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		<title>By: Webloggin - Blog Archive &#187; What will Obama change?</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/12/12/obama-the-21st-century-tabula-rasa/comment-page-1/#comment-8311</link>
		<dc:creator>Webloggin - Blog Archive &#187; What will Obama change?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] belief that he</description>
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		<title>By: What will Obama change? &#171; Bookworm Room</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2006/12/12/obama-the-21st-century-tabula-rasa/comment-page-1/#comment-8312</link>
		<dc:creator>What will Obama change? &#171; Bookworm Room</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my belief that he&#8217;s a master of meaningless platitudes, a demogogue who says nothing but who, like Chance the Gardener, enables people to attach their own meanings to his banal [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jg</title>
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		<dc:creator>jg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woodrow Wilson likewise should not be ignored for his leadership in time of war.  I&#039;ve always admired him (I have a copy of his life of Washington).
I just don&#039;t know enough about him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woodrow Wilson likewise should not be ignored for his leadership in time of war.  I&#8217;ve always admired him (I have a copy of his life of Washington).<br />
I just don&#8217;t know enough about him.</p>
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		<title>By: Lulu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lulu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Helen, fruit salad is  tasty as long as people remember the American motto, &quot;y pluribus unum&quot;, or &quot;from many, one,&quot; and live by it. The motto is clearly not, &quot;y pluribus plurum&quot; (my guess as to what the Latin would be). Our founding fathers wanted immigrants to forge an American identity. We all have   cultural customs from wherever our ancestors or relatives hail from, but our country was made strong by the fact that wherever we came from we could become American. I prefer the melting pot. Immigrants choose to come to America, and therefore should embrace the American identity and value system they chose to come to, even while they continue to enjoy food, customs, etc from the old world. In other words, if fruit salad brings shariah to America, I&#039;d infinitely prefer that it get melted down and vanish into the American value system rather than have shariah as just one more salad ingredient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Helen, fruit salad is  tasty as long as people remember the American motto, &#8220;y pluribus unum&#8221;, or &#8220;from many, one,&#8221; and live by it. The motto is clearly not, &#8220;y pluribus plurum&#8221; (my guess as to what the Latin would be). Our founding fathers wanted immigrants to forge an American identity. We all have   cultural customs from wherever our ancestors or relatives hail from, but our country was made strong by the fact that wherever we came from we could become American. I prefer the melting pot. Immigrants choose to come to America, and therefore should embrace the American identity and value system they chose to come to, even while they continue to enjoy food, customs, etc from the old world. In other words, if fruit salad brings shariah to America, I&#8217;d infinitely prefer that it get melted down and vanish into the American value system rather than have shariah as just one more salad ingredient.</p>
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		<title>By: jg</title>
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		<dc:creator>jg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>helenl, you may be apt in your point, but not in applying it to George Washington.

In fact, most of the historians I have recently read (Ellis, McCullough are two) say Washington was
was essential. He was the Republic.  Why?

He was first.  He set the most important precedents for his office.  There were some, maybe many, who would have acceded to a form of monarchial leadership for America.  Washington led us otherwise.

People of his time, most people (the 13 states were a variegated bunch, more so than we today) trusted Washington.  Revisionists today may ask why? but the fact remains.  Easily his most important asset was his character.  That&#039;s unimaginably different from today&#039;s politics.  His was unimpeachable.

John Adams gloomed that men formed a Washington deity; it was almost that.  We needed such.  The country was a wobbly entity during the formative years after the Peace Treaty of 1783.  Most of Europe was waiting for us to fail.  Washington&#039;s mere presence calmed a new country. One historian I consulted said that the Constutional Convention would possibly have failed without his presence.  He would make the first Presidential tour and find crowds eager to march around him in every state.  He was the symbol of American promise.

As far as my own thinking about PResidents, many Americans of Washington&#039;s time accepted the idea of Providence.  Washington himself professed the term.  When one looks at the twists and turns in our history, one might choose to join their thinking, especially as it applies to Presidents.  From Lincoln, to FDR, to Reagan, to GW Bush
, America has possessed a leader at critical times who answered the big question.  Americans may quibble about the specific policies, thinking, or actions of each of the leaders.  But, as was true with George Washington, each leader kept us afloat in a time when it mattered.

I think that&#039;s a mark we must set for Mr. Obama, as well as other pretenders. During the years after Kennedy, I feel American has suffered as a country when we have chosen weak, foolish leaders. Who will give us strength and character in our present time of crisis?
 That&#039;s the big question.

