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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 04:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;When I finish knowing what I mean, I won’t be able to come by; I’ll be dead&lt;/b&gt;

That must be why you find it a bother to answer questions from the &quot;board&quot; here. You think we&#039;re waiting for you to die.

&lt;B&gt;Education is a life-long process.&lt;/b&gt;

It doesn&#039;t take a life-long process to know why 2+0 is still 2.

&lt;B&gt;To explain what someone means, you have to know what they mean.&lt;/b&gt;

Given that it will take your entire life for you to know what I mean, I am obviously going at a faster pace here.

&lt;B&gt;Bookworm, Is it off limits for me to tell him to shut up?&lt;/b&gt;

It&#039;s unlikely it would do anything regardless.

&lt;B&gt;. Unfortunately for us all, politics may not be the best way to choose governmental leaders&lt;/b&gt;

Do you prefer religious and Christian ways to choose leaders of the government, then.

&lt;B&gt;Some people want to talk policy and voting record, etc.&lt;/b&gt;

While others want to talk about they believe in Obama because Obama believes in them.

&lt;B&gt;But you see, racism has reentered the picture.&lt;/b&gt;

The institutional racism of Chicago is born out by the examples of both Michelle and Obama Barack.

&lt;B&gt;Hmmmm…just how is Obama like JFK?&lt;/b&gt;

In the simplest fashion, that Democrats believe Right wingers will assassinate him once he proves to be making &quot;Real Changes&quot; tm, Danny.

&lt;B&gt;(and, yes, I concede that it’s hard nowadays to imagine how Harding could once have been considered a sex pot by the newly enfranchised women voters).&lt;/b&gt;

Power draws in the young women.That has always been true, regardless of what else was going on.

It&#039;s a DNA thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>When I finish knowing what I mean, I won’t be able to come by; I’ll be dead</b></p>
<p>That must be why you find it a bother to answer questions from the &#8220;board&#8221; here. You think we&#8217;re waiting for you to die.</p>
<p><b>Education is a life-long process.</b></p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take a life-long process to know why 2+0 is still 2.</p>
<p><b>To explain what someone means, you have to know what they mean.</b></p>
<p>Given that it will take your entire life for you to know what I mean, I am obviously going at a faster pace here.</p>
<p><b>Bookworm, Is it off limits for me to tell him to shut up?</b></p>
<p>It&#8217;s unlikely it would do anything regardless.</p>
<p><b>. Unfortunately for us all, politics may not be the best way to choose governmental leaders</b></p>
<p>Do you prefer religious and Christian ways to choose leaders of the government, then.</p>
<p><b>Some people want to talk policy and voting record, etc.</b></p>
<p>While others want to talk about they believe in Obama because Obama believes in them.</p>
<p><b>But you see, racism has reentered the picture.</b></p>
<p>The institutional racism of Chicago is born out by the examples of both Michelle and Obama Barack.</p>
<p><b>Hmmmm…just how is Obama like JFK?</b></p>
<p>In the simplest fashion, that Democrats believe Right wingers will assassinate him once he proves to be making &#8220;Real Changes&#8221; tm, Danny.</p>
<p><b>(and, yes, I concede that it’s hard nowadays to imagine how Harding could once have been considered a sex pot by the newly enfranchised women voters).</b></p>
<p>Power draws in the young women.That has always been true, regardless of what else was going on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a DNA thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well then, Helen, you and I are on the same page about the merits of the Obama/JFK comparison:  it&#039;s based upon superficialities.  My problem is that I worry profoundly about a political system that thinks those superficialities are as deep as one needs to look in order to elect the leader of the Western world.  I&#039;d like to think that Warren Harding taught us that the election must be about more than just a pretty face (and, yes, I concede that it&#039;s hard nowadays to imagine how Harding could once have been considered a sex pot by the newly enfranchised women voters).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then, Helen, you and I are on the same page about the merits of the Obama/JFK comparison:  it&#8217;s based upon superficialities.  My problem is that I worry profoundly about a political system that thinks those superficialities are as deep as one needs to look in order to elect the leader of the Western world.  I&#8217;d like to think that Warren Harding taught us that the election must be about more than just a pretty face (and, yes, I concede that it&#8217;s hard nowadays to imagine how Harding could once have been considered a sex pot by the newly enfranchised women voters).</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Losse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen Losse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am speaking only about Obama&#039;s campaign and why I think he appeals to certain people.  Charisma is sexy.  And the young voters believe, as does each generation in its time,  they just invented sex. :-)  

