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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/08/sheep/comment-page-1/#comment-25006</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everywhere you go, the media is the same.</description>
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		<title>By: socratease</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/08/sheep/comment-page-1/#comment-24998</link>
		<dc:creator>socratease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems the warrior spirit hasn&#039;t entirely disappeared in Japan.  From &lt;a href=&quot;http://mdn.mainichi.jp/culture/waiwai/news/20080614p2g00m0dm001000c.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sankei Shinbun via Mainichi Wai Wai&lt;/a&gt;:

    &lt;blockquote&gt;Before his name appeared, he was only referred to as a patrol sergeant in the Tokyo Metropolitan Police, age 41, who was on duty at the Akihabara “koban” (police box) on June 8.

    Sergeant Ogino, who appears to be of medium build and height and who wears spectacles, is a 21-year veteran of the MPD. He is said to hold a 3rd-degree black belt in judo. The print and broadcast media has been full of photos, mostly taken at the scene by onlookers with cell phone cameras, in which he is shown pursing, confronting and overpowering Kato.

    When the trouble began, Ogino unhesitatingly took action. This, of course, is what policemen are trained to do; but putting theory into practice is not always easy. Many Japanese cops might serve for an entire career and never be called to do anything more perilous than intercept a bicycle thief.

    According to eyewitnesses, Ogino pursued Kato down a side street and confronted him with an extensible riot baton. Kato resisted, and the two clashed in what was described by one onlooker as looking like “actors in a samurai movie.”

    In a detail left out of most of the news accounts, former prosecutor Atsuyuki Sassa, a well known media commentator, wrote in the Sankei Shinbun’s June 11 “Seiron” column that sergeant’s Ogino’s protective vest was ripped at three points where Kato’s dagger had struck, but was unable to penetrate.

    While extending the riot baton in his left hand, Ogino then backed away from the perpetrator, unholstered his 9mm New Nambu revolver and ordered him to drop his knife. The assailant was then wrestled to the ground by Ogino and two other men, including an off-duty officer in plainclothes from a police station in neighboring Taito-ku Ward.

    In most countries, the name and photo of the heroic cop would be splashed on the front page of every newspaper in the city. But to the best of this writer’s knowledge, it has appeared so far in just one weekly magazine — Shukan Shincho (June 19) — and one newspaper opinion-editorial, by the abovementioned Mr. Sassa. (Who remarked in the same op-ed piece that because the “Electric Town” is a major attraction to foreign tourists, “It’s a relief at least that no foreigners were among the victims.”)

    Shukan Shincho must be credited for its efforts to go where the rest of the media has not. Its short piece (less than one full page of the magazine) quoted two police sources who favorably critiqued Ogino’s arrest technique.

    “Making a perpetrator raise both hands and then sit down on the ground presumes the use of a handgun and could be said to be American-style,” a police source tells the magazine. “This method is also okay in Japan. But Sgt. Ogino should be praised for his judgment in deciding when to draw his revolver, after he’d chased [Kato] away from the main street where there were lots of people, and confirmed that there were no civilians in the vicinity.”

