A truly terrible idea
Bookworm on Oct 25 2006 at 7:10 pm | Filed under: Sex
Transgender men — that is, men who live their lives as women even though they haven’t had sex change operations — can now use the women’s restrooms in the New York subway:
The line for the girls’ room just got longer. Men who live as women can now legally use women’s rest rooms in New York’s transit system under an unprecedented deal revealed yesterday.
The Metropolitan Transportation Authority agreed to allow riders to use MTA rest rooms “consistent with their gender expression,” the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund announced yesterday.
The group filed a complaint against the MTA on behalf of a 70-year-old telephone repair technician who was arrested for using the women’s room at Grand Central Terminal.
The technician, who is assigned to the terminal by Verizon, was born Henry McGuinness but now goes by Helena Stone.
“I’m a 24-hour woman,” Stone declared proudly. “I just feel like a woman and I like to wear women’s clothes.”
The ruling, of course, leaves the bathroom door wide open for opportunistic perverts who dress as women solely to fulfill their warped “Peeping Tom” desires, and for actual cross-dressers who are feminine in their attire, but heterosexual in their desire. Indeed, some women have already figured that out:
“I would not like that,” said Gloria David, a retiree from Connecticut. “I have nothing against gay men or drag queens, but they can use the men’s room. I just don’t want to go to the bathroom next to a man.”
One rider feared predators might dress as women and lurk in the women’s room.
Interestingly, a Gen-X gal (or is it Gen-Y or Gen-Z by now?) is totally happy with gender self-identification:
But Rena Gantz, 23, a college student, shrugged off the settlement.
“It doesn’t bother me because it is a reality,” she said. “If they believe they are women, they should be treated as one.”
I’m deeply, deeply sorry for people with gender identification problems. I can’t imagine the misery of having one hormone wash control your external genitalia, and another hormone wash control your brain function. Nevertheless, opening the women’s restroom door to anyone with male equipment who comes dressed in a skirt is a disaster — and a huge Metro lawsuit — waiting to happen.
Hat tip: Drudge
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The Metropolitan Transportation Authority
Wouldn’t that be the same New York organization that…
So this is what unions meant by “a living wage for workers”.
Bad policy people. But then, that is to be expected, no ?
One solution is to make more gender neutral, family stall type bathrooms that serve only one individual or family unit at a time. This way women with men’s plumbing, men with women’s plumbing, hermaphrodites, cross gendered, or anyone who is unsure which restroom is right for them can be alone in full privacy without bothering anyone. You are so right. This stupid, pc solution is a lawsuit waiting to happen. It is a violation of MY right to privacy.
The world I thought I knew is quickly descending into stark, raving madness……
I agree with you, Bookworm. I think this is a bad policy, bad plan. It opens the door to so many potential problems.
Did the word ‘Rape’ enter anyones mind?
How would anyone know the “real” sex of someone in the rest room? Presumably they are attired as the sex on the door sign and then proceed to do their business behind the closed doors of the stall.
Of course, it’s madness to dumb deviancy down even more, but that’s a trend that won’t reverse itself until we have completely defeated the moonbats and that won’t be until the current crop have gone on to their reward.
This is rediculous. First of all, as I found out long ago, if you want to use a public restroom the best one to use is the womens, it’s always cleaner. I’ll call in “cleaning staff, coming in” then go in and do my business. Typically I’ll just wait until nobody is around to leave, that way I don’t freak anyone out. A few times women have complained when they hear that I’m standing up to pee, but usually they don’t even notice.
Just FYI, Mr. Bahl, with the manifest exception of the New York Metro System, your conduct in most jurisdictions would be illegal.
As for Lulu’s suggestion, it’s a good one but for the fact that it’s cost and space prohibitive. Women need more stalls, not fewer!
In Europe, there are unisex restrooms. Seems simple, 1)go into stall, 2)close door, 3)remove necessary clothing, and 4)do what needs to be done with whatever you’ve got!
I hate the European unisex style bathrooms. First of all, with apologies to guys who don’t contribute to the chaos, they’re usually filthy. Second, I don’t like to get half naked with a strange man (or many strange men) separated from me only by a flimsy, 3/4 height panel. I have large zones of privacy, and these European bathrooms fail to give me any comfort in those zones.
BW Another good reason not to go to Europe.