Obama is not my first choice for president in 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am speaking only about Obama&#8217;s campaign and why I think he appeals to certain people.  Charisma is sexy.  And the young voters believe, as does each generation in its time,  they just invented sex. <img src='http://www.bookwormroom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Obama is not my first choice for president in 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You did say that, Helen, but that focuses very closely on external qualities.  I think Danny was trying to point out that, in substance, there are no points of intersection between Obama and JFK.  Politically, they come from two entirely different areas.  Now, if people just care that a politician looks good (that Fernando Lamas thing, again), then that&#039;s okay.  But to make comparisons between the two as if the political outcome for electing Obama will be the same as it was for electing JFK -- well, that&#039;s a different kettle of fish.  BTW, which comparison were you making?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You did say that, Helen, but that focuses very closely on external qualities.  I think Danny was trying to point out that, in substance, there are no points of intersection between Obama and JFK.  Politically, they come from two entirely different areas.  Now, if people just care that a politician looks good (that Fernando Lamas thing, again), then that&#8217;s okay.  But to make comparisons between the two as if the political outcome for electing Obama will be the same as it was for electing JFK &#8212; well, that&#8217;s a different kettle of fish.  BTW, which comparison were you making?</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your questions are good, Danny, but I think Helen has made a good point in an image saturated age.  Remember the old &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Lamas&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fernando Lamas&lt;/a&gt; line that &quot;It&#039;s better to look good than to feel good?&quot;  That&#039;s precisely what has happened here.  JFK was young, handsome and well-spoken.  Obama is young, handsome and well-spoken.  Therefore they are the same.  They look good, so the fact that they are entirely different in substance is irrelevant.  In America, therefore, the fact that JFK and Obama, politically speaking, are two different animals, is no hindrance to Helen&#039;s comparison.  So, while I don&#039;t agree with Helen&#039;s comparison (I think you&#039;re right, Danny), I do believe that, culturally, Helen has made a perfectly apt observation.  

I&#039;ll admit there are limits -- the fact that David Duke was young, handsome and well-spoken didn&#039;t help him (and thank Goodness for that).  I suspect that young, handsome and well-spoken analogy only works on the lefter side of the spectrum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your questions are good, Danny, but I think Helen has made a good point in an image saturated age.  Remember the old <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Lamas" rel="external" rel="nofollow">Fernando Lamas</a> line that &#8220;It&#8217;s better to look good than to feel good?&#8221;  That&#8217;s precisely what has happened here.  JFK was young, handsome and well-spoken.  Obama is young, handsome and well-spoken.  Therefore they are the same.  They look good, so the fact that they are entirely different in substance is irrelevant.  In America, therefore, the fact that JFK and Obama, politically speaking, are two different animals, is no hindrance to Helen&#8217;s comparison.  So, while I don&#8217;t agree with Helen&#8217;s comparison (I think you&#8217;re right, Danny), I do believe that, culturally, Helen has made a perfectly apt observation.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit there are limits &#8212; the fact that David Duke was young, handsome and well-spoken didn&#8217;t help him (and thank Goodness for that).  I suspect that young, handsome and well-spoken analogy only works on the lefter side of the spectrum.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Losse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen Losse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But Obama is a black JFK: charismatic, good looking, well educated, young wife and sweet little kids, and able to deliver an emotional speech.&quot;

Didn&#039;t I sat that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But Obama is a black JFK: charismatic, good looking, well educated, young wife and sweet little kids, and able to deliver an emotional speech.&#8221;</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t I sat that?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A black JFK&quot;? Interesting.

Hmmmm...just how is Obama like JFK? 

Do you refer to JFK&#039;s heroic war record (PT-109), initiation of foreign wars (Vietnam, Bay of Pigs), overthrow and assassination of foreign leaders (Dhiem), supply-side economics and tax reduction, devoted anti-communism, being a serial philanderer and sex maniac, his illegal drug use? 

Just asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A black JFK&#8221;? Interesting.</p>
<p>Hmmmm&#8230;just how is Obama like JFK? </p>
<p>Do you refer to JFK&#8217;s heroic war record (PT-109), initiation of foreign wars (Vietnam, Bay of Pigs), overthrow and assassination of foreign leaders (Dhiem), supply-side economics and tax reduction, devoted anti-communism, being a serial philanderer and sex maniac, his illegal drug use? </p>
<p>Just asking.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Losse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen Losse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y., When I finish knowing what I mean, I won&#039;t be able to come by; I&#039;ll be dead.  Education is a life-long process.  But when you stop trying to tell me what I mean, you will stop wasting your time and mine.

