Comments on: The feeding fenzy that won’t happen **BUMPED** http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/07/the-feeding-fenzy-that-wont-happen/ She escaped from the belly of the liberal beast Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:44:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Some citizen ID cards are more equal than others « Bookworm Room http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/07/the-feeding-fenzy-that-wont-happen/#comment-14651 Some citizen ID cards are more equal than others « Bookworm Room Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:48:25 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1789#comment-14651 [...] have focused solely on immigrants as the recipients.  (I haven’t objected to that fact.  In an earlier post I did about Ammiano’s lame-brained proposal, I said I thought it was a wonderful thing for illegal aliens to storm government halls to identify [...] [...] have focused solely on immigrants as the recipients.  (I haven’t objected to that fact.  In an earlier post I did about Ammiano’s lame-brained proposal, I said I thought it was a wonderful thing for illegal aliens to storm government halls to identify [...]

]]> By: zhombre http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/07/the-feeding-fenzy-that-wont-happen/#comment-14641 zhombre Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:18:03 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1789#comment-14641 What's wrong with ruling NYC by force? Well, you might hurt somebody's feelings! Perhaps, in Helen's world, it would have been better had Mayor Giuliani suggested the sleaze merchants and petty criminals mend their ways and offered an array of taxpayer-funded ameliorative social programs to remedy the ills of New York. What’s wrong with ruling NYC by force? Well, you might hurt somebody’s feelings! Perhaps, in Helen’s world, it would have been better had Mayor Giuliani suggested the sleaze merchants and petty criminals mend their ways and offered an array of taxpayer-funded ameliorative social programs to remedy the ills of New York.

]]> By: Ellie http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/07/the-feeding-fenzy-that-wont-happen/#comment-14642 Ellie Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:22:59 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1789#comment-14642 I think Rudy is mostly right on resident illegals. Most will have citizen children, most are law abiding and a benefit to society. Close the borders first and then we can discuss putting resident aliens on a path to citizenship. As for ruling NYC by force, what's wrong with that? Isn't it better than the polite chaos that preceded him (Dinkins)? We're not voing for Miss Congeniality here, folks. I think Rudy is mostly right on resident illegals. Most will have citizen children, most are law abiding and a benefit to society. Close the borders first and then we can discuss putting resident aliens on a path to citizenship.

As for ruling NYC by force, what’s wrong with that? Isn’t it better than the polite chaos that preceded him (Dinkins)? We’re not voing for Miss Congeniality here, folks.

]]> By: ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/07/the-feeding-fenzy-that-wont-happen/#comment-14643 ymarsakar Sun, 09 Sep 2007 02:10:24 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1789#comment-14643 <B>A man who “can’t live with himself,” if he isn’t in a certain place on a certain day of the year is not stable enough to be president.</b> That would exclude pretty much the majority of veterans from previous wars that go to the graves of their friends at a certain regular time, or meeting together in memorial at a certain time each year. Stability in your use of the word, means being a machine. And machine cannot be President. <B>Not only that, Rudy Giuliani ruled New York by force, not with his brain</b> You hear that Book, a reason to believe that Rudy's potential concerning illegal immigration crime and Democrat illegal immigrant voter fraud may be taken care of despite the early signs. A man who “can’t live with himself,” if he isn’t in a certain place on a certain day of the year is not stable enough to be president.

That would exclude pretty much the majority of veterans from previous wars that go to the graves of their friends at a certain regular time, or meeting together in memorial at a certain time each year.

Stability in your use of the word, means being a machine. And machine cannot be President.

Not only that, Rudy Giuliani ruled New York by force, not with his brain

You hear that Book, a reason to believe that Rudy’s potential concerning illegal immigration crime and Democrat illegal immigrant voter fraud may be taken care of despite the early signs.

]]> By: helenl http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/07/the-feeding-fenzy-that-wont-happen/#comment-14644 helenl Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:11:42 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1789#comment-14644 oops Missing from paragraph two: "especially after" you know who. oops

Missing from paragraph two: “especially after” you know who.

]]> By: helenl http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/07/the-feeding-fenzy-that-wont-happen/#comment-14645 helenl Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:09:58 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1789#comment-14645 In the same article that Bookworm quotes, Giuliani also said, ""I was there when it [the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center] happened, and I've been there every year since then. If I didn't, it would be extremely unusual. As a personal matter, I wouldn't be able to live with myself." A man who "can't live with himself," if he isn't in a certain place on a certain day of the year is not stable enough to be president. "Extremely unusual" is what the president must come to expect. Not only that, Rudy Giuliani ruled New York by force, not with his brain: Our nation deserves better, especially after. As you'd expect, I can't stand the man, but despite that, I think he probably knows that illegal immigration isn't criminal. And yes, Bookworm is right, an act of civil disobedience means (or ought to mean) that a person is willing to go to jail (and ultimately to die) to force the government to change what King called "bad (or immoral) laws." The civil rights movement of the 60s was successful because many people did go to jail and some also died. In the same article that Bookworm quotes, Giuliani also said, “”I was there when it [the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center] happened, and I’ve been there every year since then. If I didn’t, it would be extremely unusual. As a personal matter, I wouldn’t be able to live with myself.” A man who “can’t live with himself,” if he isn’t in a certain place on a certain day of the year is not stable enough to be president. “Extremely unusual” is what the president must come to expect.

