Let me loose on the terrorists, Book. Then we’ll really know if they are mean to us due to our being mean to them.

We’re not being very mean to them, if you ask me. So I’m willing to experiment and do what it takes to figure this question out.

If you ask me, terrorists hate us because we’re weak and fat targets. Don’t you folks love FREE stuff that doesn’t require much work to get?

Dontcha?!

Same applies to terrorists.

I truly wish that American commentators of the Right - with
whom I agree on so much else - would temper their Alice in
Wonderland view of the English with their own experience of Revolutionary War against the same Anglo-Saxons. They relinquished their other colonies with the same bloody
reluctance that they ceded America to the Founding Fathers
Ask the Irish (of whom I am one), the Kenyans, the Malays. Heck,
ask the Indians themselves
Don’t believe me? Google Amritsar Massacre, Black and
Tans, Bloody Sunday (there are two of them!) Ireland has
a long and bloody history of eight hundred years of
attempting to get quit of them and they’re still hanging on by
their fingernails. And, I can assure you, divil a bit of a high
moral tone did they favour us with.
By the by, Gandhi’s campaign took decades to bear fruit and
Civil Disobedience was only feasible because he succeeded
in mobilising five hundred million Indians against a British
Raj numbered merely in the thousands. On top of which,
WWII left Britain bankrupt and quite unable to carry on as an
Imperial Power in India. They left India for the same reason
the quit America and most of Ireland, because they had well
worn out their welcome. India, like Ireland and the US, got
her freedom because she fought tooth and nail for it.

Don’t be fooled by the posh accents and Saville Row suits.
The Brits are confined to their small, overcrowded island
home only because the rest of the world eventually proved
too hot for them to handle!

To a degree, that is what has happened in Iraq. The Sunnis saw our relative restraint, our trying to avoid killing civilians, and contrasted our soldiers’ conduct with Al-Qaeda’s indiscriminate killing of civilians. Recall the picture of the Iraqi child hiding behind an American soldier. That kid knew where he was safe. Thus the Anbar awakening. The Americans are less bad than Al-Qaeda, from the viewpoint of a devout Sunni tribesman.

As for restraint, I would like to see some “accidents” near such places as Syrian or Iranian secret police headquarters.

Of course Momar Kadaffy has warmed up to us, but that’s probably due to our neighboring military action, which doesn’t help the peaceful argument.

No it doesn’t help the peaceful argument. Unfortunately, it also appears that his son has forgotten the lesson. http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
Obama doesn’t get my vote, but I doubt it will matter. I think he will win and we will see what happens in this experiment.Interesting times indeed.
Yes, it will be interesting.
Many Americans, many of them supporters of Obama, make the mistake of thinking that while to a degree people are the same the world over, that the homily can also be universally extended to governments and political movements. Witness Nancy Pelosi, Chris Dodd, and JF Kerry making the pilgrimage to Damascus, following in the footsteps of David Duke. Perhaps Americans who make pilgrimages to Damascus and such places should ask themselves: would I want my family to live under the rule of these people?
If Obama is elected, tries the “peace” approach, and it blows up in OUR faces- not just his- the response from the peace camp will be that it didn’t work because of all the ill will that the warmongering ChimpyBushMcHitler had caused. It will be a no-lose situation for Obama and his followers, even if the US loses. We just didn’t try peace enough, you see.

No it doesn’t help the peaceful argument. Unfortunately, it also appears that his son has forgotten the lesson.

As for restraint, I would like to see some “accidents” near such places as Syrian or Iranian secret police headquarters.
Obama doesn’t get my vote, but I doubt it will matter. I think he will win and we will see what happens in this experiment.Interesting times indeed.
Yes, it will be interesting.
Many Americans, many of them supporters of Obama, make the mistake of thinking that while to a degree people are the same the world over, that the homily can also be extended to governments and political movements. Witness Nancy Pelosi, Chris Dodd, and JF Kerry making the pilgrimage to Damascus, following in the footsteps of David Duke. Perhaps Americans who make pilgrimages to Damascus and such places should ask themselves: would I want my family to live under the rule of these people?
If Obama is elected, tries the “peace” approach, and it blows up in OUR faces- not just his- the response from the peace camp will be that it didn’t work because of all the ill will that the warmongering ChimpyBushMcHitler had caused. It will be a no-lose situation for them

Cheers,
J

I have to admit, I am curious to see what would happen should Obama become president. (and its looking more and more like that will happen). The only reason that I wonder if the peace approach may work is because I was raised a Christian.

Matthew 5:39
But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Luke 6:29
If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic.

This would not have worked with the Nazis. Clearly. So if the Islamofacists = Nazis then the Jesus approach wont work. The question I have is are they really equivalent to Nazis? If you read / listen to some of the nut jobs that represent them, its easy to believe that they are equally evil and beyond a peaceful compromise. BUT what if hearts and minds can be changed through a peaceful example? I am speaking of moderates, not the fanatics, they seem to be beyond hope.

Of course Momar Kadaffy has warmed up to us, but thats probably due to our neighboring military action, which doesnt help the peaceful argument.

Certainly something has to change. (there’s that in vogue word again, change) Muslims vs Christians / Jews. Its so old. Centuries old.

Obama doesnt get my vote, but I doubt it will matter. I think he will win and we will see what happens in this experiment.

Interesting times indeed.

(EQ2 also has the department of Gnomeland Security, which is funny every dang time I see it.)

Note the dates. In 1920 he instigated an attack against praying Jews. In 1940 he pleaded with his Nazi allies to settle the Jewish question in the Middle East “along the lines similar to those used to solve the Jewish question in Germany” and he “constantly incited him [Eichmann] to accelerate the extermination measures”.

Ask yourself if the establishment of Israel in the late 1940’s, after the defeat of the Nazis, is REALLY the cause of violence and hatred against Jews…

From:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

Amin al-Husseini studied religious law at al-Azhar University, Cairo, and attended the Istanbul School of Administration. In 1913 he went to Mecca on a pilgrimage, earning the honorary title of “Haj”. He voluntarily joined the Ottoman Turkish army in World War I but returned to Jerusalem in 1917 and expediently switched sides to aid the victorious British. He acquired the reputation as a violent, fanatical anti-Zionist zealot and was jailed by the British for instigating a 1920 Arab attack against Jews who were praying at the Western Wall.
…
According to documentation from the Nuremberg and Eichmann trials, the Nazi Germany SS helped finance al-Husseini’s efforts in the 1936-39 revolt in Palestine. Adolf Eichmann actually visited Palestine and met with al-Husseini at that time and subsequently maintained regular contact with him later in Berlin.

In 1940, al-Husseini requested the Axis powers to acknowledge the Arab right:

… to settle the question of Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries in accordance with the national and racial interests of the Arabs and along the lines similar to those used to solve the Jewish question in Germany and Italy.
While in Baghdad, Syria al-Husseini aided the pro-Nazi revolt of 1941. He then spent the rest of World War II as Hitler’s special guest in Berlin, advocating the extermination of Jews in radio broadcasts back to the Middle East and recruiting Balkan Muslims for infamous SS “mountain divisions” that tried to wipe out Jewish communities throughout the region.

At the Nuremberg Trials, Eichmann’s deputy Dieter Wisliceny (subsequently executed as a war criminal) testified:

The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. … He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz.
With the collapse of Nazi Germany in 1945, the Mufti moved to Egypt where he was received as a national hero. After the war al-Husseini was indicted by Yugoslavia for war crimes, but escaped prosecution.