This is NOT an issue about UNIsex toilets–It’s about men dressed in women’s clothing going to a rest room originally constructed for women. I repeat this is not about UNIsex facilities. Now, is that clear. Again, we have a situation where a man–any man–wearing women’s clothing can now go into a rest room where women off ALL ages–read YOUNG girls–are using the toilet. This is not Europe where UNIsex facilities have been constructed for that purpose!
As to the cleanliness of toilet facilities, my wife has nothing positive to say about women’s public restrooms.
William,
Your wife is correct that women’s public restrooms are nothing to write home about. But if my husband is to be understood, they’re still better than the men’s! And you’re right that we were getting sidetracked. Your point is well made.
I think it depends upon whether you have people clean the toilets regularly. As a policy decision. More people that use a facility, requires a higher maintenance by proportion.
I don’t know the patterns for whether people in certain regions leaver cleaner restroom facilities, but that could also be a factor.
This just confirms once again that New York really is a European, rather than American, city. I can imagine a day far into the future when psychiatrists and psychologists look back on these days as woefully backward times during which society actively enabled gender-identity problems rather then providing support and counsel to help people develop positive, healthy sexual identities and feelings of self worth.
Hi, all.
Nice to know there are so many experts here!
Some facts you should know:
I am a transwoman.
If you tried to ascertain the contents of my crotch, it would be Police and Lawsuit City.
Clean restrooms are less important than safe ones.
Transgender women face potentially LETHAL consequences eavh and every time they are around other people. Like people foolish enough to think we’re men despite HARD, SCIENTIFIC, evidence that we are women, albeit hated and maligned ones. (Multiple PubMed references on request)
Butch women (Often heterosexual!!!) are routinely taunted in women’s restrooms. Trans rights benefits these NONTRANSGENDER, often NON Gay, women.
A hormonally withered, nonfunctional, raisin-like thing sandwiched between well-formed labia (what you get after 1 year on HRT) is a penis only in your mind…QED
A man much like some of you mowed me down in his car while I was fleeing a sexual assault. He drove away. At the hospital, I found that I pass for female while laid out on a gurney. I have NOT had “the surgery.” Google “Tyra Hunter” to find out what USUALLY happens…
Oh, yeah, at 1 year on HRT, we’re physiologically female. Not much man here!
Surgery is about $26,000. How many of you can hold it until you have that much cash to blow on urinating?
There are private stalls in women’s restrooms for a reason. I ain’t too happy with being in a stall with some of you, you know!.
100% of assaults involving trans women are initiated by nontrans women. That’s right, no transwomen have ever started a fight in the WC. When we go in, we’re there to pee, not fight or call the cops. Can you say the same?
Bladder injury from “holding it” is common among trans people of all genders. We don’t like running into people like you. The consequences can be devastating.
And last, How dare you judge who I am based on my anatomy! I am a person and a woman, not a body part. If you must, judge us for what we do, and not who you factlessly believe us to be.
And if you can’t do that, go tell the women in your lives that they are nothing but a “natural vagina” because you need nothing more to fully understand her as a woman. Oh, and see if you have any friends the next morning after trying this.
Oops..”…being in a stall with…” should read: being in the stall next to…”
If I were in a stall with you, I’d have a coronary on the spot…
I guess the above argument distills down to the fact that “transwomen” should go to men’s bathrooms because women attack them in the women’s bathrooms.
This isn’t exactly relevant to the subject of allowing men into women’s bathrooms.
The rest is hard to decipher because, well I just can’t figure out the gender subjects.
>This isn’t exactly relevant to the subject of allowing men into women’s bathrooms.
I agree. Read the original. And get a clue. We’re not men. Any more than you are.
Are you?
> The rest is hard to decipher because, well I just can’t figure out the gender subjects.
I can see why. have you been tested for an allergy to facts?
What you naively call “men” are actually women. Get the facts. Understand before you speak. The original article did not speak of men in the women’s room at all.
> I guess the above argument distills down to the fact that “transwomen” should go to men’s bathrooms because women attack them in the women’s bathrooms.
Perhaps I meant to say nontrans women should learn to be less assaultive and bigoted.
cheers, Lyssa
PS, in most jurisdictions, you would go to jail if you hassled me in the restroom…as I’m legally female. Think about that. No fraud involved. It’s the law…you know those long wordy things writted by people based on those other thingys called “facts.”
And the number one reason why transwomen should use the women’s restroom:
When we use the men’s room, the guys can’t pee. Really!
cheers,
Lyssa
Has anyone actually heard of a man in women’s clothing going into the women’s room _intent_ on doing harm, or actually doing harm?
