Malthus among Muslims

To switch from Malthus to Hobbes, if you want to to be depressed by communities in which life for the average citizen is nasty, short and brutish, read this rundown of late twentieth century death tolls in Muslim nations (sometimes with help from the holier than thou French and Russians).  Sadly, rather than resulting in Muslim nations seeking ways to avoid these grim statistics, it seems to have inured the more radical amongst them to the horrors of violent death.

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  • Ymarsakar

    French have a pretty high moral high ground, eh? Maybe we should emulate them, and get our own moral high ground, what say you?

  • jg

    An very important set of statistics which can serve to bolster our attacks on America’s enemies, especially in the MSM.

    This summation is worth more consideration, but may I draw attention to one obvious geographical point? That being: NOne of the Americas are listed among its victim states. This part of the globe, especially South America, is free of the plague of Islamism. It’s something most of us may take for granted.

    Why are the desperate, often strife-riven countries of central and South America not infested with Islam’s evil?
    A question worth answering.

    How much attention to we in the US pay to our lesser American neighbors, except for the very real problem of illegals? Perhaps we should pay more.

    It may well be that it will take all the allies we can find in the future to best the fast rising tide of Islamic fanaticism.

  • erp

    There are Moslems in Central and South America. We were recently in Trinidad/Tobago and the newspapers there are rife with contention between the immigrant Hindus and Moslems who are running things. From what we could see, the indigenous population is passive.

  • Ymarsakar

    South America? Cause communism has roots there. We all know fascism and communism don’t like each other. It is like lawful evil baatezu vs chaotic evil ta’narri, both argue to the death about which “evil” is the real evil or some such.

    Since communism is more or less atheistic, they are just as ruthless, but they won’t suicide bomb to get into a non-existent heaven. So that is one of the glaring differences between Islam and South America. Communism makes everyone that lives under it, miserable. Islamic Jihad makes everyone it can’t reach, miserable.

  • jg

    Erp, thanks for your comment. Mine was discussion arising from the vital report Bookworm had offered.

    Your last line is the good news. I’m sure there are immigrant populations in all the Americas. They can be sources of discontent(England). I’ve followed some of the Indian problems in Canada.

    Still, just perhaps, as we consider potential allies (and foes, such as Hugo Chavez), it’s worth noting that the Americas do not so far lend themselves to indigenous Islamic insurgence, which seems to be present globally. (Japan, Korea, and Australia may be free.) I’ve seen a website which lists potential ‘failed states’ who are prime targets for militancy.

    One might speculate that (as with Communism) this new 21c. conflict will be a struggle with/of the masses. Islam seems to have popular appeal from Africa to Indonesia, and parts of China and the old Soviet union.

    The so called ‘third world’ will be very much in play again. It’s a type of game we Americans know.

  • Ymarsakar

    This may be a type of war that Americans know, but the political leadership seems not to have gotten the memo yet.

  • erp

    jg, I find reports issued by the media or other “experts” must be taken with a very large grain of salt. In other words, I don’t believe any statistics or polls or studies coming from what I believe are questionable sources like the liberal academy, leftwing foundations, or even those coming from within our own government because our agencies are manned mostly by those career bureaucrats whose politics lean left.

    To wit, the Plame fiasco which proves the CIA was actively working to overthrow the legally elected government of the U.S. That’s a lot more scary than any Islamic terrorist.

    In forums like this, I much prefer to read comments by those who have seen and heard things in their travels or encounters with others and are reporting on them first hand.

  • jg

    ERP: Bookworm is kind enough to provide a place for good people to gather. I like speculation. We American citizens (me) are mostly ignorant of the outside world. To try to understand events and ideas within our American traditional ideals lies behind my comments.

    Thus I welcome views, such as yours, “by those who have seen and heard things in their travels or encounters with others and are reporting on them first hand.” (I enjoy all your comments.)

    But Bookworm’s discussion is deeper than factual reporting. I enjoy hearing the opinions and thoughts of the concerned, educated minds,usually Americans, whom otherwise I would never encounter.
    We are all in this together. Bookworm’s hard work, superb essays, and the views of so many visitors, stimulate and enrich my own understanding. I am thankful.

  • Bookworm

    Oh, goodness, jg! You have me blushing. I do like to see my blog used as a forum for ideas. I don’t always agree with what’s said in my comment section (and that can apply to comments from both sides of the political aisle), but I do like the sense that people are reaching out with ideas. I especially like it when people take the time to get to the factual details. Often, there is a surprising amount of common ground when one clears away the accusations and looks at the evidence.

  • Ymarsakar

    Erp, did you see Michael Totten’s interview then with Insta? If you haven’t, you can find the link on my blog, early top left side.

    With Totten, I have to be careful not to get fooled by Totten’s biases. They are not bad, but they are there in a way, and he doesn’t talk about them in a meta-think sort of way. So whenever he gets on a subject, like the military and extremism or whatever, his interpretations are a little bit off phase with mine. While I dislike that, I try to ignore it in favor of his more substantial and informative pieces of knowledge and reporting.

    Totten, German base word Toet for death, hehe. What a weird name for an old style liberal of the newer generation.

    Glenn calls him “Taotten”, like potato tatters. Funny, in a sort of non-Southern accent way.

    While there may be a lot of common ground, Bookworm, as with Malkin with LGF vs Dean Esmay, that doesn’t mean that people are going to be reasonable about things. Since human psychology doesn’t depend upon evidence, it is very hard to modify people’s behavior based upon evidence shown to more than one person. It’s almost better, in a way, to change which evidence you show to a person, based upon how that person thinks. Since that’s not always possible, a lot of people remain unconvinced solely because the evidence cannot be presented even if it does exist.

  • erp

    I too enjoy this forum not only for BW’s insightful essays chosen from among the dozens of issues of any particular day, but the commenters, many of whom are no less insightful.

    After joining a blog like this, we get to know each other from our comments and points of view and I look forward to checking in several times a day — being retired has its blessings.

    I’m not as interested in links to other blogs (I already have quite a view on my reading list) as I am in the opinions and experiences of other the other visitors here.

  • Ymarsakar

    jg, I find reports issued by the media or other “experts” must be taken with a very large grain of salt.

    if that is your position, erp, then wouldn’t you be interested in reporters like Totten and Michael Yon’s comments about their travels and professional blogging?