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		<title>By: echeccone</title>
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		<dc:creator>echeccone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 09:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not familiar with the World Without Jews work that you cite (I thought Marx' work was entitled On the Jewish Question), nor the quotes from the newspapers at the time.  Thanks for those citations.  I will have to read more on the subject.

I am no apologist for Marx, and I am clearly less knowledgeable than you on the topic.  And some heavy weight scholars (e.g., Bernard Lewis) agree with you on this subject.  However, a Jewish (and libertarian) professor of mine at college offered a different view.  The following article, by a former colleague of that professor, comes close to articulating it:

http://www.engageonline.org.uk/journal/index.php?journal_id=10&#38;article_id=33</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not familiar with the World Without Jews work that you cite (I thought Marx&#8217; work was entitled On the Jewish Question), nor the quotes from the newspapers at the time.  Thanks for those citations.  I will have to read more on the subject.</p>
<p>I am no apologist for Marx, and I am clearly less knowledgeable than you on the topic.  And some heavy weight scholars (e.g., Bernard Lewis) agree with you on this subject.  However, a Jewish (and libertarian) professor of mine at college offered a different view.  The following article, by a former colleague of that professor, comes close to articulating it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.engageonline.org.uk/journal/index.php?journal_id=10&amp;article_id=33" rel="nofollow">http://www.engageonline.org.uk/journal/index.php?journal_id=10&amp;article_id=33</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bookworm,

It was also Marx who said that he invented Communism (which cooked the books on all the facts and figures he used to support his "theory") as an overt attack on the God of the Jews...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bookworm,</p>
<p>It was also Marx who said that he invented Communism (which cooked the books on all the facts and figures he used to support his &#8220;theory&#8221;) as an overt attack on the God of the Jews&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, echeccone, you missed these Marxian statements:

"It is the circumvention of law that makes the religious Jew a religious Jew." (Die Deutsche Ideologie, MEGA V, 162)

"The Jews of Poland are the smeariest of all races." (Neue Rheinische Zeitung, April 29, 1849)

He called Ferdinand Lassalle, "Judel Itzig-Jewish Nigger." (Der Judische Nigger, MEKOR III, 82, July 30, 1862)

"Ramsgate is full of Jews and fleas." (MEKOR IV, 490, August 25, 1879)

"Let us look at the real Jew of our time; not the Jew of the Sabbath, whom Bauer considers, but the Jew of everyday life.

"What is the Jew's foundation in our world? Material necessity, private advantage.

"What is the object of the Jew's worship in this world? Usury. What is his worldly god? Money.

"Very well then; emancipation from usury and money, that is, from practical, real Judaism, would constitute the emancipation of our time." ("A World Without Jews," p. 37)

"What was the essential foundation of the Jewish religion? Practical needs, egotism." (Ibid, p. 40)

"Money is the zealous one God of Israel, beside which no other God may stand. Money degrades all the gods of mankind and turns them into commodities. Money is the universal and self-constituted value set upon all things. It has therefore robbed the whole world, of both nature and man, of its original value. Money is the essence of man's life and work, which have become alienated from him. This alien monster rules him and he worships it.

"The God of the Jews has become secularized and is now a worldly God. The bill of exchange is the Jew's real God. His God is the illusory bill of exchange." ("A World Without Jews," p. 41)

