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		<title>By: Zabrina</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/16/immigration-and-other-european-ideas-for-america/#comment-14828</link>
		<dc:creator>Zabrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent post. The stories handed down through my family stressed that nobody who emigrated to America wanted to go back "home" to the Old World. That would've been crazy! They felt well shut of it, and they knew what they were talking about. Though family ties pulled strongest on their hearts, there were good and compelling reasons why my own immigrant ancestors picked up and left. Never had anybody in my family going backwards to Europe. The Old World had been suffocating my ancestors for generations and offered no happy future. Emigrants had the same motivations, whether they were English fleeing religious persecution in the 1600s or Welsh seeking better job opportunities and living conditions and education for their kids in the 1800s, or whether they were Prussians fleeing poverty, ethnic strife and imminent war in the early 1900s. The immigrants themselves were always well sure they had done the right thing. America offered more, including more respect and freedom for the individual.

I would be dishonoring their stories, their sacrifices, and their legacy if I didn't keep a good eye and a good memory on what and why they left and what they found here that I enjoy, too. I am proud to have come from such smart, plucky, and innovative people, who saw the truth about the Old World (and I don't think much has changed) and acted on it. I share your views, on this, Bookworm. Thanks for this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent post. The stories handed down through my family stressed that nobody who emigrated to America wanted to go back &#8220;home&#8221; to the Old World. That would&#8217;ve been crazy! They felt well shut of it, and they knew what they were talking about. Though family ties pulled strongest on their hearts, there were good and compelling reasons why my own immigrant ancestors picked up and left. Never had anybody in my family going backwards to Europe. The Old World had been suffocating my ancestors for generations and offered no happy future. Emigrants had the same motivations, whether they were English fleeing religious persecution in the 1600s or Welsh seeking better job opportunities and living conditions and education for their kids in the 1800s, or whether they were Prussians fleeing poverty, ethnic strife and imminent war in the early 1900s. The immigrants themselves were always well sure they had done the right thing. America offered more, including more respect and freedom for the individual.</p>
<p>I would be dishonoring their stories, their sacrifices, and their legacy if I didn&#8217;t keep a good eye and a good memory on what and why they left and what they found here that I enjoy, too. I am proud to have come from such smart, plucky, and innovative people, who saw the truth about the Old World (and I don&#8217;t think much has changed) and acted on it. I share your views, on this, Bookworm. Thanks for this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Webloggin - Blog Archive &#187; Immigration and Other European Ideas for America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webloggin - Blog Archive &#187; Immigration and Other European Ideas for America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Do leading Democrats want America to win this war? Have they ever?

Of course not–and not because they are traitors. To leading Democrats such as Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, Al Gore and John Edwards, America would be better off if she lost."

I am sure that Quisling felt the same about how the Nazis would improve his beloved Norway. Treason is treason.

As far as your Euro-inclinations go, been there...done that! I remind my kids whenever they go there to admire the age-old art and architecture in Paris...but never forget that it was built by indentured labor. I tell them to admire Europe's scientific and philosophical contributions, but never forget that they gave rise to the most murderous humanistic ideologies ever recorded in history. Finally, I remind them that Europe was then, but we are now.

There is much that I love about my European roots, but nothing that takes away from my sheer pride in and appreciation of being American first and all that it entails. Those that have never experienced otherwise will never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do leading Democrats want America to win this war? Have they ever?</p>
<p>Of course not–and not because they are traitors. To leading Democrats such as Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, Al Gore and John Edwards, America would be better off if she lost.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am sure that Quisling felt the same about how the Nazis would improve his beloved Norway. Treason is treason.</p>
<p>As far as your Euro-inclinations go, been there&#8230;done that! I remind my kids whenever they go there to admire the age-old art and architecture in Paris&#8230;but never forget that it was built by indentured labor. I tell them to admire Europe&#8217;s scientific and philosophical contributions, but never forget that they gave rise to the most murderous humanistic ideologies ever recorded in history. Finally, I remind them that Europe was then, but we are now.</p>
<p>There is much that I love about my European roots, but nothing that takes away from my sheer pride in and appreciation of being American first and all that it entails. Those that have never experienced otherwise will never know.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do Americans see when they visit Europe?  Hollywood stars see 4 star hotels, fawning press, perhaps the villa of a friend where the local wine merchant has stocked the cellar with vintage bordeaux.  College students see the bars and galleries and art theaters showing vintage European films. Package  tourists see Big Ben, Notre Dame, and Neu Schwanstein. Diplomats see other diplomats. And academics converse with other academics about grand theories.

