Comments on: Liberals and the last real war

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Fri, 23 May 2008 18:19:01 +0000

I don’t actually believe the post I wrote.

You really can’t slime your way out of statements and claims just by saying, ala Al Franken, “I was just kidding”.

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Fri, 23 May 2008 18:17:36 +0000

To say that Iraq’s former dictator and Iran’s current dictator are not like Hitler and pose a threat less than Hitler does not mean that one has not learned from history.

When you consider them less of a threat than your local ganglord, does it really matter whether you claim that you see them as a “threat” or not given the context of your claims?

By: Danny Lemieux

Danny Lemieux — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:32:09 +0000

Oooo…more on Al Franken. A true class act that should add some liveliness to the U.S. Senate, dontchathink?

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/sex-writing-by-franken-cited-in-race-2008-05-22.html

Between Al Franken, Randi Rhodes [http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/10/host-randi-rhodes-resigns-from-air-america-after-anti-clinton-rant/] and Bernie Ward [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/06/BAFHTPMQD.DTL&tsp=1],
….who’s there left to go to if your a decent, thinking Liberal/Lefty looking for thoughtful radio commentary? I can understand the frustration.

By: Danny Lemieux

Danny Lemieux — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:41:55 +0000

Echeccone, it is quite clear that Al Franken must be an enlightened paragon of liberal reason, swimming gamely in a sea of circling fascists.

Now, if only he would take his meds, not to mention pay his taxes and employees’ workers comp obligations.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/18377884.html?location_refer=Error

By: echeccone

echeccone — Fri, 23 May 2008 01:12:19 +0000

I don’t actually believe the post I wrote. It merely highlights, by mirroring, just how silly Coulter’s claim is. Like Deana, I’ve never met any conservative who thinks that the Iraq War saved 30M lives. But I also haven’t met a Liberal that thinks that another Hitler could not emerge. To say that Iraq’s former dictator and Iran’s current dictator are not like Hitler and pose a threat less than Hitler does not mean that one has not learned from history. It means that one has drawn a different balance between the risk of a false negative (Hitler) and a false positive (Saddam Hussein). The bit about Air America thinking Coulter is a fascist is true, however; I heard Franken make it.

By: Danny Lemieux

Danny Lemieux — Thu, 22 May 2008 13:57:57 +0000

“To wit, Air America’s position was that Coulter is a fascist.” Let’s see – Ann Coulter believes in smaller, more localized government, strict constructionism with regard to the constitution, the First Amendment, free-markets….a fascist? Air America’s Alice-in-Wonderland position demonstrates only the damage that it continues to do to civil discourse and the English language.

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Thu, 22 May 2008 02:46:01 +0000

I also would like to bring people’s attention to the fact that most Statists, when you threaten their beliefs and political positions, go on the attack rather than attempting to defend their own policies on the merits.

So EC, instead of defending his views on Hitler and BUsh, or differentiating his views from the Left’s view of Bushitler, went directly to the attack and parody. That is, of course, par for the course.

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Thu, 22 May 2008 02:42:59 +0000

OIF liberated 22 million people. You may ridicule the lives of 20 or 30 million people all you want, EC, but people’s lives aren’t valuable just because you think terrorism needs to kill somebody to take their life away. People’s lives are valuable because they can be improved and terrorism does not improve the life of anyone, not even the suicide bomber terrorists.

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Thu, 22 May 2008 02:40:23 +0000

Conservatives think they have an infallible ability to predict the next Hitler and act as if the pre-emptive attack on Iraq prevented the death of 30 million innocent people despite all evidence to the contrary.

This coming from a guy that ridicules body language professionals because he is totally ignorant about the field of body language study?

By: Zhombre

Zhombre — Thu, 22 May 2008 01:50:35 +0000

I never heard the meme that the invasion of Iraq prevented the death of 30 million people. I think it succeeded in ousting a belligerent, genuinely fascist Ba’ath regime that intended to restart its weapons programs as soon as sanctions were dropped. And it may yet succeed in creating a stable Iraq.