There won’t always be an England, Part 3481904380912 *UPDATED*
Bookworm on May 13 2008 at 8:36 am | Filed under: Britain, Crime and punishment, England
Two stories from today’s British news:
I
Two young men pounced on a stranger on a London street, stabbed him, slit his throat, and ran off, leaving him to bleed to death on the street. That’s sad, but that’s not the news. This is the news:
Britain’s most senior judge, Lord Chief Justice Phillips, has advised that those discovered with knives for the first time should escape with a community order.
He added that mitigating circumstances, such as the weapon only being carried for a short time, could even lessen the penalty to a fine.
II
A nearly-blind war veteran of 96 was snubbed by binmen who refused to empty his recycling wheelie bin because he had dropped two glass jars into it by mistake.
Great-grandad Lenny Woodward, who fought as a Desert Rat in World War Two, was confused about new recycling rules and was told the bin would not be emptied until the Nescafe and ketchup jars had been removed.
The pensioner, who walks with a stick, said it was impossible for him to bend down and retrieve the jars – and the binmen had simply left them.
[snip]
Mr Woodward’s outraged daughter and carer, Vicky Marshall, 46, added: “I am absolutely furious about this.
“You would think they would take into account that he’s 96 and that they could make some concessions for him. But I was told on the phone by the council that these were the rules and they had to be obeyed.”
To which I would add that, once you create a state in which people are denied the right to think independently, it was perfectly logical for the garbage men (and I use that term to describe both their jobs and their personalities) to teach the old guy a lesson for running counter to government decreed behavioral norms.
UPDATE: Just thought you’d find interesting that the stabbing in the first item, above, may have been very targeted. The dead man was a suspect in a horrific rape and, ironically, in a knife attack.
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You can’t seriously be talking about making “walking around with a knife” a crime ? That knife is as much (no – much more) a tool than a weapon. He could have been stabbed, just as effectively (in fact more effectively) with a broken leg of a wooden chair. You know they leave wooden splinters in the victim which are utterly guaranteed of creating a large infection within minutes.
So let’s outlaw wooden chairs.
Have you ever seen a coke can ? Make a hole with a screwdriver, and rip it open. The resulting edge is 10x sharper than any knife you will find below $200. Roll it up to give it some more solidity and wrap it around a small stick. Or rip a longer strip out of the can and glue it to a small wooden stick. There : a 30 cm long knife that rivals a scalpel in sharpness. Will cut straight through your neck, and you’re very unlikely to survive having said edge brushed by your throat.
So coke cans … outlawed.
Obviously you can do the same with a plastic bottle, except you’ll have to replace the blade more often. Or use the can to contain napalm and a small explosive. Trivially simple to make using barbecue supplies and soap. Throw that lighted into a room and half the people does not walk out alive.
You need to catch the perpetrators, and set an example. Not outlaw a tool that could even have saved the guy’s life, and thousands of people use in all sorts of activities. The tool is not the problem, nor are coke cans or plastic bottles or barbecue supplies or detergent.
Obviously if you have a leftist justice system that sees the criminals as victims, then say goodbye to justice. And please don’t pretend you can save yourself with this “no weapons” insanity.
You’re right, tomc. As good self-defense experts know, anything can be turned into a useful weapon. I think Britain has gone into “throwing out the baby with the bathwater” mode. It doesn’t seem to occur to them that, rather than reducing themselves to baby status, living in padded cities with residents limited to carrying only soft items, England might work on making its value system stronger. Of course, that requires putting faith in the individual and not the state, and I think Britain might have gone too far down that road to turn back. Maggie didn’t signal the future; she was an anomaly on the road to Oceania.
Hello Bookworm,
In your last comment you said, “living in padded cities”. I was just reminded that our Nanny state British “cousins” were literally padding up the light poles, meters and other objects with foam cushions because people were running into them while text-messaging. I guess it would cost Britain and the city of London less to pad the light poles and sharp corners than it would for all the medical expenses from concussions incurred in act in of texting and walking.
I wonder, can they still chew bubblegum and walk too?
For people to help the elderly, they first have to hold themselves to some kind of personal standard or honor. When you trust the state to take care of all things, why would you help the old in anything? That’s the job of the state, to which you are paying taxes to!
