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	<description>Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts.</description>
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		<title>By: Bookworm Room &#187; San Francisco&#8217;s 2010 Fleet Week is going to be a wonderful one</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/10/10/ship-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-101005</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm Room &#187; San Francisco&#8217;s 2010 Fleet Week is going to be a wonderful one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that aren&#8217;t open to the general public.  (I&#8217;ve written about these tours and events here, here, here, here.)  If you&#8217;re lucky, you also get the heads up on non-Navy League events [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that aren&#8217;t open to the general public.  (I&#8217;ve written about these tours and events here, here, here, here.)  If you&#8217;re lucky, you also get the heads up on non-Navy League events [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm Room &#187; The military &#8212; a life with purpose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookworm Room &#187; The military &#8212; a life with purpose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recruiter who served a tour of duty in Iraq; got the benefit of a fascinating hour and a half with the XO on a destroyer; crawled in and out of Marine landing craft under the tutelage of Marines anxious to explain all [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recruiter who served a tour of duty in Iraq; got the benefit of a fascinating hour and a half with the XO on a destroyer; crawled in and out of Marine landing craft under the tutelage of Marines anxious to explain all [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm Room &#187; Reminder to Bay Area residents to join the Navy League</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/10/10/ship-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-71374</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm Room &#187; Reminder to Bay Area residents to join the Navy League</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ship Shape [...]</description>
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		<title>By: www.bestplasmatvdeals.info &#187; Ship Shape</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/10/10/ship-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-15456</link>
		<dc:creator>www.bestplasmatvdeals.info &#187; Ship Shape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 06:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bookworm wrote a fantastic post today on &#8220;Ship Shape&#8221;Here&#8217;s ONLY a quick extractOn the way to the engineering room, Lt. Cmdr. Ramirez explained to us that the ship is set up to withstand biological warfare. The doors from the ship’s exterior to its interior are all double doors with a reverse vacuum. &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bookworm wrote a fantastic post today on &#8220;Ship Shape&#8221;Here&#8217;s ONLY a quick extractOn the way to the engineering room, Lt. Cmdr. Ramirez explained to us that the ship is set up to withstand biological warfare. The doors from the ship’s exterior to its interior are all double doors with a reverse vacuum. &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SJBill</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2007/10/10/ship-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-15457</link>
		<dc:creator>SJBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bookie,

You make me proud. Very proud. Glad you had a great tour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bookie,</p>
<p>You make me proud. Very proud. Glad you had a great tour.</p>
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		<title>By: ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;By the way, I hope that my praising Lt. Cmdr. Ramirez didn’t make it sound as if he, not the Captain, is ultimately responsible for the ship. I just got caught up in his work because it &lt;/b&gt;

Perfect comparison of the XO&#039;s position, Book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>By the way, I hope that my praising Lt. Cmdr. Ramirez didn’t make it sound as if he, not the Captain, is ultimately responsible for the ship. I just got caught up in his work because it </b></p>
<p>Perfect comparison of the XO&#8217;s position, Book.</p>
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		<title>By: oceanguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>oceanguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fore Deck is technically correct, but not often used.  It is more commonly called the Fo&#039;c&#039;sle (Forecastle)... and thanks for your plug for the Navy League.

I have great memories of a few different encounters with the Navy League and its members.  Once even hosting a small group of Navy Leaguers from Fort Lauderdale, who were visiting Monte Carlo at the same time the USS JFK was there.  So, don&#039;t forget your affiliation while you&#039;re traveling!