I’d love to know…coz if I ever fnd one, my friends and I will take great pleasure in tearing him to pieces
Safe clean restrooms for all!
Lyssa:
It sounds as if you have a hell of a time, and I’m genuinely sorry about that. Nevertheless, the Metro ruling opens the door to all sorts of risks for women in Metro bathrooms. As you’ve had the misfortune to discover, there are many cruel, opportunistic people out there. Yours is a good point about your transitional sexuality, but the rule as described in the newspaper article would let any man in women’s clothes into a women’s restroom — a risk for all women, as well as for transwomen. There has to be a better way, which minimizes your risk, without increasing the risk for biological women. Brainstorming and creative thinking is the way to go here, not a broad, ill-thought out mandate.
Regarding your question about a woman assaulted in the women’s room, Lyssa, I had a friend who was raped in the women’s restroom. So her experience may have made me unduly sensitive to the risk. She also told me that, after it happened, the cops filled her in on assaults in bathrooms, which came out to a much higher number than I expected.
What you naively call “men” are actually women. Get the facts. Understand before you speak. The original article did not speak of men in the women’s room at all.
Men, are women, women are men. Yes, Yes, I got the 1984 message a long time ago.
The facts say that irregardless of what the “original article” says, men will use loopholes to go into women’s restrooms, of which the article speaks of. Loopholes, not men. But that is not really a fact I suppose, more like an analysis, which trumps facts all in all. After all, didn’t one person on this page use a similar loophole to get into the women’s restroom?
It’s the law…you know those long wordy things writted by people based on those other thingys called “facts.”
As you well know, and as any lawyer would know, laws are different depending upon where you are at. And sometimes, it even depends upon who you know and how much cash you have on yourself.
Laws are not based upon facts. Rulings should be based upon facts, laws as are written should be based upon equality of treatment and consistency in principle and punishment. Laws are then, conclusively, made up facts that one has to follow as if it was real, if one wishes to avoid punishment. A law exists because someone wrote it into existence, therefore if a law was based upon facts, it would be based upon the fact that someone wrote it into existence. Since that is circular and redundant, it is sufficient to say that laws are not based upon facts, laws just are facts. Fact, as defined as meaning true, in existence, observable in reality.
Bookworm,
OMG, I am truly sorry.
I can empathize somewhat. My former employer’s father told me that he had known I was trans “the moment he saw me [in guy drag].” he semibragged that he started a friendship with me because of this, and he “likes to F*** transsexuals”
He did this while cornering me in the women’s room. It was before the bar opened, so he thought nothing of doing this, and it was SOP. And threatening as hell.
I scarred my face badly getting away from this one. I want to pay for the surgery to fix it before SRS. Even if that makes you uncomfortable.
I didn’t disclose this at first because I felt it would be used against me.
> Nevertheless, the Metro ruling opens the door to all sorts of risks for women in Metro bathrooms.
Show me proof. Just one assault by a “man in a dress” will suffice.
So, what stops men from going into the women’s restroom? Absolutely nothing. Zip. Nada. There’s simply no need to dress as a female. It exposes you to unecessary risk, and you might not survive the trip to the restroom in the first place. Simpler for a man to waltz on in and attack…with or without a law
This is the stuff of bad movies (e.g. “Dressed to kill, ” etc.) I have been researching this for 22 years, and have turned up nothing. (If you find something, PLEASE let me know. I have a research interest in anti woman violence and it’s prevention)
Oh, Cops have LOADS of experience with transwomen. And not all of it is bad.
They’ll know a predator for what he is instantly. And so will you and I.
As women (trans or not), we’re enculturated to be super attuned to threats. A word from feminist practice is appropriate here: “There Is no Safe Space, only safe and unsafe people and actions.” You are attempting to pin a risk to women of all origins on just transwomen, and that is unfair and prejudiced.
For one thing, we are far more vulnerable in any situation than you will ever be. That is just a fact. Example: A transwoman’s chance of being murdered (lifetime) is 8.5%- or about 1 in 11. Not even twice as good as Russian Roulette…
What are your odds?
Do research. Learn the facts. Safety for others is safety for you, and vice versa. You cannot demand comfort at the expense of our safety. It’s just wrong.
There are women who attack women and men who do the same. Women rarely attack men, but routinely attack transwomen. Just get away from that silly idea that we’re men. Or that these laws let predatory men terrorize women freely in women-only spaces. They don’t need to put on makeup to do that- their male privilege makes it “OK” not a law designed to protect rights of a maginalized group of women. Trust me, if a “man” presenting as female is in the women’s room, he is expressing a female identity. And acting like a guy is simply not part of “his” intent.
