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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/04/03/liberals-and-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-22014</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny,

I can&#039;t really get the image out of my mind that people like this LINK AT BOTTOM need to be put into re-education camps and shot, exactly the things that such peeps did to the South Vietnamese. And for the newer generation, it all depends on what they are doing to the Iraqis, even if they weren&#039;t old enough to have made any such decisions on the death of South Vietnam.

When you slice a person&#039;s arms off so he loses his grip on his lifeline, did the ground really &quot;kill&quot; him, Danny, or did you kill him? And if you ever happened to be in the same situation, why would it be &quot;just&quot; for the guy on the ledge to help you up instead of slicing your arms off like you did to that unfortunate victim?

It&#039;s the meta-golden rule for ensuring the cycle of justice instead of the cycle of hate and slavery. Treat your inferiors and those below you in the hierarchy of power as you would expect and demand those superior to you to treat you. That means you ain&#039;t got no choice. You either act the way you expect your superiors to treat you, towards your inferiors, or you expect your superiors to treat you like you treated your inferiors. Any other way to parse it would be &quot;injustice&quot;, as in opposite of justice.

The justice system as we know of only works for those inside America. And oftentimes poorly at that, given the example of Teddy Splashing Kennedy and KKK Robert Byrd and Clinton&#039;s pardoned Enron crooks.

For justice across international boundaries, however, it doesn&#039;t even exist. The only justice is the justice people get through exercising power.

As such, there is no reason for people like Jackie to treat the South Vietnamese as humans deserving of the same consideration as a neighbor or child in the US. No reason, that is, unless you make a reason for them.

HTTP:neoneocon.com/2008/04/04/obama-as-macavity-lies-vs-misleading-generalizations/#comment-63011</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t really get the image out of my mind that people like this LINK AT BOTTOM need to be put into re-education camps and shot, exactly the things that such peeps did to the South Vietnamese. And for the newer generation, it all depends on what they are doing to the Iraqis, even if they weren&#8217;t old enough to have made any such decisions on the death of South Vietnam.</p>
<p>When you slice a person&#8217;s arms off so he loses his grip on his lifeline, did the ground really &#8220;kill&#8221; him, Danny, or did you kill him? And if you ever happened to be in the same situation, why would it be &#8220;just&#8221; for the guy on the ledge to help you up instead of slicing your arms off like you did to that unfortunate victim?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the meta-golden rule for ensuring the cycle of justice instead of the cycle of hate and slavery. Treat your inferiors and those below you in the hierarchy of power as you would expect and demand those superior to you to treat you. That means you ain&#8217;t got no choice. You either act the way you expect your superiors to treat you, towards your inferiors, or you expect your superiors to treat you like you treated your inferiors. Any other way to parse it would be &#8220;injustice&#8221;, as in opposite of justice.</p>
<p>The justice system as we know of only works for those inside America. And oftentimes poorly at that, given the example of Teddy Splashing Kennedy and KKK Robert Byrd and Clinton&#8217;s pardoned Enron crooks.</p>
<p>For justice across international boundaries, however, it doesn&#8217;t even exist. The only justice is the justice people get through exercising power.</p>
<p>As such, there is no reason for people like Jackie to treat the South Vietnamese as humans deserving of the same consideration as a neighbor or child in the US. No reason, that is, unless you make a reason for them.</p>
<p>HTTP:neoneocon.com/2008/04/04/obama-as-macavity-lies-vs-misleading-generalizations/#comment-63011</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/04/03/liberals-and-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-22013</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny,

I can&#039;t really get the image out of my mind that people like this &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt; need to be put into re-education camps and shot, exactly the things that such peeps did to the South Vietnamese. And for the newer generation, it all depends on what they are doing to the Iraqis, even if they weren&#039;t old enough to have made any such decisions on the death of South Vietnam.

When you slice a person&#039;s arms off so he loses his grip on his lifeline, did the ground really &quot;kill&quot; him, Danny, or did you kill him? And if you ever happened to be in the same situation, why would it be &quot;just&quot; for the guy on the ledge to help you up instead of slicing your arms off like you did to that unfortunate victim?

It&#039;s the meta-golden rule for ensuring the cycle of justice instead of the cycle of hate and slavery. Treat your inferiors and those below you in the hierarchy of power as you would expect and demand those superior to you to treat you. That means you ain&#039;t got no choice. You either act the way you expect your superiors to treat you, towards your inferiors, or you expect your superiors to treat you like you treated your inferiors. Any other way to parse it would be &quot;injustice&quot;, as in opposite of justice.

The justice system as we know of only works for those inside America. And oftentimes poorly at that, given the example of Teddy Splashing Kennedy and KKK Robert Byrd and Clinton&#039;s pardoned Enron crooks.