As an aside, may I poke a little fun at the &quot;black shoe&quot; Navy?  Naval Aviators wear brown shoes with their Khaki uniforms, while the rest of the Naval Officers wear black shoes with the same uniform.  Commonly you&#039;ll hear reference to the &lt;i&gt;Black Shoe Navy&lt;/i&gt; or the &lt;i&gt;Brown Shoes&lt;/i&gt;.  We Brown Shoes like to pay homage to our Black Shoed shipmates by recognizing that they are the hardest working folks in the Navy...  They set out on a job and figure out the hardest way to do it... and then commence to working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fore Deck is technically correct, but not often used.  It is more commonly called the Fo&#8217;c'sle (Forecastle)&#8230; and thanks for your plug for the Navy League.</p>
<p>I have great memories of a few different encounters with the Navy League and its members.  Once even hosting a small group of Navy Leaguers from Fort Lauderdale, who were visiting Monte Carlo at the same time the USS JFK was there.  So, don&#8217;t forget your affiliation while you&#8217;re traveling!</p>
<p>As an aside, may I poke a little fun at the &#8220;black shoe&#8221; Navy?  Naval Aviators wear brown shoes with their Khaki uniforms, while the rest of the Naval Officers wear black shoes with the same uniform.  Commonly you&#8217;ll hear reference to the <i>Black Shoe Navy</i> or the <i>Brown Shoes</i>.  We Brown Shoes like to pay homage to our Black Shoed shipmates by recognizing that they are the hardest working folks in the Navy&#8230;  They set out on a job and figure out the hardest way to do it&#8230; and then commence to working.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything that can or might break is backed up, usually by a lower-tech, but more hardy, version.

One thing it sounds like you didn&#039;t see, Book, is the lockers with copper wire on spools, waiting to be rolled out to physically connect things when the more advanced connections have gone awry, or been successfully interfered with.  There are guys on board who can rewire and hard-wire the whole ship in a few hours.

As far as standing watch, the hours are tough, but not tougher than, for example, being an intern in the last lap of med school and on duty for 36 hours straight.  You learn to nap efficiently.

&quot;Shoup&quot; is part of &quot;Abraham Lincoln&#039;s&quot; battle group, and lives in Everett, Washington when she&#039;s at home, and it&#039;s interesting to see the carrier when working.  The kids (and they are kids - the average age of on-deck personnel in the last &quot;Lincoln&quot; deployment was, if I remember rightly, 19) work to, essentially, no fixed schedule at all.  If it&#039;s Tuesday, you&#039;re on duty.  They get up early, and spend the morning launching and recovering planes, then at the end of the day is another cycle, then there&#039;s often enough an overnight cycle.

By halfway through the day, what you see is kids flaked out everywhere.  In the ready rooms, in vestibules, in passages, under stairways, under tables in crew lounges - sleeping on the floor in every available space.  Yellow shirts, green shirts, brown shirts - deck crew - the airplane handlers.  Flaked out everywhere - you step over them.

You grab some sleep when it&#039;s there to grab.  The deck crew on &quot;Lincoln&quot; probably think the guys on &quot;Shoup&quot; have it easy - they get to an actual rack twice a day!

The Captain drives, and thinks about the mission.  The Exec delivers him a going concern, to utilize as needed.  Exec is a much more detail oriented and longer-houred job.  When the Exec salutes at the beginning of a cruise and reports the ship as ready in all respects, he&#039;s supposed to know that it is, and he means that every inch of it and the people who drive it are indeed ready.

The Exec is responsible for everything - but, as you noted: if ever any of it goes wrong, it&#039;ll be the Captain&#039;s fault.

The &quot;Ayatollah&quot; class boats, of which the lead was &quot;Kidd&quot; - DDG-993 - have all been stricken at this point.  They were a spin-off of the &quot;Spruance&quot; class boats, many of which are now gone, but there are still a few in service.  Short life - they were overtaken by the &quot;Burke&quot; class very quickly - and by congress deciding the Navy didn&#039;t need to be as large as it was.

