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		<title>By: Bookworm Room &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Similarities and differences</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/08/18/world-war-iis-legacy/#comment-3853</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm Room &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Similarities and differences</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I mentioned before that I watched The Long Way Home, a documentary about the Jewish experience in the years between the liberation of the camps and the founding of the State of Israel. One of the things that movie reminded me about was the similarities between the tactics Jewish militants used to displace the British and the tactics the Palestinians have used to displace the Jews: bombs. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I mentioned before that I watched The Long Way Home, a documentary about the Jewish experience in the years between the liberation of the camps and the founding of the State of Israel. One of the things that movie reminded me about was the similarities between the tactics Jewish militants used to displace the British and the tactics the Palestinians have used to displace the Jews: bombs. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/08/18/world-war-iis-legacy/#comment-3854</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, what did Patton say about the Jews specifically?

&lt;b&gt;This is not to say that Israeli soldiers aren’t brave and honorable. It’s just to say that the special ingredient that may have given Israel an edge in so many past wars has burned away.&lt;/b&gt;

Jews back then could raise their genkai, their limits. Now, they seem to be limited and restricted, and unable to surpass the limits imposed upon them even though they are stronger in terms of economy, population, technology, etc.

It just seems to repeat itself. Back in the days of despair, that kind of desperation gave strength. Now in the days of prosperity and safety, that strength is being leeched away. It is the forever cycle of entropy and order, chaos and creation, darkness and light. One cannot be without the other, yet having achieved ultimate order, entropy will drag you back, and having achieved close to all out chaos, order will give you the strength to fight back.

It's a weird state of the human condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what did Patton say about the Jews specifically?</p>
<p><b>This is not to say that Israeli soldiers aren’t brave and honorable. It’s just to say that the special ingredient that may have given Israel an edge in so many past wars has burned away.</b></p>
<p>Jews back then could raise their genkai, their limits. Now, they seem to be limited and restricted, and unable to surpass the limits imposed upon them even though they are stronger in terms of economy, population, technology, etc.</p>
<p>It just seems to repeat itself. Back in the days of despair, that kind of desperation gave strength. Now in the days of prosperity and safety, that strength is being leeched away. It is the forever cycle of entropy and order, chaos and creation, darkness and light. One cannot be without the other, yet having achieved ultimate order, entropy will drag you back, and having achieved close to all out chaos, order will give you the strength to fight back.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a weird state of the human condition.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/08/18/world-war-iis-legacy/#comment-3856</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, forgot to include this link: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/08/the_convert.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, forgot to include this link: <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/08/the_convert.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/08/the_convert.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/08/18/world-war-iis-legacy/#comment-3855</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the Koran, the Muslims and Dar-es-Salaam (the world of Islam) are favored by God. So, if true, how can it be that Jews are so successful in the "land of the Muslims" when adjoining Muslim societies are such failures? How can America be such a successful world power when that title rightfully belongs to the people "blessed by Allah"? Logically, this can only be so if these countries/peoples are in league with God's enemy, Satan. Hence, "Big Satan" and "Little Satan". This is why the primary obstacle to peace in the Middle East is not Israel or America or the West...it is traditional Islam itself. Until Islam has a reformation and reconciles itself with other peoples and religions, there cannot be peace in the Middle East, only hudnas. Unfortunately, the Koran also says that such reconciliation is harram (forbidden). The problem today is that, from the Islamofascist point of view, it's not just the Middle East but the whole world (global caliphate) that is at stake - the terrain of battle has widened. Unfortunately, most people still don't seem to get that it's no longer just Israel's war that's at stake - it's all of us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the Koran, the Muslims and Dar-es-Salaam (the world of Islam) are favored by God. So, if true, how can it be that Jews are so successful in the &#8220;land of the Muslims&#8221; when adjoining Muslim societies are such failures? How can America be such a successful world power when that title rightfully belongs to the people &#8220;blessed by Allah&#8221;? Logically, this can only be so if these countries/peoples are in league with God&#8217;s enemy, Satan. Hence, &#8220;Big Satan&#8221; and &#8220;Little Satan&#8221;. This is why the primary obstacle to peace in the Middle East is not Israel or America or the West&#8230;it is traditional Islam itself. Until Islam has a reformation and reconciles itself with other peoples and religions, there cannot be peace in the Middle East, only hudnas. Unfortunately, the Koran also says that such reconciliation is harram (forbidden). The problem today is that, from the Islamofascist point of view, it&#8217;s not just the Middle East but the whole world (global caliphate) that is at stake - the terrain of battle has widened. Unfortunately, most people still don&#8217;t seem to get that it&#8217;s no longer just Israel&#8217;s war that&#8217;s at stake - it&#8217;s all of us!</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/08/18/world-war-iis-legacy/#comment-3857</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're right, D_Brit.  As the Arabs in Israel demonstrate, Arabs who accepted Israel did very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, D_Brit.  As the Arabs in Israel demonstrate, Arabs who accepted Israel did very well.</p>
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		<title>By: d_Brit</title>
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		<dc:creator>d_Brit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bookworm,
I agree, that is why I said, "the extreme violence of muslim reaction is indefensible"