For justice across international boundaries, however, it doesn&#039;t even exist. The only justice is the justice people get through exercising power.

As such, there is no reason for people like Jackie to treat the South Vietnamese as humans deserving of the same consideration as a neighbor or child in the US. No reason, that is, unless you make a reason for them.

HTTP:neoneocon.com/2008/04/04/obama-as-macavity-lies-vs-misleading-generalizations/#comment-63011</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t really get the image out of my mind that people like this <a href="" rel="nofollow">Link</a> need to be put into re-education camps and shot, exactly the things that such peeps did to the South Vietnamese. And for the newer generation, it all depends on what they are doing to the Iraqis, even if they weren&#8217;t old enough to have made any such decisions on the death of South Vietnam.</p>
<p>When you slice a person&#8217;s arms off so he loses his grip on his lifeline, did the ground really &#8220;kill&#8221; him, Danny, or did you kill him? And if you ever happened to be in the same situation, why would it be &#8220;just&#8221; for the guy on the ledge to help you up instead of slicing your arms off like you did to that unfortunate victim?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the meta-golden rule for ensuring the cycle of justice instead of the cycle of hate and slavery. Treat your inferiors and those below you in the hierarchy of power as you would expect and demand those superior to you to treat you. That means you ain&#8217;t got no choice. You either act the way you expect your superiors to treat you, towards your inferiors, or you expect your superiors to treat you like you treated your inferiors. Any other way to parse it would be &#8220;injustice&#8221;, as in opposite of justice.</p>
<p>The justice system as we know of only works for those inside America. And oftentimes poorly at that, given the example of Teddy Splashing Kennedy and KKK Robert Byrd and Clinton&#8217;s pardoned Enron crooks.</p>
<p>For justice across international boundaries, however, it doesn&#8217;t even exist. The only justice is the justice people get through exercising power.</p>
<p>As such, there is no reason for people like Jackie to treat the South Vietnamese as humans deserving of the same consideration as a neighbor or child in the US. No reason, that is, unless you make a reason for them.</p>
<p>HTTP:neoneocon.com/2008/04/04/obama-as-macavity-lies-vs-misleading-generalizations/#comment-63011</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/04/03/liberals-and-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-22011</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>neoneocon.com/2007/12/31/petraeuscreighton-abrams/

was the link I tried to post to Dark.</description>
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<p>was the link I tried to post to Dark.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/04/03/liberals-and-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-22009</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exterminating enemies of humanity is a job like any other. Call it war or resistance, it still needs to be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exterminating enemies of humanity is a job like any other. Call it war or resistance, it still needs to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/04/03/liberals-and-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-22005</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sometimes I think that I don’t know the meaning of the word “war” anymore. What we’re doing in Iraq is not a war, it is a patient resistance. We are resisting fundamentalist Islam, with all its terror and complete, total oppression. In particular we are resisting Iran.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mike, that is absolutely right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sometimes I think that I don’t know the meaning of the word “war” anymore. What we’re doing in Iraq is not a war, it is a patient resistance. We are resisting fundamentalist Islam, with all its terror and complete, total oppression. In particular we are resisting Iran.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mike, that is absolutely right!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/04/03/liberals-and-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-22001</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I think that I don&#039;t know the meaning of the word &quot;war&quot; anymore.  What we&#039;re doing in Iraq is not a war, it is a patient resistance.  We are resisting fundamentalist Islam, with all its terror and complete, total oppression.  In particular we are resisting Iran.

If we unleashed all the dogs of war against every center of Islam, the resulting death and destruction would be shocking to see.  &quot;War&quot; may not be possible anymore; we are not seeing war in Iraq, I guarantee you.

It seems to me that we wait for Iran to collapse under its own contradictions.  We absorb bitter body blows, we lose our soldiers&#039; blood and we lose our treasury. Waiting, waiting, for the inevitable fatal weakness of the Iranian enemy to be exposed.

Strangely, towards the other enemy, Wahhabi fundamentalist Islam, centered in Saudi Arabia, we appear to be totally silent and gracious.  The Wahhabi enemy is the one in all the Western mosques, the one that CAIRs, the one buying our universities, the one with the English spokesmen.  And we are silent, acquiescent, even submissive to it.  Why? Oil?

Has any democracy ever succeeded in this kind of patient struggle?  I&#039;m not sure we can succeed.  It all comes down to our own willpower as the chaotic mix of individuals that we are.  Will we persevere?