After all has been said, judge us by out actions, and not just who we appear to me. I don’t care who you are, if you are acting threatening, I will deal with you as such. And if you are not, I will deal with you as such, too.
We ALL deserve safety.
>Brainstorming and creative thinking is the way to go here, not a broad, ill-thought out mandate.
Do you mean forcing trans women into the men’s room no matter what, or a law that increases our safety while FAILING to increase your chance of a nasty run in with a predator. Trust me, a guy is NOT going to wear female attire to attack you. Predators will attack you no matter what. They don’t need a dress…
So show me ONE confirmed incident of a “man dressed as female attacking.” Just one will do.
PS Rape survivorship rates among transwomen approach 100%. And they are often what the cops would call “aggravated rape” (e.g. stab wounds, etc) in a nontrans woman. In us, they would often laugh at us while we die. Google Tyra Hunter for an example of cops doing this…
Face it, as women we are ALL at risk. Everywhere. It’s a fact of life. And why we as women MUST understand male violence if we are to stay safe and enjoy full lives. I think that this is so much more “creative thinking” than simply saying “all biomales in female attire are potential attackers.” Besides, outside of bad movies, it’s simply untrue.
Please read the ORIGINAL news item. Men who use the restroom will still be prosecuted…They’re men, and just don’t belong there. Only women are protected by the law. That’s what the original phrasing meant by “allow people to use the restrooms based on their gender identity”
If a man tries to BS his way around it, he WILL get nailed. Our police here at the University have a _proven_ history of reliably telling the difference, as do most cops. they see a LOT of us
And the cops aren’t going to be too nice to him…They have wives and girfriends. Some ARE women…
I would be just as mortified of being called a man as ANY woman, and for the same reasons as she would.
> Lyssa, I had a friend who was raped in the women’s restroom. So her experience may have made me unduly sensitive to the risk.
Tell her (or yourself) that many of my kind would have been at his throat in a heartbeat. With so many threats to us as women out there, we are hypresensitive to it, too. Maybe even more so. After all, whatever you think of us we live our lives as the women we are. And that means every single danger of simply being a woman and then some…
Sorry for the long speech…I understand that this brings up strong feelings. But imagine being me for a heartbeat or two. Imagine that after being violently raped by men and beaten by men for showing myself as the woman I am, well imagine being called a “man” by other women and men. It’s simply heartbreaking beyond words…
Imagine failing a semester of school (with a 4.0 cum avg) because a shortsighted administrator forced me to use the men’s room. I had flashbacks of the rape, and it was horrifying in the extreme to be sitting next to men in a stall, wondering if This was the Day someone would try something. Or freak out and get violent. Transwomen have the same troubled issues with men that nontrans women do. We believe to our core that we are women. Consigning us to the men’s room is as heartless and cruel as would be assigning your survivor friend there. Learn before you do…please.
VERY well put…I stand corrected.
It’s the law…you know those long wordy things writted by people based on those other thingys called “facts.”
As you well know, and as any lawyer would know, laws are different depending upon where you are at. And sometimes, it even depends upon who you know and how much cash you have on yourself.
You said:
Laws are not based upon facts. Rulings should be based upon facts, laws as are written should be based upon equality of treatment and consistency in principle and punishment. Laws are then, conclusively, made up facts that one has to follow as if it was real, if one wishes to avoid punishment. A law exists because someone wrote it into existence, therefore if a law was based upon facts, it would be based upon the fact that someone wrote it into existence. Since that is circular and redundant, it is sufficient to say that laws are not based upon facts, laws just are facts. Fact, as defined as meaning true, in existence, observable in reality.
Men, are women, women are men. Yes, Yes, I got the 1984 message a long time ago.
Patently untrue. I never made any such claim. Just because you imagine me to be really a “man” does not make me one. The woman on the article was on hormones. She has had her brains irreversibly made female by the hormones. Get the facts.
We call the event “the point of no return” because after this point you are a woman in spirit. Completely. And you cannot re masculinize that brain again, EVER. This NEVER takes longer than six months. Get the facts. Do your own research. Make your opinion an educated one.
The facts say that regardless of what the “original article” says, men will use loopholes to go into women’s restrooms, of which the article speaks of. Loopholes, not men. But that is not really a fact I suppose, more like an analysis, which trumps facts all in all. After all, didn’t one person on this page use a similar loophole to get into the women’s restroom?