Bill C
I was only offering Hussein's article as historical perspective. In 1947, the Arabs had a compelling argument to make.

Clearly, the Brit's were taking the only &lt;i&gt;practical&lt;/i&gt; solution to the the Jewish refugee camp 'problem'. King Abdullah's suggestion that America, et al 'take' many Jews was from the &lt;i&gt;Zionist&lt;/i&gt; perspective, a 'non-starter'.

The tragic irony in all of this is of course that had the Arabs accepted the state of Israel, through political force of numbers they would at the least have major influence in Israeli today and possibly even govern it. Certainly, in time they would have assumed majority status.

By every measure, the Arabs would have benefited far more by acceptance than rejection of Israel.

But then, stupidity is infinite...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bookworm,<br />
I agree, that is why I said, &#8220;the extreme violence of muslim reaction is indefensible&#8221;</p>
<p>Bill C<br />
I was only offering Hussein&#8217;s article as historical perspective. In 1947, the Arabs had a compelling argument to make.</p>
<p>Clearly, the Brit&#8217;s were taking the only <i>practical</i> solution to the the Jewish refugee camp &#8216;problem&#8217;. King Abdullah&#8217;s suggestion that America, et al &#8216;take&#8217; many Jews was from the <i>Zionist</i> perspective, a &#8216;non-starter&#8217;.</p>
<p>The tragic irony in all of this is of course that had the Arabs accepted the state of Israel, through political force of numbers they would at the least have major influence in Israeli today and possibly even govern it. Certainly, in time they would have assumed majority status.</p>
<p>By every measure, the Arabs would have benefited far more by acceptance than rejection of Israel.</p>
<p>But then, stupidity is infinite&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: erp</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/08/18/world-war-iis-legacy/#comment-3862</link>
		<dc:creator>erp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BW, I was only about nine years old when I first saw those pictures in Life Magazine which arrived at our house in the mail every week.  We were quite fashionable.  At that time in the early 40's we were the only ones on the block to so indulge ourselves.

When the mail came, I dove for the magazine as usual and I will never forget those pictures.  Right now, nearly sixty years later, my skin is starting to crawl and I have goose pimples and pains in my stomach.

I need no reminder of them and would go very far out of my way to avoid seeing them again.

What's so horrible is that Jews are still not living in a settled world and in fact world sympathy generated by Hitler has been dissipated and even young Israeli's are anti-war.

In way as a corollary to this subject, I just read Juan Williams, "Enough."  It's amazingly well written and I don't say that lightly.  There are few books that are so well written, organized and edited that I don't have something I can criticize.   It's mostly a paean to Bill Cosby and his plain spoken criticism of the post civil rights movement's black leadership.

Of course, I remember those days too and the suffering of the people who through slavery and segregation kept their dignity and never stopped working and hoping for a chance to prove they were equals to any other   race.   I had tears in my eyes as Williams recounts a bit of the history of the post civil war negroes in the south and the degradation of their suffering by their progeny who take their suffering and throw it back in their faces by "refusing to be like whitey" and instead throw their lives away.