Besides, bare hands and your body weight make for a much more effective weapon than shives, scalpels, glass bottles, or brittle aluminum cans.
The guy had one chance when he was stabbed to unleash some violence on his attackers. Unfortunately, that wasn’t how things happened because the British have taught their people that against violence, all you can and should do is to sit around and take it.
In this case, sitting around and taking it on the chin meant you bled out.
Shoppers scattered as the victim stumbled and collapsed.
Another witness said: “So many people were around I can’t believe those guys thought they could get away with stabbing someone. You just don’t expect something like this to happen.”
When you have so many sheep around when a wolf takes down a lamb, why wouldn’t the wolf be able to get away?
“Shoppers scattered”, which is prototypical behavior of sheep. “Shoppers converged on the attackers and killed them/held them for the police” is indicative of a warrior or high duty society.
Detectives are today examining footage from CCTV cameras which is believed to have caught the killing on film.
A fat lot of good those secret poilce powers did him. At least Big Brother societies make for nice snuff films given the CCTV cameras. They sure as shat shouldn’t be relied upon to save lives.
A worker at the HMV music store, which is opposite McDonald’s, said: “I heard that first they stabbed him and then lunged back at him and slashed his throat. I can’t believe someone would do this in broad daylight. It could have happened to anyone of us. It could have happened to me. It’s crazy.”
No, that’s not crazy. What’s crazy is the murderers didn’t get behind the soon to be dead guy and puncture the target’s kidneys while holding the target in a head lock with the other arm.
If the murderers “lunged back” that means they actually gave you space in which to operate after they inflicted an injury on you. This means you either attack and unleash the violence on the attackers, right then, right now, or you wait to get your jugular or main artery slit open. And if they were holding you up close and personal, that just means his head, and thus eyes, are very close to both of your hands. There’s no point trying to wrestle with his arm or hand holding the knife. Pick a target you can reach and apply some injury causing force to it. Your attacker’s just a bag of meat filled with fragile components, same as you.
One puncture wound is serious, but usually it isn’t fatal. Having vital arteries or veins cut in your throat, however, is so fatal you probabably won’t live to see an ambulance.
This is a perfect example of asocial violence and criminality. Some criminals just want your money or what not and they’re using a weapon just for intimidation. Other criminals won’t even show you the knife, they’ll just walk up to you and stab you.
These kind of stabbings are popular in Sweden too. It happened in a shopping mall sometime around 9/11, with the Prime Minister or some other government official being the target.
In America, you had better be carrying some serious firepower, assault rifles, grenades, mines, truck bombs, pistols, and so forth. If you are carrying a dinky little knife, don’t be surprised when the men around you converge on you and beat you apart like a broken terror cell.
In America, people are used to firearms and the use of weapons, since they themselves use it for self-defense. This means that the habit of fighting with weapons and against weapons produce what is known as courage and self-sacrifice traits.
When you have a nation that is full of weak people who have to be protected from firearms by the govmint, then those weak people will lack the fortitude to take on enemies armed with guns. And if they are so helpless in the face of guns, why not knives as well?
Many Americans themselves will say “if banning handguns and preventing citizens, including me, from using them means less criminals will have handguns to use on me, then that’s a sacrifice I’d be willing to have others make for me”. Notice the ‘have others make for me part’ since these folks are the ones so scared of guns or weapons that they themselves won’t use handguns, so obviously it’s a good solution for them to have you sacrifice your ability to use a gun in your defense, for some immaterial benefit that they see for themselves.
Sheep and cattle and serfs don’t need weapons. They’re not warriors or citizens or militia, they’re just livestock and property. When was the last time you armed your property with mines and auto-turrets for defense? You defend your property by hiring guards, you know human beings that knows how to use their brain as weapons to protect your stuff. That’s what nobles are placed above serfs, cause nobles get to use horses and military weapons while the serfs farm in return for protection.
Many Americans have tackled and taken down, successfully, robbers armed with firearms. Few Americans will be dumb enough to use a knife to try to intimidate a worker at a counter to hand over the dollars. Why?
Cause we’re not scared of knives when we know that 1. we have superior tools such as firearms to count on and 2. criminals prefer to use handguns.
