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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s not God&#8217;s will any more *UPDATED*</title>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/12/its-not-gods-will-any-more/comment-page-1/#comment-24995</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally found it...

http://skyepuppy.blogspot.com/2006/07/feeling-small.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally found it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tomc</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/12/its-not-gods-will-any-more/comment-page-1/#comment-24929</link>
		<dc:creator>tomc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people seem to be confused about just what people want to control by painting their own will as &quot;God&#039;s will&quot;.

Yes they want to control everything. However they want this control through control of others.

It baffles one how you can live inside a city, where even the weather&#039;s impact is at least reduced, night is brighter as day and no visible animal can move outside of human control, and doubt that humans have indeed control over &quot;everything&quot;.

The problem is your perception of everything. Yes everything includes the sun, the stars, the ... in your imagination. However, to postmodernists, &quot;everything&quot; is simply everything concrete that hits, not their imagination, for they don&#039;t have any, but only their eyes, ears and how soft it feels on their lazy ass.

&quot;Everything&quot; to a postmodernist locked in a small room is 4 walls a floor and a ceiling. &quot;Everything&quot; to a postmodernist living in a city is about 5000 people.

That&#039;s what they want to control. Think it&#039;s unachieveable ? Think again.

The next time a postmodernist professor of a university makes the &quot;matrix&quot; argument, you should listen. Not because you believe the nonsense he talks, but merely to know how they think. Confront him with the subtle fact that it&#039;s totally at odds with science and watch him come up with dozens of arguments (most likely quantum mechanics) that are utterly useless for defending his point. (learn for example what &quot;observation&quot; means in quantum mechanics, namely the exchange of photons between elementary particles, and what it doesn&#039;t mean : the only way his theories would hold up is if it is EXCLUSIVELY interaction with his mind that would constitute observation)

They are merely using their &quot;religion&quot; of totalitarian science (science with the essential basis of science removed : with doubt removed), to elevate HIMSELF to the status of God (to a postmodernist there is only one human alive : he himself, so there is only one entity in the world with human rights for example : he himself)

Remember in your discussions that the argument for the correctness of mathematics is the EXACT same argument that proves the existence of God : both exist because they&#039;re part of your assumptions. Except the assumption of God actually helps you live your life, while science leaves you struggling alone in the cold, and &quot;proves&quot; that battle can only be lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people seem to be confused about just what people want to control by painting their own will as &#8220;God&#8217;s will&#8221;.</p>
<p>Yes they want to control everything. However they want this control through control of others.</p>
<p>It baffles one how you can live inside a city, where even the weather&#8217;s impact is at least reduced, night is brighter as day and no visible animal can move outside of human control, and doubt that humans have indeed control over &#8220;everything&#8221;.</p>
<p>The problem is your perception of everything. Yes everything includes the sun, the stars, the &#8230; in your imagination. However, to postmodernists, &#8220;everything&#8221; is simply everything concrete that hits, not their imagination, for they don&#8217;t have any, but only their eyes, ears and how soft it feels on their lazy ass.</p>
<p>&#8220;Everything&#8221; to a postmodernist locked in a small room is 4 walls a floor and a ceiling. &#8220;Everything&#8221; to a postmodernist living in a city is about 5000 people.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what they want to control. Think it&#8217;s unachieveable ? Think again.</p>
<p>The next time a postmodernist professor of a university makes the &#8220;matrix&#8221; argument, you should listen. Not because you believe the nonsense he talks, but merely to know how they think. Confront him with the subtle fact that it&#8217;s totally at odds with science and watch him come up with dozens of arguments (most likely quantum mechanics) that are utterly useless for defending his point. (learn for example what &#8220;observation&#8221; means in quantum mechanics, namely the exchange of photons between elementary particles, and what it doesn&#8217;t mean : the only way his theories would hold up is if it is EXCLUSIVELY interaction with his mind that would constitute observation)</p>
<p>They are merely using their &#8220;religion&#8221; of totalitarian science (science with the essential basis of science removed : with doubt removed), to elevate HIMSELF to the status of God (to a postmodernist there is only one human alive : he himself, so there is only one entity in the world with human rights for example : he himself)</p>
<p>Remember in your discussions that the argument for the correctness of mathematics is the EXACT same argument that proves the existence of God : both exist because they&#8217;re part of your assumptions. Except the assumption of God actually helps you live your life, while science leaves you struggling alone in the cold, and &#8220;proves&#8221; that battle can only be lost.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/12/its-not-gods-will-any-more/comment-page-1/#comment-24849</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;99% of these people can’t even do high level mathematics, yet believe they know the will of God?&gt;&gt;

Heh.  Somewhere on line, there&#039;s a group of photographs (real or theorized, I don&#039;t know) which gives relative comparative sizes of earth, the sun, the galaxy, the milky way, some other monster planet...I don&#039;t even remember them all.  A total of either 8 or 10, I think.  At the end, the earth was a pinpoint - scarcely visible.  And I&#039;m just a tiny speck on that pinpoint.  I just gave up at that point.  Guess what - there&#039;s stuff I just don&#039;t know and never will!  What arrogance we humans have to think we control _anything_!!!  
I&#039;ll see if I can find the link - it was pretty cool...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;99% of these people can’t even do high level mathematics, yet believe they know the will of God?&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Heh.  Somewhere on line, there&#8217;s a group of photographs (real or theorized, I don&#8217;t know) which gives relative comparative sizes of earth, the sun, the galaxy, the milky way, some other monster planet&#8230;I don&#8217;t even remember them all.  A total of either 8 or 10, I think.  At the end, the earth was a pinpoint &#8211; scarcely visible.  And I&#8217;m just a tiny speck on that pinpoint.  I just gave up at that point.  Guess what &#8211; there&#8217;s stuff I just don&#8217;t know and never will!  What arrogance we humans have to think we control _anything_!!!<br />
I&#8217;ll see if I can find the link &#8211; it was pretty cool&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little bitty mortals cannot know the will of any god, let alone an omnipotent or omniscient one.

