Comments on: History as politics http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/history-as-politics/ She escaped from the belly of the liberal beast Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:09:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Jose http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/history-as-politics/#comment-14546 Jose Thu, 06 Sep 2007 05:58:51 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1770#comment-14546 Danny, thanks for directions to the Anasazi info. It was new to me. Danny, thanks for directions to the Anasazi info. It was new to me.

]]> By: Danny Lemieux http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/history-as-politics/#comment-14547 Danny Lemieux Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:12:35 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1770#comment-14547 The point, of course, being that Book's central points holds - American Indians were a very diverse lot - some good, some bad, some atrocious. They were hardly doe-eyed hippies living in Eden, however. The point, of course, being that Book’s central points holds - American Indians were a very diverse lot - some good, some bad, some atrocious. They were hardly doe-eyed hippies living in Eden, however.

]]> By: Danny Lemieux http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/history-as-politics/#comment-14548 Danny Lemieux Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:10:53 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1770#comment-14548 Actually, Jose, a lot of these atrocities happened north of the border as well: Google "Anasazi cannibalism" or visit this site: regarding the Iroquois: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0014-1801(198023)27%3A4%3C309%3AICFNF%3E2.0.CO%3B2-S Actually, Jose, a lot of these atrocities happened north of the border as well: Google “Anasazi cannibalism” or visit this site: regarding the Iroquois:
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0014-1801(198023)27%3A4%3C309%3AICFNF%3E2.0.CO%3B2-S

]]> By: Patrick O'Hannigan http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/history-as-politics/#comment-14549 Patrick O'Hannigan Wed, 05 Sep 2007 10:32:50 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1770#comment-14549 Elmer Kelton's western-themed novels are pretty good historical primers as well-- his characters come across as human but not sentimentalized. Moreover, he writes well about people of all colors and races in the 19th-century American West. Elmer Kelton’s western-themed novels are pretty good historical primers as well– his characters come across as human but not sentimentalized. Moreover, he writes well about people of all colors and races in the 19th-century American West.

]]> By: Jose http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/history-as-politics/#comment-14550 Jose Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:32:15 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1770#comment-14550 I was invited to watch Into The West while visiting a friend. I found it unbearable - nothing but PC stereotypes and Hollywood cliches, packed in so tight each situation got only a brief superficial treatment. I completely endorse your view of Native Americans as Stone Aged people with the common failings of humanity. I am sick to death of the noble savage living in harmony with nature while practicing spiritual mysticism beyond the comprehension of the debased white man. These are the people who set range fires to herd animals to slaughter and stampeded them over cliffs. It was better than going hungry. Their cousins to the south were cutting each others hearts out, and sacrificing children to the gods in the Andes. I was invited to watch Into The West while visiting a friend. I found it unbearable - nothing but PC stereotypes and Hollywood cliches, packed in so tight each situation got only a brief superficial treatment.

I completely endorse your view of Native Americans as Stone Aged people with the common failings of humanity. I am sick to death of the noble savage living in harmony with nature while practicing spiritual mysticism beyond the comprehension of the debased white man.

These are the people who set range fires to herd animals to slaughter and stampeded them over cliffs. It was better than going hungry. Their cousins to the south were cutting each others hearts out, and sacrificing children to the gods in the Andes.

]]> By: DJB Rizalist http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/history-as-politics/#comment-14551 DJB Rizalist Wed, 05 Sep 2007 03:26:39 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1770#comment-14551 This is to do with Indigenous Peoples and their Creation Myth as told by the supreme court <a href="http://philippinecommentary.blogspot.com/2007/09/laughable-textbook-errors-in-supreme.html" rel="nofollow">Laughable Textbook Errors in Crucial Supreme Court Decisions</a> This is to do with Indigenous Peoples and their Creation Myth
as told by the supreme court
Laughable Textbook Errors in Crucial Supreme Court Decisions

]]> By: Bookworm http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/history-as-politics/#comment-14552 Bookworm Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:40:28 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1770#comment-14552 That's a wonderful recommendation. Thanks, Lulu. We've also got a copy of Johnny Tremaine in the house but, so far, no one is touching it. Sigh.... That’s a wonderful recommendation. Thanks, Lulu. We’ve also got a copy of Johnny Tremaine in the house but, so far, no one is touching it. Sigh….