(BTW, John Ferling&#039;s &#039;A Leap in the Dark,&#039; chronicles the vicissitudes of the period.  Might the colonies have sought
separate peace agreements; I think Maryland tried.  Might England have kept the South through her late war strategy, allowing only theother colonies their freedom? What about the forces who wanted a French/English West beyond the Appalachians, penning the struggling &#039;free colonies&#039; along the Eastern seaboard, sooner or later to be snatched back by G. Britain.  Fascinating glimpses of what could have been in Mr. Ferling&#039;s study.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>helenl, you may be apt in your point, but not in applying it to George Washington.</p>
<p>In fact, most of the historians I have recently read (Ellis, McCullough are two) say Washington was<br />
was essential. He was the Republic.  Why?</p>
<p>He was first.  He set the most important precedents for his office.  There were some, maybe many, who would have acceded to a form of monarchial leadership for America.  Washington led us otherwise.</p>
<p>People of his time, most people (the 13 states were a variegated bunch, more so than we today) trusted Washington.  Revisionists today may ask why? but the fact remains.  Easily his most important asset was his character.  That&#8217;s unimaginably different from today&#8217;s politics.  His was unimpeachable.</p>
<p>John Adams gloomed that men formed a Washington deity; it was almost that.  We needed such.  The country was a wobbly entity during the formative years after the Peace Treaty of 1783.  Most of Europe was waiting for us to fail.  Washington&#8217;s mere presence calmed a new country. One historian I consulted said that the Constutional Convention would possibly have failed without his presence.  He would make the first Presidential tour and find crowds eager to march around him in every state.  He was the symbol of American promise.</p>
<p>As far as my own thinking about PResidents, many Americans of Washington&#8217;s time accepted the idea of Providence.  Washington himself professed the term.  When one looks at the twists and turns in our history, one might choose to join their thinking, especially as it applies to Presidents.  From Lincoln, to FDR, to Reagan, to GW Bush<br />
, America has possessed a leader at critical times who answered the big question.  Americans may quibble about the specific policies, thinking, or actions of each of the leaders.  But, as was true with George Washington, each leader kept us afloat in a time when it mattered.</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a mark we must set for Mr. Obama, as well as other pretenders. During the years after Kennedy, I feel American has suffered as a country when we have chosen weak, foolish leaders. Who will give us strength and character in our present time of crisis?<br />
 That&#8217;s the big question.</p>
<p>(BTW, John Ferling&#8217;s &#8216;A Leap in the Dark,&#8217; chronicles the vicissitudes of the period.  Might the colonies have sought<br />
separate peace agreements; I think Maryland tried.  Might England have kept the South through her late war strategy, allowing only theother colonies their freedom? What about the forces who wanted a French/English West beyond the Appalachians, penning the struggling &#8216;free colonies&#8217; along the Eastern seaboard, sooner or later to be snatched back by G. Britain.  Fascinating glimpses of what could have been in Mr. Ferling&#8217;s study.)</p>
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		<title>By: helenl</title>
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		<dc:creator>helenl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol is decribing the melting pot; I prefer fruit salad.</description>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on the ancestry business, Bookworm.  One of my sisters suffers from what Florence King dubbed &quot;Tombstone Twitch&quot; and she got it from other relatives, but I subscribe to Robert Heinlein&#039;s view:  anyone who is certain of his ancestry more than three generations back is taking the short end of a sucker bet.  Doesn&#039;t matter what the kennel papers say; you are what you are and who your great-grandparents were has no bearing on you other than how they treated their children, and how those children treated their children (your parents).  Given that the records at the county courthouse don&#039;t contribute any of that kind of knowledge, I don&#039;t see the importance of knowing that your family came to these shores in the 1600s or the 1950s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on the ancestry business, Bookworm.  One of my sisters suffers from what Florence King dubbed &#8220;Tombstone Twitch&#8221; and she got it from other relatives, but I subscribe to Robert Heinlein&#8217;s view:  anyone who is certain of his ancestry more than three generations back is taking the short end of a sucker bet.  Doesn&#8217;t matter what the kennel papers say; you are what you are and who your great-grandparents were has no bearing on you other than how they treated their children, and how those children treated their children (your parents).  Given that the records at the county courthouse don&#8217;t contribute any of that kind of knowledge, I don&#8217;t see the importance of knowing that your family came to these shores in the 1600s or the 1950s.</p>
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		<title>By: ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have quite a perceptive outlook on the shame culture that predominates black neighborhoods, Book.

Such foolishishness and arrogance is nothing new, there have been many cultures and people that demonstrated such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have quite a perceptive outlook on the shame culture that predominates black neighborhoods, Book.</p>
<p>Such foolishishness and arrogance is nothing new, there have been many cultures and people that demonstrated such.</p>
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		<title>By: Zhombre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhombre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me Obama --- especially on the Time magazine cover --- look like one of those CG images, so popular a few years ago, that is meticulously morphed to show a &quot;multicultural&quot; America in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me Obama &#8212; especially on the Time magazine cover &#8212; look like one of those CG images, so popular a few years ago, that is meticulously morphed to show a &#8220;multicultural&#8221; America in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: helenl</title>
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		<dc:creator>helenl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you&#039;re &quot;confused about the </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re &#8220;confused about the</p>
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