99% of these people can&#039;t even do high level mathematics, yet believe they know the will of God?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little bitty mortals cannot know the will of any god, let alone an omnipotent or omniscient one.</p>
<p>99% of these people can&#8217;t even do high level mathematics, yet believe they know the will of God?</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captain Planet, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LET3nCX8x0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;

You know you want to want the theme song.

I remember watching these back in the 90s. 

Oh well, I suppose it&#039;s a natural part of the indoctrination program all post Vietnam generation members had from tv. Sometimes it doesn&#039;t take though, although in my case, conservation may not be the rule but because of my home country, I learned not to waste things for no purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captain Planet, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LET3nCX8x0" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>You know you want to want the theme song.</p>
<p>I remember watching these back in the 90s. </p>
<p>Oh well, I suppose it&#8217;s a natural part of the indoctrination program all post Vietnam generation members had from tv. Sometimes it doesn&#8217;t take though, although in my case, conservation may not be the rule but because of my home country, I learned not to waste things for no purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Human beings want to be in control.  We are _such_ narcissists!  It&#039;s an interesting thing that in islam and in Christianity, submission to the will of God is imperative.  In the islamic, it often seems to result in people doing nothing - waiting for God to do whatever(though that doesn&#039;t seem to apply to war and conversions!).  Christians, on the other hand, (mostly) have an attitude of &quot;pray as if everything depends on God, and work as if everything depends on _you_&quot;.  The submission factor is seen as necessary to prevent just the sort of narcissism as is envisioned by Global Warming - that we can control such massive things in our environment - but I find the different approachs interesting.  
I find fault with the &quot;it is the will of God&quot; appproach though - I believe He sets the laws in motion, but saying that it&#039;s &quot;His will&quot; gives the idea that bad things that happen are deliberate actions on His part.  And _that_ I don&#039;t believe or accept.  Puny little beings that we are, sometimes we just are in the wrong place at the wrong times.  If we weren&#039;t there at that wrong moment, no doubt we&#039;d be in awe at the wonder of nature!  We tend to call anything we don&#039;t like &quot;evil&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human beings want to be in control.  We are _such_ narcissists!  It&#8217;s an interesting thing that in islam and in Christianity, submission to the will of God is imperative.  In the islamic, it often seems to result in people doing nothing &#8211; waiting for God to do whatever(though that doesn&#8217;t seem to apply to war and conversions!).  Christians, on the other hand, (mostly) have an attitude of &#8220;pray as if everything depends on God, and work as if everything depends on _you_&#8221;.  The submission factor is seen as necessary to prevent just the sort of narcissism as is envisioned by Global Warming &#8211; that we can control such massive things in our environment &#8211; but I find the different approachs interesting.<br />
I find fault with the &#8220;it is the will of God&#8221; appproach though &#8211; I believe He sets the laws in motion, but saying that it&#8217;s &#8220;His will&#8221; gives the idea that bad things that happen are deliberate actions on His part.  And _that_ I don&#8217;t believe or accept.  Puny little beings that we are, sometimes we just are in the wrong place at the wrong times.  If we weren&#8217;t there at that wrong moment, no doubt we&#8217;d be in awe at the wonder of nature!  We tend to call anything we don&#8217;t like &#8220;evil&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gringo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gringo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if tornadoes never occurred before! The irony here is that those making such claims ( your first link) believe that they are not only rational beings, but more rational than most. They view themselves as definitely more rational than those Bible-thumping knuckle-dragging Bushhitlerian idjits.

I am reminded of the response of many in earthquake zones in Central America, who state that an earthquake is God&#039;s way of punishing them for their sins. Others would hold the view that earthquakes are a consequence of plate tectonics, not of individual or collective acts of sin.

Those who believe that the tornado  resulting in the death of the Scouts was a consequence of global warming should ask themselves to what degree that belief differs from those who believe that earthquakes punish sinners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if tornadoes never occurred before! The irony here is that those making such claims ( your first link) believe that they are not only rational beings, but more rational than most. They view themselves as definitely more rational than those Bible-thumping knuckle-dragging Bushhitlerian idjits.</p>
<p>I am reminded of the response of many in earthquake zones in Central America, who state that an earthquake is God&#8217;s way of punishing them for their sins. Others would hold the view that earthquakes are a consequence of plate tectonics, not of individual or collective acts of sin.</p>
<p>Those who believe that the tornado  resulting in the death of the Scouts was a consequence of global warming should ask themselves to what degree that belief differs from those who believe that earthquakes punish sinners.</p>
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