Europe, on the other hand, composed of states based almost entirely on ethnicity, has no natural or national mythology by which to manage foreign immigation. To imagine that you can take Moroccans and turn them into Danes…how is that to be done? There can be no “we” without the complete dissolution of the original people.
It was a stunning hubris which led the Europeans to imagine that this kind of thing could work without cultural suicide…(and I wonder sometimes if this is the unconscious goal for a post WWII continent gripped with guilt).

Our national future in the USA is not clear, but at least we have a chance. For Europe, I suspect the outcome will be very rough.

So it seems to me then, that this changes the dynamic a bit, and the question becomes: why?

‘68er generation generation didn’t have enough kids here or in Europe.

It’s the first time in history (absent plague or war) that a smaller generation followed a larger one–the largest generation in history, in fact….

The number of abortions from Roe v. Wade until 1980 is now about equal to the number of illegals.

But at least we only import nice Catholic Mexicans and not Muslims like Europe.

This problem isn’t just something happening here: it’s happening everywhere in what is commonly referred to as the “developed” world. Not just here - everywhere.

So it seems to me then, that this changes the dynamic a bit, and the question becomes: why?

I can’t really speak to Europe, I haven’t lived there in years, but I can speak to this country, and one of the things I notice about this country is that everybody expects to make a ton of money. Suburban schoolteachers - in my old suburbs - were making $75,000 - $90,000 a year after ten years for (as far as the Dept of Labor is concerned, a part-time job [more than 12 weeks a year off is part-time by definition]) which is a hell of a lot of money for a part-time job. Along with it comes, of course, complete medical care and retirement benefits forever.

Truck-drivers make $60K plus retirement and medical care.
Professional people of course are unlimited, and cost us all a fortune.
Guys who drive subway trains get $100K a year plus, as well as full medical, retirement, etc., etc.
Cops make, in this country, anywhere from $50k to $150k depending on where they are and how long they’ve been at it - plus the usual benefits.

You see where we’re going. I suspect Europe is there, too. Gray says, “it’snot like we have an alternative.” Boqueronman says yes we do.

I wonder. If we had actual citizens, with all the actual citizen expectations of this country at work in those fields picking that stuff, it begins to me to look like the little prepackaged salad at Burger King would have to cost something on the order of fifty bucks.

We would not be paying “a little extra” for our salads - we would be paying one huge hell of a lot more for them. The wage differences between the so-called developed world and the rest of the world - whew! It would probably be worthwhile - and kind of entertaining - to find out what the Teamsters or someone of that ilk would think a day’s work int he fields ought to be worth.

That’s the answer to the “why” in Europe and here: if we or the Europeans had to actually pay the field-hands the way we pay everybody else, you’d have eaten your last salad.

Real unionized tax-paying labor that is no longer cheap comes with too much economic pain….

How much leverage would lettuce pickers unions have when they strike to leave the crops in the field?

A great deal of leverage.

Demographics is destiny. We can’t go back and retroactively make the boomers have more kids, so we let the labor sneak in. It’s awful, but the drop in standard of living would be intolerable.

That’s fine by me. I’ll pay a little extra for my salads or get a little less floor space in my McMansion if that means the U.S. acts decisively to control the borders.

How are you going to sell that pain politically?

The Baby Boom generation in both the US and Europe simply didn’t have enough kids….

Cheap labor has to come from somewhere.

It’s not like we have an alternative.

2. Muslims must not get around much: if land where pigs were once harbored is forever off limits to them, then I’d expect them to be instantly gone from Manhattan, which used roving herds of pigs to keep the streets free (sort of) of garbage 150 years ago. The Bronx was one huge slaughterhouse.

3. San Francisco handed out an official ID to Nancy Pelosi - what price illegal aliens? Apparently anything goes in that city.

from worldnetdaily.com

Airline ‘discount’ charges heterosexual customers more

10% penalty applied if buyers don’t get tickets from ‘gay’ site

Posted: November 28, 2007
9:55 p.m. Eastern

I read this story and was immediately thinking how could they possibly know such a thing? So I read down and buried in the middle, “a 2003 randomized telephone survey.” What? You mean to tell me that the whole study’s premise is based on a telephone survey. Junk science, again. It really galls me how science has been hijacked for political purposes.

Beware anything that uses the terms “scientific polling,” or “study based on a telephone survey.” Invariably it can be filed under GIGO.