Men don’t need loopholes. they’ll just trot right in and attack. Where’s your proof that this will enbolden them…Facts please. Show me one man saying this let him enter a women’s room to attack. Just one.
didn’t one person on this page use a similar loophole to get into the women’s restroom?
Who is this person?!? Did she or he hurt someone while there? if not, how does this apply?
Hey, try and imagine my friend’s puzzled looks and how I felt when we were going into the women’s restroom and I stopped and said “I can’t go in.” They were really flustered. They said “But you’re a woman, why not?” while fully aware of my status. I had to explain that the administration thought as you did. They were angry and upset. They didn’t understand. And I felt like a fool.
Talk to us. Talk to the people who know us. Find out who we really are. Do the research. Get the facts. Then judge us if you are still able.
And with that, I take my leave. Whatever you decide to believe, I enjoyed and benefited this debate. You have my respect.
I hope you benefit too.
I didn’t call you a man, lyssa. I did not make comments here for the express purpose of hurting you or insulting you. If you take my concerns as being with men in women’s restrooms, then that is that pure and simple.
My opinion is that men don’t belong in the women’s rooms.
There is no reason to get hostile or defensive, because regardless of who you knew in your life, they have no bearing on who I am.
After all, I am not your enemy here. The only reason I would worry about men being in women’s restrooms, is because I am concerned with the safety of women. And not least of all because of Bookworm’s descriptions and feelings.
I did learn more about where you come from lyssa. As for your question, the person just wanted to use the women’s room because it was cleaner, he didn’t do so with the intent of harm. But all in all, the only people I am concerned about being or not being in women’s restrooms, are those who are a danger to the people in those rooms. If you are not a danger, then you are not a threat in my view.
I do not personally judge anyone until I have more or less a complete picture of that person.
Ymarsakar,
> I didn’t call you a man, lyssa. I did not make comments here for the express purpose of hurting you or insulting you. If you take my concerns as being with men in women’s restrooms, then that is that pure and simple.
Truth. But you may as well have. People who judge us so quickly often get us killed. Does every transwoman have to prove herself to you?
> nd not least of all because of Bookworm’s descriptions and feelings.
I guess my incident didn’t matter, Cuz I’m a “man”? Right?
> I did not make comments here for the express purpose of hurting you or insulting you.
I worry more about someone like you getting me killed while I’m in Port Authority…
>My opinion is that men don’t belong in the women’s rooms.
Of course not. No sane woman would ever argue that point. It’s not just unsafe- it’s CREEPY.
What you did do is call the woman in approximately the same (gendered) situation a man. In real life, you might call me a man. You might “read me” as transgender, and not knowing me, call the police. You pretty much made it clear that you can’t differentiate between a transwoman and a man in bad drag or a threatening man. The law does not allow for men in women’s rooms. Since they have a male identity, going to the women’s room is expressly forbidden. We have the same law here in Rhode Island. Oh, both the woman in the article and myself would go to jail for using the MEN’s room. And after TWO YEARS, what happened to the restroom crime rate?
It decreased!
Think about that. Bookworm’s copy of the article was completely twisted out of shape. “Men” occurs exactly zero times! Here, read the un-twisted original and remember: Do the research and Get The Facts…
Cheers
The ORIGINAL article appeared in the NY Times. Bookworm’s copy came from this…by whatever path. BTW, Bookworm’s version is at serious odds with the _AP stylebook for media professionals, editors, and writers_ No major news organization would put a story like that on the wire–It violates their standards. Even FOX news reports this way…
Here’s the URL:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE4DD1731F932A35750C0A9609C8B63
And here’s the cut and paste text…
Metro Briefing | New York: Manhattan: Transgender Worker Fights Arrests
Published: March 1, 2006
A phone repair worker who is in transition from male to female said yesterday that she had been arrested three times by transit police officers in the last six months for using the women’s restroom at Grand Central Terminal. The worker, Helena Stone, 70, said an officer called her ”a freak, a weirdo and the ugliest woman in the world” and warned her, ”If I ever see you in the women’s bathroom, I’m going to arrest you.” Tom Kelly, a spokesman for the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, said that the charges against Ms. Stone would be dropped and that the matter had been resolved. Her lawyer, Michael Silverman, said the city Commission on Human Rights says restrooms must be available to transgender people ”consistent with their gender identity.”
