Comments on: The dog that didn’t bark in the night…. http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/08/22/dog-that-didnt-bark/ She escaped from the belly of the liberal beast Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:27:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Webloggin - Blog Archive » The News About the News From Iraq http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/08/22/dog-that-didnt-bark/#comment-14086 Webloggin - Blog Archive » The News About the News From Iraq Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:45:35 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1701#comment-14086 [...] I asked readers more knowledgeable than I to comment about two New York Times articles that (a) had military personnel criticizing the Surge or (b) had military personnel criticizing military leadership. After having read those two posts, [...] [...] I asked readers more knowledgeable than I to comment about two New York Times articles that (a) had military personnel criticizing the Surge or (b) had military personnel criticizing military leadership. After having read those two posts, [...]

]]> By: The news about the news from Iraq « Bookworm Room http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/08/22/dog-that-didnt-bark/#comment-14087 The news about the news from Iraq « Bookworm Room Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:06:27 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1701#comment-14087 [...] I asked readers more knowledgeable than I to comment about two New York Times articles that (a) had military personnel criticizing the Surge or (b) had military personnel criticizing military leadership. After having read those two posts, [...] [...] I asked readers more knowledgeable than I to comment about two New York Times articles that (a) had military personnel criticizing the Surge or (b) had military personnel criticizing military leadership. After having read those two posts, [...]

]]> By: The dog is barking « Bookworm Room http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/08/22/dog-that-didnt-bark/#comment-14077 The dog is barking « Bookworm Room Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:31:29 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1701#comment-14077 [...] dog is barking As you may recall, a couple of days ago I asked why there had been no comment whatsoever in the conservative blogosphere about a New York Times op-ed piece in which seven active duty soldiers criticized the Iraq War. In [...] [...] dog is barking As you may recall, a couple of days ago I asked why there had been no comment whatsoever in the conservative blogosphere about a New York Times op-ed piece in which seven active duty soldiers criticized the Iraq War. In [...]

]]> By: ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/08/22/dog-that-didnt-bark/#comment-14078 ymarsakar Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:52:47 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1701#comment-14078 Baghdad has a Shia, an Iranian, and a Sadr problem. Baghdad is a sensitive location, that is harder to deal with due to Bush already having given Iraqis local autonomy. Currently the surge is targeted against Sunnis in Al Anbar and near provinces. The Shia question, due to their incredible percentage of the population and how Iran manipulates Iraq through agents in Shia locales, will have to be dealt with eventually. Leave it too soon, and bad things will occur. Baghdad has a Shia, an Iranian, and a Sadr problem. Baghdad is a sensitive location, that is harder to deal with due to Bush already having given Iraqis local autonomy.

Currently the surge is targeted against Sunnis in Al Anbar and near provinces. The Shia question, due to their incredible percentage of the population and how Iran manipulates Iraq through agents in Shia locales, will have to be dealt with eventually. Leave it too soon, and bad things will occur.

]]> By: Oldflyer http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/08/22/dog-that-didnt-bark/#comment-14079 Oldflyer Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:44:08 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1701#comment-14079 But, as I said, what evidence do we have that they are presenting either facts or their own opinions? If you choose to accept what you read in the New York Times, Associated Press stories, The New Republic, et al at face value, then feel free to do so. I will remain skeptical. But, as I said, what evidence do we have that they are presenting either facts or their own opinions?

If you choose to accept what you read in the New York Times, Associated Press stories, The New Republic, et al at face value, then feel free to do so.

I will remain skeptical.

