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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/07/22/words-bleep-words/#comment-2576</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Currently serving in the Navy and I would have to agree with the smurf analogy. Enlisted personnel definately cuss a lot along with LDO's and junior officer's. Senior officers rarely use profanity as it is looked at as ungentlemanly. You can always pick a sailor out of a crowd just by hearing him talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Currently serving in the Navy and I would have to agree with the smurf analogy. Enlisted personnel definately cuss a lot along with LDO&#8217;s and junior officer&#8217;s. Senior officers rarely use profanity as it is looked at as ungentlemanly. You can always pick a sailor out of a crowd just by hearing him talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/07/22/words-bleep-words/#comment-2575</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just finished a 20yr career in the Air Force, and while the AF is considered the least macho of the services, I think my experience is representative.

Like any office or social group, military personnel are influenced by their leaders.  I never encouraged profanity among my co-workers, and with reinforcement from one or two others I usually didn't hear much of it.  This would vary from workcenter to workcenter.

The amount of profanity used by an individual generally decreased in inverse proportion to their visibility.  You don't hear a lot of profanity when you're in a meeting with the General and his staff, compared to when you're taking a break with the guys.

Disparaging remarks about women are generally discouraged, as the military is subject to the same prohibitions on discrimination as everyone else.

Generally, the most profanity comes from the young troops, who, aside from hormonal influences, may expect the military environment to reflect what they've seen on the big screen. It seldom does.

Use of profanity simply varies from extreme to non-existent, just like anywhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just finished a 20yr career in the Air Force, and while the AF is considered the least macho of the services, I think my experience is representative.</p>
<p>Like any office or social group, military personnel are influenced by their leaders.  I never encouraged profanity among my co-workers, and with reinforcement from one or two others I usually didn&#8217;t hear much of it.  This would vary from workcenter to workcenter.</p>
<p>The amount of profanity used by an individual generally decreased in inverse proportion to their visibility.  You don&#8217;t hear a lot of profanity when you&#8217;re in a meeting with the General and his staff, compared to when you&#8217;re taking a break with the guys.</p>
<p>Disparaging remarks about women are generally discouraged, as the military is subject to the same prohibitions on discrimination as everyone else.</p>
<p>Generally, the most profanity comes from the young troops, who, aside from hormonal influences, may expect the military environment to reflect what they&#8217;ve seen on the big screen. It seldom does.</p>
<p>Use of profanity simply varies from extreme to non-existent, just like anywhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/07/22/words-bleep-words/#comment-2574</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On my second day of basic training, our TI informed us that there was to be no profanity in his flight.  He then told us that sometimes slips happen, and he wouldn't hear them if we didn't hear them.  While we weren't as coarse with our language as, say, the Sopranos, there was a lot of swearing going on.  This continued throughout my time in the military, though it would wax and wane depending on the situation.  In the office, not much swearing except during the mission, but outside the office, it was pretty commonplace.

It reminds me of the saying "mouth like a sailor."  After a while, though, you don't really notice it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On my second day of basic training, our TI informed us that there was to be no profanity in his flight.  He then told us that sometimes slips happen, and he wouldn&#8217;t hear them if we didn&#8217;t hear them.  While we weren&#8217;t as coarse with our language as, say, the Sopranos, there was a lot of swearing going on.  This continued throughout my time in the military, though it would wax and wane depending on the situation.  In the office, not much swearing except during the mission, but outside the office, it was pretty commonplace.</p>
<p>It reminds me of the saying &#8220;mouth like a sailor.&#8221;  After a while, though, you don&#8217;t really notice it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/07/22/words-bleep-words/#comment-2565</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hollywood tries to act cool by portraying gang behavior. You know, where people call each other fers, and mofos, and n***ers. They're doing it to make themselves feel superior, bad arse, and all that. There's a jutsu harmony between members of a unit that has seen combat together. There is competition, but the teamwork trumps all that. They are confident in themselves and their abilities, and of their buddy's abilities as well. I interpret the need to curse in the military to simply because the depth of emotions that are produced in a unit are so strong, normal polite words do not describe things adequately.

Gang members take pride in being the sum total of putative curse words, bad mofos. The military feel emotions so strongly that words do not describe things adequately, so the best they do is to use curse words all the time. That and the screaming and the praying, as well. Because the bond is so strong, normal social politeness is stripped away, the veneer of civilization in combat is stripped away. Combat buddies do not treat each other in a formal, polite manner. All of that is gone, melted away.