Bookworm,  Is it off limits for me to tell him to shut up?  :roll:

As far as black need for a leader, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s as strong as it was prior to the 60s.  But Obama is a black JFK:  charismatic, good looking, well educated, young wife and sweet little kids, and able to deliver an emotional speech.  He is a throwback Democrat with political correctness to span the time gap:  black/ white  Islam/ Christian.  He has wide appeal as a political leader.  Unfortunately for us all, politics may not be the best way to choose governmental leaders.  :-)  Some people want to talk policy and voting record, etc.

But you see, racism has reentered the picture.  While some people want to know about foreign policy etc., others want to know if a black man can become the President of the US.  Both are valid questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y., When I finish knowing what I mean, I won&#8217;t be able to come by; I&#8217;ll be dead.  Education is a life-long process.  But when you stop trying to tell me what I mean, you will stop wasting your time and mine.</p>
<p>Bookworm,  Is it off limits for me to tell him to shut up?  <img src='http://www.bookwormroom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As far as black need for a leader, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s as strong as it was prior to the 60s.  But Obama is a black JFK:  charismatic, good looking, well educated, young wife and sweet little kids, and able to deliver an emotional speech.  He is a throwback Democrat with political correctness to span the time gap:  black/ white  Islam/ Christian.  He has wide appeal as a political leader.  Unfortunately for us all, politics may not be the best way to choose governmental leaders.  <img src='http://www.bookwormroom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Some people want to talk policy and voting record, etc.</p>
<p>But you see, racism has reentered the picture.  While some people want to know about foreign policy etc., others want to know if a black man can become the President of the US.  Both are valid questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago, there was a small group of white girls in my college community that bragged of their  infatuation with all things &quot;black&quot; (&quot;once you go black, you never go back!&quot;). They insisted on always being around &quot;black&quot; people, bragged about black people, digressed knowledgeably about their expertise in all things &quot;black&quot;and basically, looked at black people like subject for a sophomoric anthropology thesis. 

With the exception of a few guys in it for easy sex, the black people that I knew had nothing but contempt for these girls, recognizing that infatuation for the condescending, racist paternalism that it was. These were the same kind of whiteys that would tell a really bright black woman from Gary that I knew that she should give up her dreams of medicine because, being &quot;black&quot;, she was better suited to education or social service. In their own minds, they were being open-minded, loving and helpful, I&#039;m sure.

Unfortunately, when people make sweeping generalizations about black people needing or doing this or that, it brings all these ugly memories flooding back. 

Sure, black Americans have had charismatic leaders (Frederick Douglas), just like white Americans, too, have had charismatic religious and political leaders (Patrick Henry, Abraham Lincoln, William Jennings Bryan). Moreover, both black and white charismatic leaders have show extreme diversity in views - W.E.B. DuBois was not Booker T. Washington was not Jim Jones, just as populist preacher Fr. Charles Coughlin was not Billy Graham.

Enough with race-based generalizations, already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, there was a small group of white girls in my college community that bragged of their  infatuation with all things &#8220;black&#8221; (&#8220;once you go black, you never go back!&#8221;). They insisted on always being around &#8220;black&#8221; people, bragged about black people, digressed knowledgeably about their expertise in all things &#8220;black&#8221;and basically, looked at black people like subject for a sophomoric anthropology thesis. </p>
<p>With the exception of a few guys in it for easy sex, the black people that I knew had nothing but contempt for these girls, recognizing that infatuation for the condescending, racist paternalism that it was. These were the same kind of whiteys that would tell a really bright black woman from Gary that I knew that she should give up her dreams of medicine because, being &#8220;black&#8221;, she was better suited to education or social service. In their own minds, they were being open-minded, loving and helpful, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, when people make sweeping generalizations about black people needing or doing this or that, it brings all these ugly memories flooding back. </p>
<p>Sure, black Americans have had charismatic leaders (Frederick Douglas), just like white Americans, too, have had charismatic religious and political leaders (Patrick Henry, Abraham Lincoln, William Jennings Bryan). Moreover, both black and white charismatic leaders have show extreme diversity in views &#8211; W.E.B. DuBois was not Booker T. Washington was not Jim Jones, just as populist preacher Fr. Charles Coughlin was not Billy Graham.</p>
<p>Enough with race-based generalizations, already.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deanna:

I never thought about it, but you&#039;re absolutely right with regard to the perceived need for a black leader.  That may explain why other communities don&#039;t have their Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons.  I need to mull over very seriously what you&#039;ve said here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deanna:</p>
<p>I never thought about it, but you&#8217;re absolutely right with regard to the perceived need for a black leader.  That may explain why other communities don&#8217;t have their Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons.  I need to mull over very seriously what you&#8217;ve said here.</p>
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