The only thing missing is the blood libel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, echeccone, you missed these Marxian statements:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is the circumvention of law that makes the religious Jew a religious Jew.&#8221; (Die Deutsche Ideologie, MEGA V, 162)</p>
<p>&#8220;The Jews of Poland are the smeariest of all races.&#8221; (Neue Rheinische Zeitung, April 29, 1849)</p>
<p>He called Ferdinand Lassalle, &#8220;Judel Itzig-Jewish Nigger.&#8221; (Der Judische Nigger, MEKOR III, 82, July 30, 1862)</p>
<p>&#8220;Ramsgate is full of Jews and fleas.&#8221; (MEKOR IV, 490, August 25, 1879)</p>
<p>&#8220;Let us look at the real Jew of our time; not the Jew of the Sabbath, whom Bauer considers, but the Jew of everyday life.</p>
<p>&#8220;What is the Jew&#8217;s foundation in our world? Material necessity, private advantage.</p>
<p>&#8220;What is the object of the Jew&#8217;s worship in this world? Usury. What is his worldly god? Money.</p>
<p>&#8220;Very well then; emancipation from usury and money, that is, from practical, real Judaism, would constitute the emancipation of our time.&#8221; (&#8221;A World Without Jews,&#8221; p. 37)</p>
<p>&#8220;What was the essential foundation of the Jewish religion? Practical needs, egotism.&#8221; (Ibid, p. 40)</p>
<p>&#8220;Money is the zealous one God of Israel, beside which no other God may stand. Money degrades all the gods of mankind and turns them into commodities. Money is the universal and self-constituted value set upon all things. It has therefore robbed the whole world, of both nature and man, of its original value. Money is the essence of man&#8217;s life and work, which have become alienated from him. This alien monster rules him and he worships it.</p>
<p>&#8220;The God of the Jews has become secularized and is now a worldly God. The bill of exchange is the Jew&#8217;s real God. His God is the illusory bill of exchange.&#8221; (&#8221;A World Without Jews,&#8221; p. 41)</p>
<p>The only thing missing is the blood libel.</p>
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		<title>By: echeccone</title>
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		<dc:creator>echeccone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bookworm, I hate to admit it, but I've read most of Marx's writings and I don't think he was anti-semitic, based upon his writings.  He was anti-religious, but not a racist.  This is why Jews could be accorded prestigious positions under the Marxist Soviet Union (e.g., Sakalov), which was of course impossible under the Third Reich.  I take your point that many Jews are not religious and are not pro-Israel, but are they really racist?  I mean, does Chomsky want to see all Jews pushed into the sea?  Isn't there a distinction between anti-semitism (which I thought was a form of racism) and atheism/anti-religious sentiment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bookworm, I hate to admit it, but I&#8217;ve read most of Marx&#8217;s writings and I don&#8217;t think he was anti-semitic, based upon his writings.  He was anti-religious, but not a racist.  This is why Jews could be accorded prestigious positions under the Marxist Soviet Union (e.g., Sakalov), which was of course impossible under the Third Reich.  I take your point that many Jews are not religious and are not pro-Israel, but are they really racist?  I mean, does Chomsky want to see all Jews pushed into the sea?  Isn&#8217;t there a distinction between anti-semitism (which I thought was a form of racism) and atheism/anti-religious sentiment?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 12:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Thank You Book, for not obsessively focusing on the one quoted line:
"But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy."

When you read the entire paragraph, let alone the whole article, it is absolutely clear that he is talking about the entire Palestine/Israel issue and the U.N. two-state quagmire.  He's not talking about Israel.   And yet I see sober-minded conservative bloggers, including some very top of the line ones, gleefully pouncing on this as a major faux pas.  When did conservatives become as shallow and manipulative as liberals?

You on the other hand, Book, simply called it a "bad way with words", which is the perfect description.

I'm also reminded of the brouhaha over Obama's "57 States" comments.  Some conservatives are running with it and simply having a lot of fun at his expense... but too, too many others are taking it as a sign of bobble-headed stupidity.  It's clear to me that Obama was focused on primaries and caucuses to an obsessive degree, and he was just jumbling "states" with "contests" as he was trying to piece together a response.  (Though I tried counting by hand and kept coming up with 56 contests - I'm missing one somewhere.)

Liberals will take a single event like a Pacific cyclone/hurricane and turn it into absolute proof of global warming.  Conservatives haven't tended to do this, but I'm seeing more and more of it popping up lately, and it is distressing.  It's shallow and evidences either blatant manipulation of their audience or a frightening lack of belief in bedrock conservative values.