It's hard for Hollywood to see beneath the language and the visuals, to the spirit and the soul. Their version of things is rather faded out and bland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hollywood tries to act cool by portraying gang behavior. You know, where people call each other fers, and mofos, and n***ers. They&#8217;re doing it to make themselves feel superior, bad arse, and all that. There&#8217;s a jutsu harmony between members of a unit that has seen combat together. There is competition, but the teamwork trumps all that. They are confident in themselves and their abilities, and of their buddy&#8217;s abilities as well. I interpret the need to curse in the military to simply because the depth of emotions that are produced in a unit are so strong, normal polite words do not describe things adequately.</p>
<p>Gang members take pride in being the sum total of putative curse words, bad mofos. The military feel emotions so strongly that words do not describe things adequately, so the best they do is to use curse words all the time. That and the screaming and the praying, as well. Because the bond is so strong, normal social politeness is stripped away, the veneer of civilization in combat is stripped away. Combat buddies do not treat each other in a formal, polite manner. All of that is gone, melted away.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard for Hollywood to see beneath the language and the visuals, to the spirit and the soul. Their version of things is rather faded out and bland.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/07/22/words-bleep-words/#comment-2566</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During my 6 years in the Navy, the f-word was used constantly by the majority of the enlisted men (including myself) and even many of the junior officers (but very rarely by the senior officers).  For those of you who are familiar with the smurfs, imagine every time they say the word smurf or any of its variants, replace it with the f-word and you'll get the idea of what conversations were like.  I broke this bad habit when it accidentally slipped out in front of my mother while I was home on leave--the look of shock on her face was something I never wanted to see again.  Unfortunately, I got to see it once more on that same visit--when I happened to take off my shirt and she saw the tattoo I got in Hong Kong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During my 6 years in the Navy, the f-word was used constantly by the majority of the enlisted men (including myself) and even many of the junior officers (but very rarely by the senior officers).  For those of you who are familiar with the smurfs, imagine every time they say the word smurf or any of its variants, replace it with the f-word and you&#8217;ll get the idea of what conversations were like.  I broke this bad habit when it accidentally slipped out in front of my mother while I was home on leave&#8211;the look of shock on her face was something I never wanted to see again.  Unfortunately, I got to see it once more on that same visit&#8211;when I happened to take off my shirt and she saw the tattoo I got in Hong Kong.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/07/22/words-bleep-words/#comment-2571</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did watch them (before my internet crashed -- again), and it seemed as if the obscenities were reserved for those they disdained, not for each other.  That's significantly different from Hollywood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did watch them (before my internet crashed &#8212; again), and it seemed as if the obscenities were reserved for those they disdained, not for each other.  That&#8217;s significantly different from Hollywood.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/07/22/words-bleep-words/#comment-2572</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you get a chance to watch Pat Dollard's videos, linked off blackfive, yet bookworm? If you did, how was it different similar to what Hollwood showed you, book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you get a chance to watch Pat Dollard&#8217;s videos, linked off blackfive, yet bookworm? If you did, how was it different similar to what Hollwood showed you, book?</p>
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		<title>By: edwardv</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/07/22/words-bleep-words/#comment-2573</link>
		<dc:creator>edwardv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My service is about a half century ago, the vietnam era which is so often depicted in these Hollywood movies. Candidly, while the "M-F" term was often heard, its primary use was by blacks.  "REMF"  was used by everyone and the "F" work appeared to be used in inverse proportion to the education and combat experience of the speaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My service is about a half century ago, the vietnam era which is so often depicted in these Hollywood movies. Candidly, while the &#8220;M-F&#8221; term was often heard, its primary use was by blacks.  &#8220;REMF&#8221;  was used by everyone and the &#8220;F&#8221; work appeared to be used in inverse proportion to the education and combat experience of the speaker.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/07/22/words-bleep-words/#comment-2567</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's two links awaiting moderation, just so you know if you want to find an example of what they will or will not say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s two links awaiting moderation, just so you know if you want to find an example of what they will or will not say.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quixote</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/07/22/words-bleep-words/#comment-2568</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was never in the real military, but I spent 5 1/2 years in a military jr high/high school and the language the kids used was more salty than you could ever imagine.  I have no reason to believe that the real thing is any less profane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was never in the real military, but I spent 5 1/2 years in a military jr high/high school and the language the kids used was more salty than you could ever imagine.  I have no reason to believe that the real thing is any less profane.</p>
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