Great moments in Democratic rhetoric

A few Harry Truman quotations:

A President cannot always be popular.

A president either is constantly on top of events or, if he hesitates, events will soon be on top of him. I never felt that I could let up for a moment.

If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”

The buck stops here!

A few William Jefferson Clinton quotations:

Now, I will answer all those things on the merits, but first I want to talk about the context in which this arises.

I’m being asked this on the FOX network. ABC just had a right- wing conservative run in their little “Pathway to 9/11,” falsely claiming it was based on the 9/11 Commission report, with three things asserted against me directly contradicted by the 9/11 Commission report.

And I think it’s very interesting that all the conservative Republicans, who now say I didn’t do enough, claimed that I was too obsessed with bin Laden. All of President Bush’s neo-cons thought I was too obsessed with bin Laden. They had no meetings on bin Laden for nine months after I left office. All the right-wingers who now say I didn’t do enough said I did too much — same people.

Or how about this one:

The CIA and the FBI refused to certify that bin Laden was responsible while I was there. They refused to certify. So that meant I would’ve had to send a few hundred Special Forces in helicopters and refuel at night.

Even the 9/11 Commission didn’t do that. Now, the 9/11 Commission was a political document, too.

And then there’s this one:

CLINTON: But at least I tried. That’s the difference in me and some, including all the right-wingers who are attacking me now. They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try. They did not try. I tried.

So I tried and failed. When I failed, I left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy and the best guy in the country, Dick Clarke, who got demoted.

So you did Fox’s bidding on this show. You did your nice little conservative hit job on me. What I want to know is …

WALLACE: Well, wait a minute, sir.

CLINTON: No, wait. No, no …

WALLACE: I want to ask a question. You don’t think that’s a legitimate question?

CLINTON: It was a perfectly legitimate question, but I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked this question of.

Wow! It’s like watching Darwinian regression in action.

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  • Earl

    Let’s all ignore this pathetic excuse for a man….it’s the best punishment he could get.

  • Ymarsakar

    Clinton doesn’t read as well as he orates, you know.

    Dick Clarke

    Clinton should throw Clarke under a bus, seriously, it isn’t doing Clinton any good to stick up for the guy.

  • Ymarsakar

    Speaking of Rhetoric, this comment by subsunk appeals to me.

    Comment below written by: Subsunk

    ADM Rickover once said “Fear is a great motivator”.

    When Saddam killed the families of Iraqis, he created resentment towards his regime, but he was too ruthless and powerful to be opposed by the populace because — they might end up dead.

    When America decides it has had enough of Islamic death threats and killings, and decides to truly bomb both the innocent and the guilty back to the Stone Age (because we ain’t seen that kind of bombing since WWII, you know), fear of US arms, and fear alone, will be sufficient to keep Muslim terrorists at bay for the forseeable future. They put one American in the hospital, we put ten of them in the morgue. They bring a knife, we bring an M60.

    All the talking heads bullshit about how the military is gearing up for the wrong war will feed lots of mushrooms. A Cold War sized military would be more than ample to take on the Islamic world. They are horrible fighters, preferring assassination and backstabbing to actual fire discipline and aggressive and determined closing with and destruction of your enemy. Give America the Cold War sized military under Ronald Reagan, add the current technology in bombs, equipment, and innovations, and then get out of our way.

    Even in the massively anemic state our current force structure exists, we are still the meanest junkyard dog around. Go ahead and kick us. We’ll take your damn leg off, but we won’t rip your throat out because we are too civilized. And there’s the root of the problem.

    I am a student of history. When we truly decide to fight a war for existence a la the Russian Front from 1941-1945, in which no quarter is asked or given, there will be nothing but a smoking crater where the Middle Eastern Islamic states are today. There won’t be any discussions about torture because there won’t be any prisoners. And America would be mostly untouched. If we seem to be losing it is because we truly have not yet begun to fight.

    Driving us to do so will bring absolute disaster and wholesale extermination to Islam. Don’t push us there. For we ain’t going to die on your command without ensuring that you — go first.

    Great post, Froggy.


    Posted by: Subsunk | Sep 27, 2006 6:37:19 AM

  • judyrose

    I just read an article on Yahoo News that says Rudy Giuliani defended Clinton on his counterterrorism efforts, saying recent criticism is wrong. The article quotes Giuliani as saying, “Every American president I’ve known would have given his life to prevent an attack like that.” He included both Clinton and Bush, and further said “They did the best they could with the information they had at the time.”

    This strikes me as a brilliant move on Giuliani’s part. He says he’s very interested in considering running for president, but won’t decide until after the November elections. How much does he widen his support by defending both Clinton and Bush at the same time? Of course he has a lot to overcome with Republicans for his liberal social views, and getting the nomination isn’t going to be easy, if he can do it at all. But if the Dems nominate Hillary and a big enough bunch of people who would normally vote for a Democrat just can’t bring themselves to pull the lever for her, then maybe Giuliani could pick up enough of the Democratic vote to pull it off. I’m just flapping my jaws here (or fingers) but I’d like to hear what other people think.