Thanks again, Book, for not being as shallow as many of the more-popular bloggers are becoming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Thank You Book, for not obsessively focusing on the one quoted line:<br />
&#8220;But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy.&#8221;</p>
<p>When you read the entire paragraph, let alone the whole article, it is absolutely clear that he is talking about the entire Palestine/Israel issue and the U.N. two-state quagmire.  He&#8217;s not talking about Israel.   And yet I see sober-minded conservative bloggers, including some very top of the line ones, gleefully pouncing on this as a major faux pas.  When did conservatives become as shallow and manipulative as liberals?</p>
<p>You on the other hand, Book, simply called it a &#8220;bad way with words&#8221;, which is the perfect description.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also reminded of the brouhaha over Obama&#8217;s &#8220;57 States&#8221; comments.  Some conservatives are running with it and simply having a lot of fun at his expense&#8230; but too, too many others are taking it as a sign of bobble-headed stupidity.  It&#8217;s clear to me that Obama was focused on primaries and caucuses to an obsessive degree, and he was just jumbling &#8220;states&#8221; with &#8220;contests&#8221; as he was trying to piece together a response.  (Though I tried counting by hand and kept coming up with 56 contests - I&#8217;m missing one somewhere.)</p>
<p>Liberals will take a single event like a Pacific cyclone/hurricane and turn it into absolute proof of global warming.  Conservatives haven&#8217;t tended to do this, but I&#8217;m seeing more and more of it popping up lately, and it is distressing.  It&#8217;s shallow and evidences either blatant manipulation of their audience or a frightening lack of belief in bedrock conservative values.</p>
<p>Thanks again, Book, for not being as shallow as many of the more-popular bloggers are becoming!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 12:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Obama interview was positively Kerry-esque.  It took work to figure out his positions.  So many subtleties and "on the other hand" sentiments, vaguely expressed!

But he seems consistently to come out in favor of Israel's right to exist, so he's no friend to Hamas.  Then again, I don't think there's a single national politician who thinks Israel should cease to exist.

Having finally waded through all of his words, trying to figure out what the man behind the politician really thought, I was reminded of the quote by Robert Frost:

"A liberal is a man so broad-minded he refuses to take his own side in argument."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Obama interview was positively Kerry-esque.  It took work to figure out his positions.  So many subtleties and &#8220;on the other hand&#8221; sentiments, vaguely expressed!</p>
<p>But he seems consistently to come out in favor of Israel&#8217;s right to exist, so he&#8217;s no friend to Hamas.  Then again, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a single national politician who thinks Israel should cease to exist.</p>
<p>Having finally waded through all of his words, trying to figure out what the man behind the politician really thought, I was reminded of the quote by Robert Frost:</p>
<p>&#8220;A liberal is a man so broad-minded he refuses to take his own side in argument.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 11:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Book, I wish that I could be as optimistic as you about Jewish voting trend shifts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Book, I wish that I could be as optimistic as you about Jewish voting trend shifts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 05:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;Bookworm, isn’t Obama’s campaign manager, David Axelrod, Jewish?&lt;/b&gt;

That argument is similar to the line about "wasn't Benedict Arnold an American" when people are wondering about anti-Americanism and threats to America.

Yeah, he's an America. And no, he's not for America.

George Soros was a Jew that saw the Holocaust close up, except he didn't get grabbed cause he worked on paperwork and stayed secret, the former which the Germans really liked and still do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Bookworm, isn’t Obama’s campaign manager, David Axelrod, Jewish?</b></p>
<p>That argument is similar to the line about &#8220;wasn&#8217;t Benedict Arnold an American&#8221; when people are wondering about anti-Americanism and threats to America.</p>
<p>Yeah, he&#8217;s an America. And no, he&#8217;s not for America.</p>
<p>George Soros was a Jew that saw the Holocaust close up, except he didn&#8217;t get grabbed cause he worked on paperwork and stayed secret, the former which the Germans really liked and still do.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Echeccone, some of the people most invested in Israel's destruction are Jews -- Chomsky, for example.  Further, some of the most fanatic antisemites in history -- say, Karl Marx, for example -- were originally Jewish.  It's not whether they're Jewish; it's what they believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echeccone, some of the people most invested in Israel&#8217;s destruction are Jews &#8212; Chomsky, for example.  Further, some of the most fanatic antisemites in history &#8212; say, Karl Marx, for example &#8212; were originally Jewish.  It&#8217;s not whether they&#8217;re Jewish; it&#8217;s what they believe.</p>
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		<title>By: echeccone</title>
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		<dc:creator>echeccone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bookworm, isn't Obama's campaign manager, David Axelrod, Jewish?  When you say he surrounds himself routinely with people that concern you on this issue, who specifically do you mean?  I would doubt that Axelrod would tolerate anti-semitic people in the Obama campaign, even in the unlikely event that Obama would.  Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bookworm, isn&#8217;t Obama&#8217;s campaign manager, David Axelrod, Jewish?  When you say he surrounds himself routinely with people that concern you on this issue, who specifically do you mean?  I would doubt that Axelrod would tolerate anti-semitic people in the Obama campaign, even in the unlikely event that Obama would.  Thoughts?</p>
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