imagine a scenario in which Marines, going on the attack following an IED bombing, ended up engaged with Jihadists who had surrounded themselves, for tactical reasons, with a defenseless civilian population of women and children. If this scenario were true, the blame for the deaths of these innocents rests with the Jihadists, and not with the Marines.

I'm not, of course, saying the above scenario is true. As I noted at the beginning, we have no facts. I'm just noting before everyone rushes to convict the Marines involved, that there are more ways than one (certainly more ways than Murtha's) to imagine this story.

UPDATE:  Michelle Malkin also addresses the possibility that the children may have been combatants, which is a terrible thought, or at least used as tools by the fighters, an equally terrible thought.

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  • http://ymarsakar.blogspot.com/ Ymarsakar

    My prediction is this. There are 4 scenarios, and one of them is the one you described. The other 3 are thus.

    The Marines covered it up because of guilt or because they knew it would benefit their enemies, even though the Marines didn’t kill the civilians.

    The terroists executed the children and women when they knew they were surrounded, hoping to put the blame on the US.

    The Marines did what Murtha believed that they did.

    That’s about the most probable scenarios to me.

  • http://arosebyname.blogspot.com Anna

    I don’t want to speculate. I hope to God it is not Murtha’s scenario. I just want the investigation to finish with the truth and not let the speculation of Murtha or the MSM weight the outcome.

  • http://ymarsakar.blogspot.com/ Ymarsakar

    It looks like the rule of law is an inconvenience to some people, whom yell it out the loudest when it benefits them.

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  • jg

    This is a story I will ignore. It may be true; let the military courts decide. It has no relevance to the War on Terror, except to the fifth columnists in this country who openly support terror at times, especially in Iraq.

    Certainly I welcome the chance to put the American military on trial. There must be thousands of stories about American presence in Iraq that the world wide (not just ‘so called’ American) MSM has censored. Four years worth of occupation; tell us about it. Hey, let’s see the facts. Every single story.

    Which we won’t.

    So we (at least, I) won’t affirm a mock trial over ONE story.

    I WILL oppose those who will not fight the slaughter of Iraqi innocent men, women and children, but instead attack the mission of those soldiers who save them. Bloodstained are the hands of the antiwar movement. The Left/MSM have no moral basis upon which to stand.

  • erp

    Terrorists imbed with families, hospitals, schools knowing how reluctant we are to fire on innocents, but there is a point where this can no longer be tolerated. We grieve for them, but unless law abiding citizens expose the terrorists themselves, they will continue to be in the line fire.

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  • jg

    Ben Stein offers this Memorial Day answer.