]]> By: freetime http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/08/22/dog-that-didnt-bark/#comment-14080 freetime Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:30:52 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1701#comment-14080 It's easy enough, I think, to see how these NCO's could be both right and wrong. Right in that they are reporting their own experiences (albeit filtered through their own biases and background) and wrong in that those experiences may not be scalable to a larger context or even effectively understood as regards that larger context. Their opinions seem to be fairly well organized and written and they have a better grasp of the facts as they have described them than I but I don't think those facts necessarily lead to the conclusions stated. There is no reason to take them to task as they're just giving their opinion, which is as valid as mine. It’s easy enough, I think, to see how these NCO’s could be both right and wrong. Right in that they are reporting their own experiences (albeit filtered through their own biases and background) and wrong in that those experiences may not be scalable to a larger context or even effectively understood as regards that larger context. Their opinions seem to be fairly well organized and written and they have a better grasp of the facts as they have described them than I but I don’t think those facts necessarily lead to the conclusions stated. There is no reason to take them to task as they’re just giving their opinion, which is as valid as mine.

]]> By: Oldflyer http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/08/22/dog-that-didnt-bark/#comment-14089 Oldflyer Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:04:39 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1701#comment-14089 What intrigues me most is that the essay written by the six NCOs reads more like an academic paper than something put together by six paratroopers, who by necessity,view the Iraqi scene from a very localized point of view. Look at these statements: (sic) ". . . an assesment arrived at through a flawed American-centered framework..." or ". . .important not to assess security from an American-centered perspective." Come on now. Sounds like something from a junior year International Relations classe Color me cynical, but I would really like to know a bit more about these guys. Until then I reserve the right to be suspicious that they were provided with this material--to which they attached their names to give it "street cred". What intrigues me most is that the essay written by the six NCOs reads more like an academic paper than something put together by six paratroopers, who by necessity,view the Iraqi scene from a very localized point of view. Look at these statements: (sic) “. . . an assesment arrived at through a flawed American-centered framework…” or “. . .important not to assess security from an American-centered perspective.” Come on now. Sounds like something from a junior year International Relations classe

Color me cynical, but I would really like to know a bit more about these guys. Until then I reserve the right to be suspicious that they were provided with this material–to which they attached their names to give it “street cred”.

]]> By: Webloggin - Blog Archive » The Dog That Didn’t Bark In The Night…. http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/08/22/dog-that-didnt-bark/#comment-14081 Webloggin - Blog Archive » The Dog That Didn’t Bark In The Night…. Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:04:25 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1701#comment-14081 [...] [Discuss this article with Bookworm over at Bookworm Room…] Share Article New York Times, Iraq, Kurds, conservative, Mudville Gazette, Anbar    Sphere: Related Content | Trackback URL [...] [...] [Discuss this article with Bookworm over at Bookworm Room…] Share Article New York Times, Iraq, Kurds, conservative, Mudville Gazette, Anbar    Sphere: Related Content | Trackback URL [...]

]]> By: Bill's Bites http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/08/22/dog-that-didnt-bark/#comment-14082 Bill's Bites Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:47:46 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1701#comment-14082 <strong>2007.08.23 Politics and National Defense Roundup</strong> View from the TunnelGreyhawk (H/T: Bookworm) This NY Times Op/Ed from a group of 82d Airborne NCOs is well written, thought provoking, and worthy of more than a quick read. While I disagree with many of their conclusions, the facts they present in supp... 2007.08.23 Politics and National Defense Roundup

View from the TunnelGreyhawk (H/T: Bookworm) This NY Times Op/Ed from a group of 82d Airborne NCOs is well written, thought provoking, and worthy of more than a quick read. While I disagree with many of their conclusions, the facts they present in supp…

]]> By: Bill Faith http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/08/22/dog-that-didnt-bark/#comment-14083 Bill Faith Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:08:56 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1701#comment-14083 Thanks for the link but all my blogging consisted of was linking to two pieces at Blackfive , including the one you linked above. I'd feel more comfortable if you'd link to the other one (<a href="http://www.blackfive.net/main/2007/08/coin-on-the-war.html" rel="nofollow">an excellent essay by Grim Beorn</a>) and just give me a hat tip. Thanks for the link but all my blogging consisted of was linking to two pieces at Blackfive , including the one you linked above. I’d feel more comfortable if you’d link to the other one (an excellent essay by Grim Beorn) and just give me a hat tip.

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