    “His technique was textbook perfect,” a second police source tells the magazine, pointing to photos. “Look at the position of his riot baton. He struck the perp in the solar plexus and rammed him against the wall. He’d been rendered helpless. You can tell from the photo that [Kato] was in agony and about to crumple.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems the warrior spirit hasn&#8217;t entirely disappeared in Japan.  From <a href="http://mdn.mainichi.jp/culture/waiwai/news/20080614p2g00m0dm001000c.html" rel="nofollow">Sankei Shinbun via Mainichi Wai Wai</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Before his name appeared, he was only referred to as a patrol sergeant in the Tokyo Metropolitan Police, age 41, who was on duty at the Akihabara “koban” (police box) on June 8.</p>
<p>    Sergeant Ogino, who appears to be of medium build and height and who wears spectacles, is a 21-year veteran of the MPD. He is said to hold a 3rd-degree black belt in judo. The print and broadcast media has been full of photos, mostly taken at the scene by onlookers with cell phone cameras, in which he is shown pursing, confronting and overpowering Kato.</p>
<p>    When the trouble began, Ogino unhesitatingly took action. This, of course, is what policemen are trained to do; but putting theory into practice is not always easy. Many Japanese cops might serve for an entire career and never be called to do anything more perilous than intercept a bicycle thief.</p>
<p>    According to eyewitnesses, Ogino pursued Kato down a side street and confronted him with an extensible riot baton. Kato resisted, and the two clashed in what was described by one onlooker as looking like “actors in a samurai movie.”</p>
<p>    In a detail left out of most of the news accounts, former prosecutor Atsuyuki Sassa, a well known media commentator, wrote in the Sankei Shinbun’s June 11 “Seiron” column that sergeant’s Ogino’s protective vest was ripped at three points where Kato’s dagger had struck, but was unable to penetrate.</p>
<p>    While extending the riot baton in his left hand, Ogino then backed away from the perpetrator, unholstered his 9mm New Nambu revolver and ordered him to drop his knife. The assailant was then wrestled to the ground by Ogino and two other men, including an off-duty officer in plainclothes from a police station in neighboring Taito-ku Ward.</p>
<p>    In most countries, the name and photo of the heroic cop would be splashed on the front page of every newspaper in the city. But to the best of this writer’s knowledge, it has appeared so far in just one weekly magazine — Shukan Shincho (June 19) — and one newspaper opinion-editorial, by the abovementioned Mr. Sassa. (Who remarked in the same op-ed piece that because the “Electric Town” is a major attraction to foreign tourists, “It’s a relief at least that no foreigners were among the victims.”)</p>
<p>    Shukan Shincho must be credited for its efforts to go where the rest of the media has not. Its short piece (less than one full page of the magazine) quoted two police sources who favorably critiqued Ogino’s arrest technique.</p>
<p>    “Making a perpetrator raise both hands and then sit down on the ground presumes the use of a handgun and could be said to be American-style,” a police source tells the magazine. “This method is also okay in Japan. But Sgt. Ogino should be praised for his judgment in deciding when to draw his revolver, after he’d chased [Kato] away from the main street where there were lots of people, and confirmed that there were no civilians in the vicinity.”</p>
<p>    “His technique was textbook perfect,” a second police source tells the magazine, pointing to photos. “Look at the position of his riot baton. He struck the perp in the solar plexus and rammed him against the wall. He’d been rendered helpless. You can tell from the photo that [Kato] was in agony and about to crumple.”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/08/sheep/comment-page-1/#comment-24715</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will depend on what the jury can be convinced of. Given that a jury is much like the majority of citizens in a democracy, in that they can be convinced of anything so long as the attempt is correctly made, all you need is the correct resources and lawyers.

The law may be designed to protect people, but that&#039;s in the court room. That&#039;s non-existent in the real world. So even though you might get a chance of justice in the court room if you killed the murderer, the murderer was guaranteed freedom out of the court room. Given those odds, the law abiding citizen will always lose out to the law in the long run. The state may win in the long run, but that&#039;s of little comfort to the current generation and the current targets.

Concerning British law, the prosecutors would have slapped the illegal firearms carrier with illegal firearms carrying and with the intent to kill. They would also have slapped on unjustified and &quot;disproportional force&quot; charges.

While British law deals with knife killings, what the people in the British law system really cares about is bureaucratic legislation and regulations. It doesn&#039;t matter so much whether someone has killed or not, what matters is how they have killed and for what reasons. Since Sharia has had most of the success in convincing the British law enforcers and legislators that Sharia is justified killing and Sharia justifies causing destruction, it is very easy to see how the British will lash out more against the law abiding citizens should they violate a regulation or law. Since the Brits can&#039;t go into Muslim enclaves, they have to beat on their own to relieve the feeling of helplessness.

Tony Martin is only one example, and he was wayy back when Sharia wasn&#039;t much on the scene. Consider the changes to British law given current events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will depend on what the jury can be convinced of. Given that a jury is much like the majority of citizens in a democracy, in that they can be convinced of anything so long as the attempt is correctly made, all you need is the correct resources and lawyers.</p>
<p>The law may be designed to protect people, but that&#8217;s in the court room. That&#8217;s non-existent in the real world. So even though you might get a chance of justice in the court room if you killed the murderer, the murderer was guaranteed freedom out of the court room. Given those odds, the law abiding citizen will always lose out to the law in the long run. The state may win in the long run, but that&#8217;s of little comfort to the current generation and the current targets.</p>
<p>Concerning British law, the prosecutors would have slapped the illegal firearms carrier with illegal firearms carrying and with the intent to kill. They would also have slapped on unjustified and &#8220;disproportional force&#8221; charges.</p>
<p>While British law deals with knife killings, what the people in the British law system really cares about is bureaucratic legislation and regulations. It doesn&#8217;t matter so much whether someone has killed or not, what matters is how they have killed and for what reasons. Since Sharia has had most of the success in convincing the British law enforcers and legislators that Sharia is justified killing and Sharia justifies causing destruction, it is very easy to see how the British will lash out more against the law abiding citizens should they violate a regulation or law. Since the Brits can&#8217;t go into Muslim enclaves, they have to beat on their own to relieve the feeling of helplessness.</p>
<p>Tony Martin is only one example, and he was wayy back when Sharia wasn&#8217;t much on the scene. Consider the changes to British law given current events.</p>
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		<title>By: ProtestShooter</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/08/sheep/comment-page-1/#comment-24697</link>
		<dc:creator>ProtestShooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine if somebody had been illegally carrying and had shot the bastard after, oh, five people had been stabbed (so there&#039;s no question of his intention). Would the guy with the gun have been hailed as a hero for saving the other dozen folks from being stabbed or attacked as a villain for having a gun?