This election, whether it is McCain-Obama or, less likely, McCain-Clinton will certainly tell the tale!  Our national choice will tell the tale, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I think that I don&#8217;t know the meaning of the word &#8220;war&#8221; anymore.  What we&#8217;re doing in Iraq is not a war, it is a patient resistance.  We are resisting fundamentalist Islam, with all its terror and complete, total oppression.  In particular we are resisting Iran.</p>
<p>If we unleashed all the dogs of war against every center of Islam, the resulting death and destruction would be shocking to see.  &#8220;War&#8221; may not be possible anymore; we are not seeing war in Iraq, I guarantee you.</p>
<p>It seems to me that we wait for Iran to collapse under its own contradictions.  We absorb bitter body blows, we lose our soldiers&#8217; blood and we lose our treasury. Waiting, waiting, for the inevitable fatal weakness of the Iranian enemy to be exposed.</p>
<p>Strangely, towards the other enemy, Wahhabi fundamentalist Islam, centered in Saudi Arabia, we appear to be totally silent and gracious.  The Wahhabi enemy is the one in all the Western mosques, the one that CAIRs, the one buying our universities, the one with the English spokesmen.  And we are silent, acquiescent, even submissive to it.  Why? Oil?</p>
<p>Has any democracy ever succeeded in this kind of patient struggle?  I&#8217;m not sure we can succeed.  It all comes down to our own willpower as the chaotic mix of individuals that we are.  Will we persevere?</p>
<p>This election, whether it is McCain-Obama or, less likely, McCain-Clinton will certainly tell the tale!  Our national choice will tell the tale, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/04/03/liberals-and-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-21971</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, YM, I suspect that you will agree with me that the Liberal/Democrat/Left has a stain of blood on its hands from the Vietnam era that they cannot wash off. I don&#039;t think that we can let them simply relegate that experience to the memory hole, can we?

The challenge is to make sure we don&#039;t let them repeat the same disaster in the Middle East that they foisted on us in S.E. Asia. Unfortunately, people forget and get lulled by their siren song...you know, the one sung by Obama girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, YM, I suspect that you will agree with me that the Liberal/Democrat/Left has a stain of blood on its hands from the Vietnam era that they cannot wash off. I don&#8217;t think that we can let them simply relegate that experience to the memory hole, can we?</p>
<p>The challenge is to make sure we don&#8217;t let them repeat the same disaster in the Middle East that they foisted on us in S.E. Asia. Unfortunately, people forget and get lulled by their siren song&#8230;you know, the one sung by Obama girl.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/04/03/liberals-and-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-21967</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same exact argument, that the United States were using bombs and what not to blow up innocent little Vietnamese villagers can be applied to the Soviet Empire. Except the Soviets were good and the US were evil, and we can&#039;t be helping the evil by criticizing the good, now can we Danny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same exact argument, that the United States were using bombs and what not to blow up innocent little Vietnamese villagers can be applied to the Soviet Empire. Except the Soviets were good and the US were evil, and we can&#8217;t be helping the evil by criticizing the good, now can we Danny.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/04/03/liberals-and-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-21966</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;Instead, we got shame and dishonor for abandoning them to their fates.&lt;/b&gt;

Shame and dishonor are good things, Danny. It motivates us into restoring honor through &quot;honor killings&quot; and it takes the white man and the rich down a notch.

There is a strand of society that is very self-destructive. They want to bring it all down, just because they can&#039;t stand the sight of anything built by the power of Creation.

ALso, many of the folks that wanted out of Vietnam did so based upon the argument that the VIetnamese were fighting a civil war and it was none of our business. How that explained Soviet funds, trainers, and tanks being sent down to the North Vietnamese to be used to kill and exterminate political dissidents down south even after the US left... nobody really knows enough to care about on the Left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Instead, we got shame and dishonor for abandoning them to their fates.</b></p>
<p>Shame and dishonor are good things, Danny. It motivates us into restoring honor through &#8220;honor killings&#8221; and it takes the white man and the rich down a notch.</p>
<p>There is a strand of society that is very self-destructive. They want to bring it all down, just because they can&#8217;t stand the sight of anything built by the power of Creation.</p>
<p>ALso, many of the folks that wanted out of Vietnam did so based upon the argument that the VIetnamese were fighting a civil war and it was none of our business. How that explained Soviet funds, trainers, and tanks being sent down to the North Vietnamese to be used to kill and exterminate political dissidents down south even after the US left&#8230; nobody really knows enough to care about on the Left.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/04/03/liberals-and-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-21964</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y has been trying to post a link to a neo-neocon post, but without success.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2007/12/31/petraeuscreighton-abrams/&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This is my try&lt;/a&gt;.  We&#039;re going to make it happen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y has been trying to post a link to a neo-neocon post, but without success.  <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2007/12/31/petraeuscreighton-abrams/" rel="external" rel="nofollow">This is my try</a>.  We&#8217;re going to make it happen!</p>
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