Comments on: The Israel lobby http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/the-israel-lobby/ She escaped from the belly of the liberal beast Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:57:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Tex http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/the-israel-lobby/#comment-14563 Tex Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:15:09 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1772#comment-14563 If you would read the columns of CIA officers like Michael Scheuer, Philip Giraldi, Ray McGovern, or Bill Christison, listen to Scott Horton's interivews, or download and read Walt & Mearsheimer's essay from the kennedy school of government website you would know that neocons are effectively American's who work as Israeli operatives. In fact, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, and Bryen have all been suspected of being Israelis spies & many had lost their security clearnace only to recover it when they gained a political appointment. Larry Franklin was convicted of Spying for Israel and two leading AIPAC members are awaiting trial. All this nonsense about Islamo-facsism, a global caliphate, a clash of civilizations is just emotionally charged propaganda intended to conflate Israel's interests with America's. http://www.antiwar.com/orig/giraldi.php?articleid=11586 If you would read the columns of CIA officers like Michael Scheuer, Philip Giraldi, Ray McGovern, or Bill Christison, listen to Scott Horton’s interivews, or download and read Walt & Mearsheimer’s essay from the kennedy school of government website you would know that neocons are effectively American’s who work as Israeli operatives. In fact, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, and Bryen have all been suspected of being Israelis spies & many had lost their security clearnace only to recover it when they gained a political appointment. Larry Franklin was convicted of Spying for Israel and two leading AIPAC members are awaiting trial.

All this nonsense about Islamo-facsism, a global caliphate, a clash of civilizations is just emotionally charged propaganda intended to conflate Israel’s interests with America’s.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/giraldi.php?articleid=11586

]]> By: ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/the-israel-lobby/#comment-14564 ymarsakar Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:19:29 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1772#comment-14564 God, thanks. God, thanks.

]]> By: PeaceThroughJustice http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/the-israel-lobby/#comment-14565 PeaceThroughJustice Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:53:38 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1772#comment-14565 It took you two comments to get to the "antisemitism" argument. That's disappointing, since America really does need to discuss this issue. Perhaps somewhere else. Adios It took you two comments to get to the “antisemitism” argument.

That’s disappointing, since America really does need to discuss this issue. Perhaps somewhere else. Adios

]]> By: Bookworm http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/the-israel-lobby/#comment-14566 Bookworm Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:31:19 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1772#comment-14566 I mean that politicians are always polite towards those who have political influence. When is the last time you heard an American politician insult unions, the Saudis, pharmaceuticals, trial lawyers, or any other group? Oh, maybe it was Cynthia McKinney or her Dad talking about "J-E-W-S." I guess the cabal didn't do its work well enough.... I mean that politicians are always polite towards those who have political influence. When is the last time you heard an American politician insult unions, the Saudis, pharmaceuticals, trial lawyers, or any other group? Oh, maybe it was Cynthia McKinney or her Dad talking about “J-E-W-S.” I guess the cabal didn’t do its work well enough….

]]> By: PeaceThroughJustice http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/the-israel-lobby/#comment-14567 PeaceThroughJustice Wed, 05 Sep 2007 05:20:24 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1772#comment-14567 What do you mean, "treat carefully"? What do you mean, “treat carefully”?

]]> By: Bookworm http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/the-israel-lobby/#comment-14562 Bookworm Wed, 05 Sep 2007 04:43:40 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1772#comment-14562 Peace, I think perhaps you need to reread this post, since you're operating on the assumption that it denies the existence of an Israel lobby. It doesn't. It acknowledges, just as it acknowledges the existence of an Arab lobby, or a pharmaceutical lobby, or a union lobby, or an AARP lobby, or whatever other special interest group you can name. It's point is that, while politicians treat carefully those groups that lobby them, both current and historical evidence put the lie to the claim that some powerful Jewish cabal controls America's policy so that it is in thrall to Israel and antithetical to America's actual needs. Go on. Read the article. It's a good thing. Peace, I think perhaps you need to reread this post, since you’re operating on the assumption that it denies the existence of an Israel lobby. It doesn’t. It acknowledges, just as it acknowledges the existence of an Arab lobby, or a pharmaceutical lobby, or a union lobby, or an AARP lobby, or whatever other special interest group you can name. It’s point is that, while politicians treat carefully those groups that lobby them, both current and historical evidence put the lie to the claim that some powerful Jewish cabal controls America’s policy so that it is in thrall to Israel and antithetical to America’s actual needs. Go on. Read the article. It’s a good thing.

]]> By: PeaceThroughJustice http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/the-israel-lobby/#comment-14569 PeaceThroughJustice Wed, 05 Sep 2007 03:15:11 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1772#comment-14569 When the four top Republican candidates for the presidency appear in Israel to pledge their support, and one of them -- Rudy Giuliani -- actually runs a funding ad in the Jerusalem Post, then I think we can say that there IS an Israel lobby. When the four top Republican candidates for the presidency appear in Israel to pledge their support, and one of them — Rudy Giuliani — actually runs a funding ad in the Jerusalem Post, then I think we can say that there IS an Israel lobby.

]]> By: PeaceThroughJustice http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/04/the-israel-lobby/#comment-14568 PeaceThroughJustice Wed, 05 Sep 2007 03:09:25 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1772#comment-14568 It's a little hard to pick just two examples, but -- When Howard Dean is forced to apologize for saying that he "favors an even-handed approach to the Israeli/Palestinian problem"; and when Barak Obama is called on the carpet for mentioning that it is the Palestinians who are the ones suffering the most from the occupation, not the occupiers, then I think we can say that there IS an Israel lobby. It’s a little hard to pick just two examples, but –

When Howard Dean is forced to apologize for saying that he “favors an even-handed approach to the Israeli/Palestinian problem”; and when Barak Obama is called on the carpet for mentioning that it is the Palestinians who are the ones suffering the most from the occupation, not the occupiers, then I think we can say that there IS an Israel lobby.

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