I doubt that many see the bannlieues or eavesdrop on conversations at working class bars. They don't hear about family problems and they don't read letters to the editor in local papers. Most see exactly what they expect to see. And when a European comments on the prudery  and provinciality of Americans, they return home thinking that America needs more skin in its films and more enlightened utopian conversation. They feel shame at our plumbers and the clerks in  Walmarts. They don't know that most Europeans don't live in the charming country cottages that grace the pages of the decorating mags. And they don't know that the salesperson goes home at the end of the day with tired feet--just like Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do Americans see when they visit Europe?  Hollywood stars see 4 star hotels, fawning press, perhaps the villa of a friend where the local wine merchant has stocked the cellar with vintage bordeaux.  College students see the bars and galleries and art theaters showing vintage European films. Package  tourists see Big Ben, Notre Dame, and Neu Schwanstein. Diplomats see other diplomats. And academics converse with other academics about grand theories.</p>
<p>I doubt that many see the bannlieues or eavesdrop on conversations at working class bars. They don&#8217;t hear about family problems and they don&#8217;t read letters to the editor in local papers. Most see exactly what they expect to see. And when a European comments on the prudery  and provinciality of Americans, they return home thinking that America needs more skin in its films and more enlightened utopian conversation. They feel shame at our plumbers and the clerks in  Walmarts. They don&#8217;t know that most Europeans don&#8217;t live in the charming country cottages that grace the pages of the decorating mags. And they don&#8217;t know that the salesperson goes home at the end of the day with tired feet&#8211;just like Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/16/immigration-and-other-european-ideas-for-america/#comment-14832</link>
		<dc:creator>ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After all Book, they cannot in good conscience send people like &lt;a href="http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2007/09/belgiums-rotten-soul.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;these&lt;/a&gt; to the United States, even if they were willing to go. Why, that would make things worse since the "non-progressives" would join America, be empowered, and simply be harder to eradicate afterwards. But Salafis, Muslims, and others that are also non-progressive but also natural allies of the humanitarians... now that is something else, Book. That's a usable weapon, something that would not strengthen America. but rather weaken her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After all Book, they cannot in good conscience send people like <a href="http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2007/09/belgiums-rotten-soul.html" rel="nofollow">these</a> to the United States, even if they were willing to go. Why, that would make things worse since the &#8220;non-progressives&#8221; would join America, be empowered, and simply be harder to eradicate afterwards. But Salafis, Muslims, and others that are also non-progressive but also natural allies of the humanitarians&#8230; now that is something else, Book. That&#8217;s a usable weapon, something that would not strengthen America. but rather weaken her.</p>
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		<title>By: ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/16/immigration-and-other-european-ideas-for-america/#comment-14833</link>
		<dc:creator>ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;Shouldn't the local municipalities receiving these people have a say in all this? Our unique American culture not to mention the individual cultures of our sections are being systematically destroyed by this kind of immigration, not to mention massive illegal Mexican immigration.&lt;/b&gt;

This was a method used to destroy the Spartan colony world in SM Stirling's "Prince" series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Shouldn&#8217;t the local municipalities receiving these people have a say in all this? Our unique American culture not to mention the individual cultures of our sections are being systematically destroyed by this kind of immigration, not to mention massive illegal Mexican immigration.</b></p>
<p>This was a method used to destroy the Spartan colony world in SM Stirling&#8217;s &#8220;Prince&#8221; series.</p>
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		<title>By: ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/09/16/immigration-and-other-european-ideas-for-america/#comment-14834</link>
		<dc:creator>ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teenage obstinancy and rebellion may work against the Left. Of course the Left will pull out the fascist and communist indoctrination programs, where you don't get a say.

The UN accomplishes two objectives. They destroy the soul and progress of America, economically and socially, by dumping their unwanted here. Often this benefit America because America was a harsh land and those that came here, like the Puritans, had to go hardcore on pragmatism. There was no time or resources for intellectual marxism or any such games.

The second objective the UN accomplishes is dumping societally disruptive figures from their places to the US. Like the Salafis. Plenty of Muslims from elsewhere, and plenty of tribes and dictators for the UN to work with.

Europe and the UN is  perhaps hopes that the cancer eating at Europe can be alleviated if the US can be made to feel just as miserable. Thus the US won't be such a great example of Europe's failure. With that, they can rule as is their divine and ancestral right, without nagging reminders that the US is better, more powerful, wiser, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teenage obstinancy and rebellion may work against the Left. Of course the Left will pull out the fascist and communist indoctrination programs, where you don&#8217;t get a say.</p>
<p>The UN accomplishes two objectives. They destroy the soul and progress of America, economically and socially, by dumping their unwanted here. Often this benefit America because America was a harsh land and those that came here, like the Puritans, had to go hardcore on pragmatism. There was no time or resources for intellectual marxism or any such games.</p>
<p>The second objective the UN accomplishes is dumping societally disruptive figures from their places to the US. Like the Salafis. Plenty of Muslims from elsewhere, and plenty of tribes and dictators for the UN to work with.</p>
<p>Europe and the UN is  perhaps hopes that the cancer eating at Europe can be alleviated if the US can be made to feel just as miserable. Thus the US won&#8217;t be such a great example of Europe&#8217;s failure. With that, they can rule as is their divine and ancestral right, without nagging reminders that the US is better, more powerful, wiser, etc.</p>
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