]]> By: Lulu http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/history-as-politics/#comment-14553 Lulu Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:07:46 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1770#comment-14553 If he wants a show to teach history to the kids, check out this version of Laura Ingalls Wilder's "Little House" memoirs. My kids were fascinated by this sensitive, but not preachy, depiction of pioneer life and their uneasy encounters with the local Indians who resented the influx of farmers and pioneers into their lands. It also showed how hard life was then, how unspoiled the kids were, and how appreciative they were for what they had. http://www.ultimatedisney.com/littlehouseontheprairie-pressrelease.html If he wants a show to teach history to the kids, check out this version of Laura Ingalls Wilder’s “Little House” memoirs. My kids were fascinated by this sensitive, but not preachy, depiction of pioneer life and their uneasy encounters with the local Indians who resented the influx of farmers and pioneers into their lands. It also showed how hard life was then, how unspoiled the kids were, and how appreciative they were for what they had.

http://www.ultimatedisney.com/littlehouseontheprairie-pressrelease.html

]]> By: ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/history-as-politics/#comment-14554 ymarsakar Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:15:27 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1770#comment-14554 If Mr. Bookworm watched the pilot of Firefly and he eventually stopped watching the show about Ameri Indians, then perhaps he was put off by the constant shootouts present in those times. Firefly's pilot was essentialy a story about underdogs. Underdogs doing what it takes to survive in a mean mean world. Perhaps Mr. Bookworm found his NYTimes sensibilities offended by such crass actions, eh? If Mr. Bookworm watched the pilot of Firefly and he eventually stopped watching the show about Ameri Indians, then perhaps he was put off by the constant shootouts present in those times. Firefly’s pilot was essentialy a story about underdogs. Underdogs doing what it takes to survive in a mean mean world. Perhaps Mr. Bookworm found his NYTimes sensibilities offended by such crass actions, eh?

]]> By: ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/history-as-politics/#comment-14555 ymarsakar Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:19:16 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1770#comment-14555 As a quick recap, Eric Flint researched Andrew Jackson in the War of 1812. He compared the militia behavior of Georgia and such when facing Ameri Indian tribes. Andrew Jackson had loyal indigenous Ameri Indians allied to him. The Georgia militia burned the farms of Jackson's allies and stole their livestock, when the warriors were off fighting with Jackson. This is a good example between professional and regular military forces and... militia style forces, which Eric Flint provided a very military atmosphere for in contrast to his more civilian 1632 offering. Sam Houston is also favored in the story. 1812 Rivers of War provides an interesting meld between fiction and historical accuracy. It leaves you guessing as to what was changed and what was true. It provides you the superior analysis capabilities inherent with telling stories as if the people in them were still alive and cognizant with historical knowledge and facts. In the end, Eric Flint wanted to tell a story about the Trail Tears not occuring as it did. In order to do so, he had to go back before Andrew Jackson's Presidency to change some factors. As a quick recap, Eric Flint researched Andrew Jackson in the War of 1812. He compared the militia behavior of Georgia and such when facing Ameri Indian tribes. Andrew Jackson had loyal indigenous Ameri Indians allied to him. The Georgia militia burned the farms of Jackson’s allies and stole their livestock, when the warriors were off fighting with Jackson. This is a good example between professional and regular military forces and… militia style forces, which Eric Flint provided a very military atmosphere for in contrast to his more civilian 1632 offering.

Sam Houston is also favored in the story. 1812 Rivers of War provides an interesting meld between fiction and historical accuracy. It leaves you guessing as to what was changed and what was true. It provides you the superior analysis capabilities inherent with telling stories as if the people in them were still alive and cognizant with historical knowledge and facts.

In the end, Eric Flint wanted to tell a story about the Trail Tears not occuring as it did. In order to do so, he had to go back before Andrew Jackson’s Presidency to change some factors.

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