  • Zhombre

    I’d switch my voter reg from I to R to vote for Giuliani in a primary and I’d vote for him for President in, well, a New York minute. I think he’d be an effective and active executive, and strong on defense and security issues; I’d trust him on fiscal policy too and I believe he’d appoint justices of the caliber of Roberts and Alito. That some (but not all) of his social views may be more liberal than mine, in balance, I can live with, especially if the alternative is a Clinton restoration to the White House, or a Gore or Kerry retread.

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  • Danny Lemieux

    It’s only a matter of time before Clinton and Carter team up as a traveling vaudeville show, excoriating America and the American people to our enemies for not having been sufficiently grateful for their passing. Sheesh! What losers.

  • Zhombre

    No, they’ll never team up. They’d never agree on who gets top billing.

  • Ymarsakar

    Clinton and Bush teamed up, after all.

  • Ymarsakar

    Btw, I think psychologically, Clinton went off at Wallace because Wallace kind of looked like Dan Rather and all the other media mofos that went on about Clinton this, Clinton that. This tied in with the righties, must have broken through Clinton’s reserve.

  • Zhombre

    Danny: an afterthought. Al Gore is already doing theatre and has been for a long time. Even before his Earth in Peril Power Point adapted movie he played to the audiences with the one man anti-Bush show, HE LIED TO US! HE PLAYED UPON OUR FEARS!

    Like Sean Connery said in The Untouchables, there’s nothing like vaudeville.

  • chris

    Great moments in George W. Bush rhetoric:

    “We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease.” —Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

    “Tribal sovereignty means that; it’s sovereign. I mean, you’re a — you’ve been given sovereignty, and you’re viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities.” —Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004

    “Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.” —speaking underneath a “Mission Accomplished” banner aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, May 1, 2003

    This is a great one from 2003:
    “Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.”
    March 17, 2003

    It’s a good thing we found all those WMD’s, isn’t it? I mean, we wouldn’t want to have an administration that would lie to use, would we?

    I have several hundred more quotes and lies from our beloved government, but I’m afraid this comments box wouldn’t hold them all.

  • erp

    Of all the invective spewed on Bush by the left, the one about WMD is the silliest. All the world including the Clintonistas were convinced Saddam indeed had these weapons. Nary a word was said refuting that CW came from any corner with which I am aware . . . and I read a lot.

    Remember the ubiquitous drawings of 80 feet deep tunnels housing palaces of undreamed of opulence, scary weapons, unbeatable bombs, etc. It was a lot of hooey as was the nonsense we were sold by the media of the Soviet Union being our match in ordnance or man power.

    Saddam may not have had a cache of deadly weapons, but in no way did Bush deliberately lie about them. He was as convinced as the rest of us that what our intelligence agencies, the U.N. and the media said about them was true. Of course, at the time, Bush didn’t know that there were traitors within our own intel agencies who wanted nothing more than to destroy him and if took more of the rest of us dying, they could live with that too.

  • jg

    Hey, chris!
    You wanted to debate? : ‘Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.”’

    HOW much damage would one suicide bomber do at your workplace/home/school or city, Chris? One? How about a dozen? Nothing “ultimate” about it, man! Just you and your family..
    Yeah, you don’t live in Iraq. Let those poor animals kill themselves off, right? who cares? Yeah, Chris. But Amerians are giving them hope. A chance to live without a madman, rape rooms, children dying, a fight for a real future. We.

    Your ‘beloved government.’

    No– not YOU. You’re hiding BEHIND BUSH NOW. You couldn’t protect anyone. You’re full of the usual lies: Have heard them all for years. And they’re all lies. Where’s the truth? IN Baghdad, Kabul, the Phillipines, anywhere where American soldiers–YOUR soldiers–are putting their lives on the line so Chris won’t face the ultimate weapon of destruction.

    So go back to your hole, Chrissie, pull it back in around you, and pray that America keeps the Middle East under control. Or else the BIG ultimate weapon is coming to a theatre near you. You’ll need that Soviet-era bomb shelter to greet it.

    Have a good day.

  • Danny Lemieux

    Wow, jg. Could you have been more sensitive? Count me among the impressed. And, Chrissie, you need a rest – your time has gone, your illusions have withered, and your Leftie diatribes are so, so yesterday. The world has moved on and this fight is now between the wolves and the guard dogs, now, not the sheep. So, step out of the way and graze in the fields of your illusions to your heart’s content.

  • Ymarsakar

    chris and pete (over at neo neocon) share something. It’s called ‘absence of a rational argument’.

    Not finding WMDs is what happens when you give the UN 6+ months to screw with your war plan and leak them to the enemy.

    One follows the other in the time stream. After all, it is not as if America will get more success by spending more time and effort at the UN.