Which, like most of what congress does, is turning out to be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything that can or might break is backed up, usually by a lower-tech, but more hardy, version.</p>
<p>One thing it sounds like you didn&#8217;t see, Book, is the lockers with copper wire on spools, waiting to be rolled out to physically connect things when the more advanced connections have gone awry, or been successfully interfered with.  There are guys on board who can rewire and hard-wire the whole ship in a few hours.</p>
<p>As far as standing watch, the hours are tough, but not tougher than, for example, being an intern in the last lap of med school and on duty for 36 hours straight.  You learn to nap efficiently.</p>
<p>&#8220;Shoup&#8221; is part of &#8220;Abraham Lincoln&#8217;s&#8221; battle group, and lives in Everett, Washington when she&#8217;s at home, and it&#8217;s interesting to see the carrier when working.  The kids (and they are kids &#8211; the average age of on-deck personnel in the last &#8220;Lincoln&#8221; deployment was, if I remember rightly, 19) work to, essentially, no fixed schedule at all.  If it&#8217;s Tuesday, you&#8217;re on duty.  They get up early, and spend the morning launching and recovering planes, then at the end of the day is another cycle, then there&#8217;s often enough an overnight cycle.</p>
<p>By halfway through the day, what you see is kids flaked out everywhere.  In the ready rooms, in vestibules, in passages, under stairways, under tables in crew lounges &#8211; sleeping on the floor in every available space.  Yellow shirts, green shirts, brown shirts &#8211; deck crew &#8211; the airplane handlers.  Flaked out everywhere &#8211; you step over them.</p>
<p>You grab some sleep when it&#8217;s there to grab.  The deck crew on &#8220;Lincoln&#8221; probably think the guys on &#8220;Shoup&#8221; have it easy &#8211; they get to an actual rack twice a day!</p>
<p>The Captain drives, and thinks about the mission.  The Exec delivers him a going concern, to utilize as needed.  Exec is a much more detail oriented and longer-houred job.  When the Exec salutes at the beginning of a cruise and reports the ship as ready in all respects, he&#8217;s supposed to know that it is, and he means that every inch of it and the people who drive it are indeed ready.</p>
<p>The Exec is responsible for everything &#8211; but, as you noted: if ever any of it goes wrong, it&#8217;ll be the Captain&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Ayatollah&#8221; class boats, of which the lead was &#8220;Kidd&#8221; &#8211; DDG-993 &#8211; have all been stricken at this point.  They were a spin-off of the &#8220;Spruance&#8221; class boats, many of which are now gone, but there are still a few in service.  Short life &#8211; they were overtaken by the &#8220;Burke&#8221; class very quickly &#8211; and by congress deciding the Navy didn&#8217;t need to be as large as it was.</p>
<p>Which, like most of what congress does, is turning out to be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Binder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Binder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reference to the protection against chemical attacks, it sounds like the double-door airlock-style thing uses an over-pressure system (that, I believe, is the technical name).  The other facility you were looking to name sounds like a decontamination center.

As for the Shoup reminding you so much of USS Kidd (DD-661; there was another USS &lt;i&gt;Kidd&lt;/i&gt; built during the late &#039;70s, originally for the Shah of Iran), that&#039;s probably because the Arleigh Burke class are essentially fruits of only late-&#039;70s and early-&#039;80s technology.  They&#039;ve been upgraded over the years, naturally, but even so the design is really only three or four generations of technology more advanced than the WWII-era USS Kidd.  The Littoral Combat Ships the Navy is currently constructing would probably stirke you as being closer to Starship Enterprise than to USS Kidd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reference to the protection against chemical attacks, it sounds like the double-door airlock-style thing uses an over-pressure system (that, I believe, is the technical name).  The other facility you were looking to name sounds like a decontamination center.</p>
<p>As for the Shoup reminding you so much of USS Kidd (DD-661; there was another USS <i>Kidd</i> built during the late &#8217;70s, originally for the Shah of Iran), that&#8217;s probably because the Arleigh Burke class are essentially fruits of only late-&#8217;70s and early-&#8217;80s technology.  They&#8217;ve been upgraded over the years, naturally, but even so the design is really only three or four generations of technology more advanced than the WWII-era USS Kidd.  The Littoral Combat Ships the Navy is currently constructing would probably stirke you as being closer to Starship Enterprise than to USS Kidd.</p>
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