Comments on: Cause, effect, cause, effect, cause, effect http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/28/cause-effect-cause-effect-cause-effect/ She escaped from the belly of the liberal beast Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:57:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: peter fichera http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/28/cause-effect-cause-effect-cause-effect/#comment-10275 peter fichera Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:09:51 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1275#comment-10275 By the way, that's why the formal wording of the sentance used to be to "hang by the neck until you are dead, dead, dead!" making sure that the sheriff left you there until their was no doubt that you were a gonner--old-style hanging tasking a bit of time to accomplish the goal. Modern fashion snaps the neck, and is much less inhumane (I can't quite bring myself to call and deliberate deprivation of anyone's existence--no matter how well justified--as 'humane'). I've been doing a bit of web-search on the subject--this page will be included in the cites--and I've noticed a strange phenomenon: even academics whose conclusions support the pro DP/anti-GC position seem to think that the 'gun lobby' (AKA NRA) [i]doesn't[/i] want guns taken from the criminal element or the too-mentally-impaired-to-know-which-end-goes-BOOM! Also assuming the 'need' to keep people under 18 from having guns--yet I've never seen a statistical study that even [i]tried[/i] to deal with that question; only one that said that more LA gang shootings were being commitied by minors since a State Supreme Court ruling seemed to make it harder to prosecute them as adults.... To me, 'rational gun control' means, brace yourself as well as you can, get a good sight-picture, hold your breath, slow your heart, squeeze. pgf By the way, that’s why the formal wording of the sentance used to be to “hang by the neck until you are dead, dead, dead!” making sure that the sheriff left you there until their was no doubt that you were a gonner–old-style hanging tasking a bit of time to accomplish the goal. Modern fashion snaps the neck, and is much less inhumane (I can’t quite bring myself to call and deliberate deprivation of anyone’s existence–no matter how well justified–as ‘humane’). I’ve been doing a bit of web-search on the subject–this page will be included in the cites–and I’ve noticed a strange phenomenon: even academics whose conclusions support the pro DP/anti-GC position seem to think that the ‘gun lobby’ (AKA NRA) [i]doesn’t[/i] want guns taken from the criminal element or the too-mentally-impaired-to-know-which-end-goes-BOOM!

Also assuming the ‘need’ to keep people under 18 from having guns–yet I’ve never seen a statistical study that even [i]tried[/i] to deal with that question; only one that said that more LA gang shootings were being commitied by minors since a State Supreme Court ruling seemed to make it harder to prosecute them as adults….

To me, ‘rational gun control’ means, brace yourself as well as you can, get a good sight-picture, hold your breath, slow your heart, squeeze.

pgf

]]> By: Zhombre http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/28/cause-effect-cause-effect-cause-effect/#comment-10264 Zhombre Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:18:20 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1275#comment-10264 Yes, they can't defend their homes against crime, and on a larger scale can't defend their culture against the intrusions of radical Islamism. Yes, they can’t defend their homes against crime, and on a larger scale can’t defend their culture against the intrusions of radical Islamism.

]]> By: Jose http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/28/cause-effect-cause-effect-cause-effect/#comment-10263 Jose Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:40:44 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1275#comment-10263 I lived in the UK from 1985 to 1993. At that time private gun ownership was more common, although highly regulated. Even then crime was much worse than what I was used to in the US. My car was stolen, and my home burglarized while I was residing in rural Suffolk. While there, I personally knew more victims of personal violence than I have before or since. Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never been the victim of such crimes here in the US. I believe living in rural areas and small towns where firearms are common is a significant factor. My observation was that the typical middleclass Englishman was neither equipped, nor philosophically receptive to the use of force to defend his home. The socialized environment has reduced any thought of self-reliance to an alien concept. I lived in the UK from 1985 to 1993. At that time private gun ownership was more common, although highly regulated.

Even then crime was much worse than what I was used to in the US. My car was stolen, and my home burglarized while I was residing in rural Suffolk. While there, I personally knew more victims of personal violence than I have before or since.

Maybe I’ve been lucky, but I’ve never been the victim of such crimes here in the US. I believe living in rural areas and small towns where firearms are common is a significant factor.

My observation was that the typical middleclass Englishman was neither equipped, nor philosophically receptive to the use of force to defend his home. The socialized environment has reduced any thought of self-reliance to an alien concept.

]]> By: ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/28/cause-effect-cause-effect-cause-effect/#comment-10265 ymarsakar Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:57:06 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1275#comment-10265 Last time I checked, a lot of areas traced their crime to about 90% due to repeat offenders. If you can get rid of the repeat offenders, your crime would go down. Last time I checked, a lot of areas traced their crime to about 90% due to repeat offenders.

If you can get rid of the repeat offenders, your crime would go down.

]]> By: Zhombre http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/28/cause-effect-cause-effect-cause-effect/#comment-10266 Zhombre Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:54:48 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1275#comment-10266 Definitely. Those individuals executed for capital crimes have a zero recidivism rate. Definitely. Those individuals executed for capital crimes have a zero recidivism rate.

]]> By: Danny Lemieux http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/28/cause-effect-cause-effect-cause-effect/#comment-10267 Danny Lemieux Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:51:55 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1275#comment-10267 I suspect, however, that capital punishment certainly deters the one being hanged. I suspect, however, that capital punishment certainly deters the one being hanged.

]]> By: ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/28/cause-effect-cause-effect-cause-effect/#comment-10269 ymarsakar Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:48:46 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1275#comment-10269 Punishment should not have at its goal, to deter criminals. Just as fighting in a war should not be about detering the enemy, it should be about killing the enemy, defeating the enemy, and making the enemy give up. Deterence is for those that have not committed a crime and for those who are thinking about committing a crime. Punishment, however, should deal with eliminating criminals, by one way or another. Punishment should not have at its goal, to deter criminals. Just as fighting in a war should not be about detering the enemy, it should be about killing the enemy, defeating the enemy, and making the enemy give up.

Deterence is for those that have not committed a crime and for those who are thinking about committing a crime. Punishment, however, should deal with eliminating criminals, by one way or another.

]]> By: ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/28/cause-effect-cause-effect-cause-effect/#comment-10268 ymarsakar Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:47:10 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1275#comment-10268 Death penalty cases cannot be accurately modeled unless you are using the Saddam DP where he hangs a short time after sentencing, without an appeal. The California 25 year DP+life imprisonment thing skews the data too much to be of use. Death penalty cases cannot be accurately modeled unless you are using the Saddam DP where he hangs a short time after sentencing, without an appeal. The California 25 year DP+life imprisonment thing skews the data too much to be of use.

]]> By: Zhombre http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/28/cause-effect-cause-effect-cause-effect/#comment-10271 Zhombre Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:24:43 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1275#comment-10271 We toss people in jail for rape, burglary, fraud and numerous other crimes, but given that people continue to commit such crimes, I suppose there is really no deterrent effect in imprisonment. We toss people in jail for rape, burglary, fraud and numerous other crimes, but given that people continue to commit such crimes, I suppose there is really no deterrent effect in imprisonment.

]]> By: JJ http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/28/cause-effect-cause-effect-cause-effect/#comment-10270 JJ Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:19:24 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1275#comment-10270 There's no correlation between capital crimes and capital punishment, either, Helen - which is where the problem is. Hard to say capital punishment doesn't deter: we've never had genuine capital puinishment in this country. There’s no correlation between capital crimes and capital punishment, either, Helen - which is where the problem is. Hard to say capital punishment doesn’t deter: we’ve never had genuine capital puinishment in this country.

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