Comments on: Life in even the most Western of honor societies http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/09/21/life-in-even-the-most-western-of-honor-societies/ She escaped from the belly of the liberal beast Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:01:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/09/21/life-in-even-the-most-western-of-honor-societies/#comment-5099 Ymarsakar Sun, 24 Sep 2006 03:24:35 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=830#comment-5099 It's funny how something written on the internet isn't "libel" but defamation. Weird. It’s funny how something written on the internet isn’t “libel” but defamation. Weird.

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/09/21/life-in-even-the-most-western-of-honor-societies/#comment-5098 Ymarsakar Sun, 24 Sep 2006 03:23:51 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=830#comment-5098 Neo Neocon made the point, or one of her commenters did, that the guy in charge at France2 trusted his cameraman who brought him the footage. When it was exposed that everything was a fake, the boss instead of taking responsibility for his action, circled the wagons because he didn't want to feel any shame or recognize that his friend had betrayed him. So, no, they didn't know that it was false in the beginning. But they sure as heck knew about it when they kept producing, airing, and defending the film. Neo Neocon made the point, or one of her commenters did, that the guy in charge at France2 trusted his cameraman who brought him the footage. When it was exposed that everything was a fake, the boss instead of taking responsibility for his action, circled the wagons because he didn’t want to feel any shame or recognize that his friend had betrayed him.

So, no, they didn’t know that it was false in the beginning. But they sure as heck knew about it when they kept producing, airing, and defending the film.

]]> By: Richard Landes http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/09/21/life-in-even-the-most-western-of-honor-societies/#comment-5097 Richard Landes Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:38:58 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=830#comment-5097 this is an excellent and thoughtful post, and i am one who a) believes that until we understand the dynamics of honor-shame culture (and their alllergy to a free press) we can neither understand the arab world nor islamism, and b) that the french are the most honor-shame of all democratic cultures. but a couple of corrections to your post: a) the French station (France2) did not knowingly air false footage. even if the correspondent Charles Enderlin knew, he didn't tell his bosses (who were ashen-faced when they saw the rushes of the Palestinian cameraman who shot the "death" of al Durah; b) the law explicitly says that if the comments were not made maliciously and they are accurate then even tho they are "defamation" no charges can be brought against the person uttering or writing them, hence the procureur advised dropping the charges "even tho what Karsenty had said was defamation" because he made a good case for his conclusions; and c) they were not posted at blogs but in what i call the "proto-blogosphere," the websites on the interneet where people, especially jews, went after the outbreak of the intifada to communicate the israeli point of view to whomever would listen, since the MSM -- blinded by Pallywood -- blocked them out almost entirely. this is an excellent and thoughtful post, and i am one who a) believes that until we understand the dynamics of honor-shame culture (and their alllergy to a free press) we can neither understand the arab world nor islamism, and b) that the french are the most honor-shame of all democratic cultures.

but a couple of corrections to your post:

a) the French station (France2) did not knowingly air false footage. even if the correspondent Charles Enderlin knew, he didn’t tell his bosses (who were ashen-faced when they saw the rushes of the Palestinian cameraman who shot the “death” of al Durah;

b) the law explicitly says that if the comments were not made maliciously and they are accurate then even tho they are “defamation” no charges can be brought against the person uttering or writing them, hence the procureur advised dropping the charges “even tho what Karsenty had said was defamation” because he made a good case for his conclusions; and

c) they were not posted at blogs but in what i call the “proto-blogosphere,” the websites on the interneet where people, especially jews, went after the outbreak of the intifada to communicate the israeli point of view to whomever would listen, since the MSM — blinded by Pallywood — blocked them out almost entirely.

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