When your criminals prefer to use handguns, then seeing one with a knife means that you’re less likely to panic. And that does factor into a criminal’s risk and rewards assessment.
In a way, it is like an arms race to see who can get better armed. The citizens vs the criminals. If the United States disarmed their nukes while Russia didn’t, who would have won that arms race?
Think there’ll always be an America?
An American guy, with an American dog, in an American school, in America –
http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080512/NEWS01/105120058
And the difference between us and England would be…?
JJ,
You know, this is the question I keep running up against whenever I want to leap on my high horse and point the finger at those Brits across the pond. If the Brits and America share very similar vulnerabilities by virtue of having a shared history. Peter Hitchens said that he wrote the Abolition of Britain more as a warning to American than for his fellow Britons, which he viewed as being lost. They just haven’t performed the funerary rites yet… He said that even if the Tories win back seats in Parliament and took back the Prime Ministership, a sea change has already taken place in Britain no matter which party is in power.
Given that ALL our candidates (including McCain) are a Trilateral/ CFR card-carrying members, right now I’m just looking for the candidate who will try to preserve our national identity in the coming global world. Again, this may be cynical, but this is where I’m at.
I hear stories like this a lot about England. The leftist elitists appear to be taking over.
I like your blog, by the way. I ran into your old one earlier without having realized that you moved and commented over there. Anyway, I hope you don’t mind if I put you on my blogroll.
Y says,
When you have so many sheep around when a wolf takes down a lamb, why wouldn’t the wolf be able to get away?
(news quote)
“Shoppers scattered”, which is prototypical behavior of sheep. “Shoppers converged on the attackers and killed them/held them for the police” is indicative of a warrior or high duty society.
Detectives are today examining footage from CCTV cameras which is believed to have caught the killing on film.
A fat lot of good those secret poilce powers did him. At least Big Brother societies make for nice snuff films given the CCTV cameras. They sure as shat shouldn’t be relied upon to save lives.
Hear! Hear!
Every time I hear about a homeowner confronting the home invader with a gun, knife or club… or when I read what Y described above as “shoppers converging on the attackers and killing them”, I think, now THERE are true Americans!
A nation of sheep allow predators to thrive. A nation of shepherds – or sheepdogs! – protecting their flock, keep predators at bay. Which is more civilized – the bleating scattering of scared future victims, or the reassertion of control over predators by those who know that the predators must be confronted and stopped? Which is more civilized?
Ba-a-a-a-a-a-ah!
Well put, YM.
The dilemma we confront today is one where it is the sheepdogs that heap scorn and abuse on the sheepdogs for even pointing out that there are wolves that would do them harm. I have to wonder if what the sheep truly hate is that the mere presence of sheepdogs reminds the sheep that they are….sheep!
Unfortunately, I find myself increasingly slipping into the mindset that perhaps the sheepdogs would be well justified to let the wolves have their way now and then.
There’s no guarantee that there will always be an America, either, of course.
Most people I talk to seem to operate on the assumption that you can nibble away at this bit of freedom, and tax away that bit of individual decision-making, and control law-abiding people in this or that way, etc…….but somehow, magically, all of our liberty and opportunity will go right on, regardless.
Stupid, ignorant, historically-disproven assumption……and our stinking government schools and the ’60s-generation university profs are spreading it to virtually every young person in our country.
Not to homeschool is most often a form of child-abuse! It puts America on the road to extinction……watch Britain and see our future!
(news quote)
“Shoppers scattered”, which is prototypical behavior of sheep. “Shoppers converged on the attackers and killed them/held them for the police” is indicative of a warrior or high duty society.
You don’t seem to realize that this is illegal in England ? Equally so in most other parts of Europe.
If you kill in europe, you are guilty of murder. POINT. You can get away without punishment for self-defence or defense of others. But they’re extinuating circumstances, they don’t change “the nature of the conviction”.
People who’ve risked their life to defend themelves or someone else in Europe all have the same thing on their rap sheets : “murderer”.
Why would it be legal in a nation that treats its people like cogs to be expended? Cogs aren’t supposed to fix themselves, they’re supposed to sit there, broken, while we come in and fix them.
The fact that Europeans are mostly sheep and generating more people amongst their ever degenerating reproduction rate precisely because it is allowed to be illegal.