Enjoy your research…
One final note Ymarsakar,
Just because I make you uncomfortable doesn’t mean that I’ll hurt you or anyone else. And just becauuse you and Bookworm could get me killed doesn’t mean I’m offended.
Cheers, and signing off,
Alyssa
If you are worried about someone “getting you killed”, Lyssa, then start worrying about a real threat, like the islamofascists.
Truth. But you may as well have. People who judge us so quickly often get us killed. Does every transwoman have to prove herself to you?
I don’t turn my back on anyone that is a threat, to me or my own. It is nothing personal. I can’t save everyone on this crazy globe of a planet, but that doesn’t mean I should go supporting things, laws, and people just for the kick of it. If you think I judged you, it is not because of who you said you were, lyssa, but how you treated us. If you treat me with respect, I will show respect and difference in turn. If you keep repeating slightly insulting things like “all these experts” and “do your homework”, I am not exactly going to be your warmest individual to converse with. Asian strictures of politeness has rubbed off more than a little on me.
I don’t analyze people because I’m afraid they will hurt me, I analyze people because I am curious, almost too curious and talkative about curious subjects. The pragmatic concerns of life and death, while not side issues to me, were not my first reason to attempting to understand the psychology of people. I just wanted to know. Why did people do this, why did they act in this way, what shaped their actions as historical actors, and so forth. War and fighting, honor codes and discipline, these things best explained the human condition to me, so I gravitated towards them. And they have affected my personality, for good or ill in other’s eyes.
I guess my incident didn’t matter, Cuz I’m a “man”? Right?
Again, you’re looking for a fight that isn’t here. Your hostility is understandable, but it would be best utilized against your real enemies. Of which I am not one of. I refuse to talk about your personal life, not because it is irrelevant, but because I choose not to get into it. If you had not noticed, I’m a pretty private individual, and am very reserved about personal secrets and information in conversations with strangers. Some of that is part of what I learned concerning human nature and spycraft, but most of it has to do with just personal space. If you volunteer some information, I’m not going to use it against you, I am not going to use it at all, just to be safe. Your incident does matter, and as I said with Bookworm, it is not least of all because of her concerns. Meaning, it is also because of my concerns for all of humanity, all innocents. Whether they are 12-14 year old girls being held down by 4 boys on a bus, being groped while the bus driver drives on, or any other person deserving of protection. I am a true liberal, not a fake one, my concerns are not selective or arbitrary.
> If you are worried about someone “getting you killed”, Lyssa, then start worrying about a real threat, like the islamofascists.
This should make you feel better:
http://www.gender.org/remember
> don’t turn my back on anyone that is a threat, to me or my own. It is nothing personal.
Same here. Stop your fearmongering and get the facts. Your bias towards me and others like me is pretty self-evident. Transgender women like the one in the “article” are NOT A THREAT. So stop the hate. We are a threat only in your mind. Stop fantasizing and learn. Then hate us if you still can.
> I am not going to use it at all, just to be safe. Your incident does matter,
Thanks. No need to protect me. Just understand that your views get people like me hurt. This is a fact.
> Your hostility is understandable.
An interesting claim…
> or any other person deserving of protection
You mean like the woman in the article? Oh, I forgot…you still think I’m a man. And that she is, too. Silly fool.
> but that doesn’t mean I should go supporting things, laws, and people just for the kick of it. If you think I judged you,
Then I’m right. Tell me, do you think all laws that help us are a threat to you and yours? Get the facts. Right now, you have none. Just the fact that you think protecting me is “just for kicks” says everything, dear.
If this offends you, then I do apologize. That was not my goal. Consider the offensive language here. Consider how a non trans woman, as in what your mind refuses to grasp about us, would read that article if it were about her. That is what you are doing to us. Stop it. You are a bully. Stop calling us men.
Also, no credible newspaper would print it. The language is abusive. But it’s OK to parade it in front of me and people who might not know any better.
When you call us men like many of you did repeatedly here, you insult us. You hurt us. And most of all, you do not tell the truth.
Being a man or a woman isn’t just a matter of having the right crotch. Don’t judge us by your ideas based on my birth gender. Learn!
You do humanity a grave disservice with what you post here. Learn the facts. Find out who we are. If you don’t have the time to, then how come you have the time to be abusive here? Who knows? You might find that we have more in common that you’d expect…after all, why am I on this website?
In the end, I don’t care what you think of me. I would like it to be informed, nothing more.
And I don’t believe that can happen here. Goodbye.