I recently witnessed a robbery where I was too far away to do anything - but somebody snatched and grabbed something and ran through a crowd.  Luckily one person realized what happened and stopped him before he got too far through the crowd but the victim and her husband and the first few bystanders just stood there stunned even after he was stopped and it took them a good 30 seconds to realize what had happened and move at all.  If the person who stopped the robber was relying on backup from the crowd it wouldn&#039;t have been there in time - luckily it wasn&#039;t necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if somebody had been illegally carrying and had shot the bastard after, oh, five people had been stabbed (so there&#8217;s no question of his intention). Would the guy with the gun have been hailed as a hero for saving the other dozen folks from being stabbed or attacked as a villain for having a gun?</p>
<p>I recently witnessed a robbery where I was too far away to do anything &#8211; but somebody snatched and grabbed something and ran through a crowd.  Luckily one person realized what happened and stopped him before he got too far through the crowd but the victim and her husband and the first few bystanders just stood there stunned even after he was stopped and it took them a good 30 seconds to realize what had happened and move at all.  If the person who stopped the robber was relying on backup from the crowd it wouldn&#8217;t have been there in time &#8211; luckily it wasn&#8217;t necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/08/sheep/comment-page-1/#comment-24626</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheep can be turned into killers if you file their teeth into fangs and attach claws to their feet and limbs.

Or maybe not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheep can be turned into killers if you file their teeth into fangs and attach claws to their feet and limbs.</p>
<p>Or maybe not.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/08/sheep/comment-page-1/#comment-24614</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A recent article indicated that everyone tried to flee the knife-wielding attacker.  No one resisted him.  Sheep indeed.

Here&#039;s a blurb from that article:
&lt;b&gt;The attack has led to a new bout of soul-searching in a country that prides itself on personal safety, but the Japanese government indicated Monday that it will consider tightening restrictions on access to knives with large blades.&lt;/b&gt;

Here in the USA we are under pressure from gun-control advocates who claim, &quot;If only we can take the guns away from the people, we&#039;ll all be safer!  Let the police handle it.&quot;

In Japan they&#039;re a few steps ahead of us.  And you can see the result.  Now they are going to ban &quot;large knives&quot;, in order to protect the people.  My god, what about samurai swords?  Think of the lost heritage.  I know, I know it&#039;s all about &quot;knife conceal and carry&quot; laws.

Eventually they will ban frozen potatoes and towels because someone will wrap a frozen potato in a towel and, whipping it in a frenzy about his head, will go on a rampage.

The control advocates, at least in Japan, have progressed to the banning of knives.  The people take no responsibility for their own safety, believing that the police can protect them, when in reality police can only investigate whatever the crime is AFTER it has been committed, and via apprehensions and convictions hope to keep society stable.

