Comments on: Covert anti-military operatives. http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/29/covert-anti-military-operatives/ She escaped from the belly of the liberal beast Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:48:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Bill Flint http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/29/covert-anti-military-operatives/#comment-10295 Bill Flint Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:49:30 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1280#comment-10295 turn 20 into 40 ? Check it OUT! turn 20 into 40 ? Check it OUT!

]]> By: swampacreage http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/29/covert-anti-military-operatives/#comment-10296 swampacreage Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:37:02 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1280#comment-10296 As, Agent 86, Maxwell Smart, reminds age 99, from Control Headquarters, "AH - HA -,the - Old - FAKE - that - you - care - for - the - country - but - REALLY - sign - up - too - gather - ammo -(no pun intended)- for - my - book - and - guest - appearances - on - talk - shows - TRICK.". Machiavellian!! As, Agent 86, Maxwell Smart, reminds age 99, from Control Headquarters, “AH - HA -,the - Old - FAKE - that - you - care - for - the - country - but - REALLY - sign - up - too - gather - ammo -(no pun intended)- for - my - book - and - guest - appearances - on - talk - shows - TRICK.”. Machiavellian!!

]]> By: ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/29/covert-anti-military-operatives/#comment-10297 ymarsakar Tue, 30 Jan 2007 05:16:10 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1280#comment-10297 Duty and honor are not priorities for some people, I see. Glad to oblige, Book. Duty and honor are not priorities for some people, I see.

Glad to oblige, Book.

]]> By: BigAL http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/29/covert-anti-military-operatives/#comment-10298 BigAL Tue, 30 Jan 2007 04:52:11 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1280#comment-10298 Book, I disagree with someone joining the military for the sole purpose or with any intent of being an anti-war activist or to gain anti-war attention. I would not, however, want to bunch all members of the military who refuse to go to Iraq into one group. If a person comes to believe, AFTER becoming a member of the military, that the war they are being asked to fight is illegal or contrary to their beliefs, they may choose to accept the consequences of desertion/refusing to obey an order. This is possible in any war, any time, any military. The only way to stop this from happening is to increase the level of punishment for deserting or disobeying orders. You have to make the consequnces of such a decision really really bad..and you have to make these consequences clear to any person BEFORE they sign up. So you can scare people into going to war, or you can try to make better decisions about where and why you go to war. If you have good reasons for going to war, you will have less of these kinds of problems the way I see it. And I'm sure this is really not a big problem. That's why, out of all the topics you could be discussing about the war, you're choosing to discuss this really small problem of deserters who are obviously ALL clever (and determined) anti-war protesters and not just young, scared, confused, kids-- of whom many can't even legally drink a beer. :) Book,

I disagree with someone joining the military for the sole purpose or with any intent of being an anti-war activist or to gain anti-war attention. I would not, however, want to bunch all members of the military who refuse to go to Iraq into one group. If a person comes to believe, AFTER becoming a member of the military, that the war they are being asked to fight is illegal or contrary to their beliefs, they may choose to accept the consequences of desertion/refusing to obey an order. This is possible in any war, any time, any military.

The only way to stop this from happening is to increase the level of punishment for deserting or disobeying orders.
You have to make the consequnces of such a decision really really bad..and you have to make these consequences clear to any person BEFORE they sign up.

So you can scare people into going to war, or you can try to make better decisions about where and why you go to war.
If you have good reasons for going to war, you will have less of these kinds of problems the way I see it.

And I’m sure this is really not a big problem. That’s why, out of all the topics you could be discussing about the war, you’re choosing to discuss this really small problem of deserters who are obviously ALL clever (and determined) anti-war protesters and not just young, scared, confused, kids– of whom many can’t even legally drink a beer.
:)

]]> By: Bookworm http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/29/covert-anti-military-operatives/#comment-10299 Bookworm Tue, 30 Jan 2007 04:36:50 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1280#comment-10299 Re 2: You're absolutely right, Y. I'd put in a line about these alternate jobs, but it was so muddled I deleted it. You made just the point I was thinking of, but couldn't articulate. Re 2: You’re absolutely right, Y. I’d put in a line about these alternate jobs, but it was so muddled I deleted it. You made just the point I was thinking of, but couldn’t articulate.

]]> By: ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/29/covert-anti-military-operatives/#comment-10301 ymarsakar Tue, 30 Jan 2007 04:24:39 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1280#comment-10301 Btw, I remember COs being given a chance at non-combat roles or chaplan roles, so that they didn't have to kill. A lot of people took up the military's offer, because their innate patriotism would not allow them to give up their country if some accomodation could be made for their pacifist beliefs. Btw, I remember COs being given a chance at non-combat roles or chaplan roles, so that they didn’t have to kill. A lot of people took up the military’s offer, because their innate patriotism would not allow them to give up their country if some accomodation could be made for their pacifist beliefs.

]]> By: ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/01/29/covert-anti-military-operatives/#comment-10300 ymarsakar Tue, 30 Jan 2007 04:23:22 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1280#comment-10300 The reason why spycraft was a skill the Soviets excelled in is because soldiers do their job via doing their duty and honoring their committments. Spies do their job by betraying their oaths and turning on the people that have trusted them. That is why the Soviets excelled in spycraft, because the Soviets (Stalin purging Trotsky) were excellent at betrayal. And so is the Left. The reason why spycraft was a skill the Soviets excelled in is because soldiers do their job via doing their duty and honoring their committments. Spies do their job by betraying their oaths and turning on the people that have trusted them. That is why the Soviets excelled in spycraft, because the Soviets (Stalin purging Trotsky) were excellent at betrayal. And so is the Left.

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