Not only that, Rudy Giuliani ruled New York by force, not with his brain: Our nation deserves better, especially after. As you’d expect, I can’t stand the man, but despite that, I think he probably knows that illegal immigration isn’t criminal.

And yes, Bookworm is right, an act of civil disobedience means (or ought to mean) that a person is willing to go to jail (and ultimately to die) to force the government to change what King called “bad (or immoral) laws.” The civil rights movement of the 60s was successful because many people did go to jail and some also died.

]]> By: zhombre http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/07/the-feeding-fenzy-that-wont-happen/#comment-14646 zhombre Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:01:14 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1789#comment-14646 Oh, I fully agree. A blanket or default amnesty is the worst idea. It would be a blatant signal for more to enter,that Americans are consumed by lassitude and care more about cheap labor and cheap votes than the laws, culture, borders and integrity of their country. Any form of amnesty, which should also entail some penalties and proof of current compliance, should be the last measure after enforcement is applied and applied diligently and even harshly. Oh, I fully agree. A blanket or default amnesty is the worst idea. It would be a blatant signal for more to enter,that Americans are consumed by lassitude and care more about cheap labor and cheap votes than the laws, culture, borders and integrity of their country. Any form of amnesty, which should also entail some penalties and proof of current compliance, should be the last measure after enforcement is applied and applied diligently and even harshly.

]]> By: Bookworm http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/07/the-feeding-fenzy-that-wont-happen/#comment-14647 Bookworm Sat, 08 Sep 2007 15:03:39 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1789#comment-14647 Z, I agree with Giuliani that the first thing to do is stop the inward flow of <i>illegal</i> immigrants. But he sounds so passive about the existing immigrants. Whether by deporting them, drying up their income, removing their welfare rewards, making it difficult (not easy) for them to live in Cities, whatever -- but something needs to be done so that at least some of the 12 million here don't get default amnesty. Because if there's default amnesty, nothing will work to close the borders. Z, I agree with Giuliani that the first thing to do is stop the inward flow of illegal immigrants. But he sounds so passive about the existing immigrants. Whether by deporting them, drying up their income, removing their welfare rewards, making it difficult (not easy) for them to live in Cities, whatever — but something needs to be done so that at least some of the 12 million here don’t get default amnesty. Because if there’s default amnesty, nothing will work to close the borders.

]]> By: zhombre http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/07/the-feeding-fenzy-that-wont-happen/#comment-14648 zhombre Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:13:11 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1789#comment-14648 Oh, Book, and I followed your links to the article on Greatest Liberal Moments on The West Wing too. Reviewing those reminded me why I never watched that series. The West Wing is to liberal governance as The X-Files is to physics and biology. Oh, Book, and I followed your links to the article on Greatest Liberal Moments on The West Wing too. Reviewing those reminded me why I never watched that series. The West Wing is to liberal governance as The X-Files is to physics and biology.

]]> By: zhombre http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/07/the-feeding-fenzy-that-wont-happen/#comment-14649 zhombre Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:48:38 +0000 http://proto2.webloggin.com/?p=1789#comment-14649 Let me say first I support Giuliani, though I am not in agreement with him on every issue. I think the first priority in dealing with the immigration problem is to enforce the border and existing immigration laws so that 12M illegals in the U.S. do not become 20 or 25M. As for those who are here already, I do not see the necessity or practicality of deporting or imprisoning 12M; I concur with Giuliani on that. Sure, some should be deported, some imprisoned or remanded back to prisons in their country of origin. Some will leave voluntarily. Some will remains illegal. I am not an advocate for blanket amnesty, but I've thought all along some form of amnesty is inevitable. Some illegals, who may have entered the country illegally or entered on a visa which has expired, have otherwise obeyed the law, learned the language, acculturated, and made productive lives for themselves here. Not being categorically anti immigrant or anti Hispanic, I do not see the point in expelling such people. In my book individual merit and effort trumps collective identity. I am now on the tail end of a federal career in civil enforcement, more years in the bureaucracy engaged in onerous tasks that I want to think about on a bright Saturday morning, and still believe you judge each case on its own merits. Let me say first I support Giuliani, though I am not in agreement with him on every issue. I think the first priority in dealing with the immigration problem is to enforce the border and existing immigration laws so that 12M illegals in the U.S. do not become 20 or 25M. As for those who are here already, I do not see the necessity or practicality of deporting or imprisoning 12M; I concur with Giuliani on that. Sure, some should be deported, some imprisoned or remanded back to prisons in their country of origin. Some will leave voluntarily. Some will remains illegal. I am not an advocate for blanket amnesty, but I’ve thought all along some form of amnesty is inevitable. Some illegals, who may have entered the country illegally or entered on a visa which has expired, have otherwise obeyed the law, learned the language, acculturated, and made productive lives for themselves here. Not being categorically anti immigrant or anti Hispanic, I do not see the point in expelling such people. In my book individual merit and effort trumps collective identity. I am now on the tail end of a federal career in civil enforcement, more years in the bureaucracy engaged in onerous tasks that I want to think about on a bright Saturday morning, and still believe you judge each case on its own merits.

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