I&#039;ve said it before, it&#039;s worth saying again:  If I have the choice of attending a university class in a lecture hall, and I must choose between the one where guns are not allowed, and the one where the guns are legally allowed and about five or ten of the students are likely to be carrying, I&#039;ll take the class where they are CARRYING.  And feel much, much safer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent article indicated that everyone tried to flee the knife-wielding attacker.  No one resisted him.  Sheep indeed.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a blurb from that article:<br />
<b>The attack has led to a new bout of soul-searching in a country that prides itself on personal safety, but the Japanese government indicated Monday that it will consider tightening restrictions on access to knives with large blades.</b></p>
<p>Here in the USA we are under pressure from gun-control advocates who claim, &#8220;If only we can take the guns away from the people, we&#8217;ll all be safer!  Let the police handle it.&#8221;</p>
<p>In Japan they&#8217;re a few steps ahead of us.  And you can see the result.  Now they are going to ban &#8220;large knives&#8221;, in order to protect the people.  My god, what about samurai swords?  Think of the lost heritage.  I know, I know it&#8217;s all about &#8220;knife conceal and carry&#8221; laws.</p>
<p>Eventually they will ban frozen potatoes and towels because someone will wrap a frozen potato in a towel and, whipping it in a frenzy about his head, will go on a rampage.</p>
<p>The control advocates, at least in Japan, have progressed to the banning of knives.  The people take no responsibility for their own safety, believing that the police can protect them, when in reality police can only investigate whatever the crime is AFTER it has been committed, and via apprehensions and convictions hope to keep society stable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said it before, it&#8217;s worth saying again:  If I have the choice of attending a university class in a lecture hall, and I must choose between the one where guns are not allowed, and the one where the guns are legally allowed and about five or ten of the students are likely to be carrying, I&#8217;ll take the class where they are CARRYING.  And feel much, much safer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/08/sheep/comment-page-1/#comment-24596</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;A person with bare hands will be avoided if he is seen walking or running in your direction. A person with a knife will be avoided with more distance on sight. A person with a gun creates even more distance.&lt;/b&gt;

Just click on the Breitbart link. Watch the Brownian Motion take effect. Watch how the sheep huddle together and move away or closer depending on where the wolf is going.

It&#039;s an amazing herd instinct, people. Ain&#039;t no wolf pack, that&#039;s for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>A person with bare hands will be avoided if he is seen walking or running in your direction. A person with a knife will be avoided with more distance on sight. A person with a gun creates even more distance.</b></p>
<p>Just click on the Breitbart link. Watch the Brownian Motion take effect. Watch how the sheep huddle together and move away or closer depending on where the wolf is going.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an amazing herd instinct, people. Ain&#8217;t no wolf pack, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/08/sheep/comment-page-1/#comment-24595</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 03:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those that say guns kill more than knives. Consider the scoreboard.

Police with many many guns=0 

One guy with a knife chasing down people armed with bare hands=17 casualties

Man, those guns really do kill more people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those that say guns kill more than knives. Consider the scoreboard.</p>
<p>Police with many many guns=0 </p>
<p>One guy with a knife chasing down people armed with bare hands=17 casualties</p>
<p>Man, those guns really do kill more people!</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/08/sheep/comment-page-1/#comment-24594</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 03:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, if there was a true citizen around this knife wielder, he would have executed the knife wielder and saved the state, his fellow citizens, and all of humanity a great deal of trouble, misery, strife, discord, and tragedy.

That is a citizen&#039;s true duty: to uphold the safety, values, and continuity of their society and nation. Military service is only a small small facet of this duty. Unfortunately, people have been convinced that you can be a parasite and let the police, FBI, and military do things just because you&#039;re a civilian. Will Leftist wonders never cease.

That is why power comes from the citizens and the people in democracies and republics. If you act like sheep, how can you expect any kind of &quot;power&quot; to come from you? Power don&#039;t come from sheep, power comes from the wool sheared off of sheep and the meat that is stripped off of sheep to be used to power a predator&#039;s metabolism.

PS. I was refering to the case brought up about a hostage that was passive from Japan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, if there was a true citizen around this knife wielder, he would have executed the knife wielder and saved the state, his fellow citizens, and all of humanity a great deal of trouble, misery, strife, discord, and tragedy.</p>
<p>That is a citizen&#8217;s true duty: to uphold the safety, values, and continuity of their society and nation. Military service is only a small small facet of this duty. Unfortunately, people have been convinced that you can be a parasite and let the police, FBI, and military do things just because you&#8217;re a civilian. Will Leftist wonders never cease.</p>
<p>That is why power comes from the citizens and the people in democracies and republics. If you act like sheep, how can you expect any kind of &#8220;power&#8221; to come from you? Power don&#8217;t come from sheep, power comes from the wool sheared off of sheep and the meat that is stripped off of sheep to be used to power a predator&#8217;s metabolism.</p>
<p>PS. I was refering to the case brought up about a hostage that was passive from Japan.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/08/sheep/comment-page-1/#comment-24593</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 03:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My pleasure, Y.  I appreciate your letting me know what&#039;s going on when my attention wanders....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pleasure, Y.  I appreciate your letting me know what&#8217;s going on when my attention wanders&#8230;.</p>
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