Williams strives mightily to say it like he sees it, but he just can't quite let go of the cant he's lived with all his life.   There's hope though, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he makes it across that wide divide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BW, I was only about nine years old when I first saw those pictures in Life Magazine which arrived at our house in the mail every week.  We were quite fashionable.  At that time in the early 40&#8217;s we were the only ones on the block to so indulge ourselves.</p>
<p>When the mail came, I dove for the magazine as usual and I will never forget those pictures.  Right now, nearly sixty years later, my skin is starting to crawl and I have goose pimples and pains in my stomach.</p>
<p>I need no reminder of them and would go very far out of my way to avoid seeing them again.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s so horrible is that Jews are still not living in a settled world and in fact world sympathy generated by Hitler has been dissipated and even young Israeli&#8217;s are anti-war.</p>
<p>In way as a corollary to this subject, I just read Juan Williams, &#8220;Enough.&#8221;  It&#8217;s amazingly well written and I don&#8217;t say that lightly.  There are few books that are so well written, organized and edited that I don&#8217;t have something I can criticize.   It&#8217;s mostly a paean to Bill Cosby and his plain spoken criticism of the post civil rights movement&#8217;s black leadership.</p>
<p>Of course, I remember those days too and the suffering of the people who through slavery and segregation kept their dignity and never stopped working and hoping for a chance to prove they were equals to any other   race.   I had tears in my eyes as Williams recounts a bit of the history of the post civil war negroes in the south and the degradation of their suffering by their progeny who take their suffering and throw it back in their faces by &#8220;refusing to be like whitey&#8221; and instead throw their lives away.</p>
<p>Williams strives mightily to say it like he sees it, but he just can&#8217;t quite let go of the cant he&#8217;s lived with all his life.   There&#8217;s hope though, so I&#8217;m keeping my fingers crossed that he makes it across that wide divide.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>d_Brit,

I should have made it willing and able.  Without Syria, iran has no way to get weapons to Hezbollah.

As to the essay which you linked, Israel has many Arabs licing peacefully in Israel.  If the Palestinians had not chosen the path of violence I have no doubt that they would be living and prospering together.  We cannot ignore recent history.  Palestianians must prove that they can live in peace over a period of time and then they will get some of what they want.  They cannot throw a murderous temper tantrum when they don't get everything they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>d_Brit,</p>
<p>I should have made it willing and able.  Without Syria, iran has no way to get weapons to Hezbollah.</p>
<p>As to the essay which you linked, Israel has many Arabs licing peacefully in Israel.  If the Palestinians had not chosen the path of violence I have no doubt that they would be living and prospering together.  We cannot ignore recent history.  Palestianians must prove that they can live in peace over a period of time and then they will get some of what they want.  They cannot throw a murderous temper tantrum when they don&#8217;t get everything they want.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't get through the movie "Exodus" but have several times read the book.  Leon Uris was not a good writer, but he was a damned good story teller.

I recognize that there is an Arab point of view, although I think there tactics, rhetoric, dishonesty, and genocidal instincts in the last 60 years have destroyed any vestiges of validity I might otherwise have been inclined to accord their position.  As you noted, D-Brit, the deed is done, and there are two choices left for the Arabs -- live with it gracefully and get on with their lives, or try to destroy the State of Israel entirely, and water the ground with the blood of the Jews.  To the extent they've manifestly chosen the latter approach, I have no sympathy for their history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t get through the movie &#8220;Exodus&#8221; but have several times read the book.  Leon Uris was not a good writer, but he was a damned good story teller.</p>
<p>I recognize that there is an Arab point of view, although I think there tactics, rhetoric, dishonesty, and genocidal instincts in the last 60 years have destroyed any vestiges of validity I might otherwise have been inclined to accord their position.  As you noted, D-Brit, the deed is done, and there are two choices left for the Arabs &#8212; live with it gracefully and get on with their lives, or try to destroy the State of Israel entirely, and water the ground with the blood of the Jews.  To the extent they&#8217;ve manifestly chosen the latter approach, I have no sympathy for their history.</p>
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		<title>By: d_Brit</title>
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		<dc:creator>d_Brit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The good news is that only Syria seems to be willing to actively support Hezbollah so we know who must be taken out.Bill C&lt;/i&gt;

Probably an oversight on your part Bill but it is Iran who is the real power behind Hezbollah. Syria is primarily a conduit and forward staging groud for Iranian controlled Hezbollah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The good news is that only Syria seems to be willing to actively support Hezbollah so we know who must be taken out.Bill C</i></p>
<p>Probably an oversight on your part Bill but it is Iran who is the real power behind Hezbollah. Syria is primarily a conduit and forward staging groud for Iranian controlled Hezbollah.</p>
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