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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;Did I actually fall straight backwards demonstrating trust?&lt;/b&gt;

Since you were ordered to do so, that's not so much trust as obedience. Like say, when a civilian orders the military to disperse unarmed protestors. Is it cause the military trusts the civilian not to be corrupt and looking out for number one? No, it is cause the military is obedient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Did I actually fall straight backwards demonstrating trust?</b></p>
<p>Since you were ordered to do so, that&#8217;s not so much trust as obedience. Like say, when a civilian orders the military to disperse unarmed protestors. Is it cause the military trusts the civilian not to be corrupt and looking out for number one? No, it is cause the military is obedient.</p>
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		<title>By: gkong3</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/21/teaching-kids-how-to-lose/#comment-25204</link>
		<dc:creator>gkong3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. I remember when I was inline for selection as a prefect (hall/class monitors for you Americans, I think), we had a 'prefect's camp' whereby we did a campout on school grounds for two days over the holidays.

Part of what we had to do was a mini-bootcamp, which included having us trust our fellow inductees to catch us when we fall backwards off a table.

Well, my head must have been top-heavy, because the girl who was supposed to catch it slipped (or let go). I could feel the concussion coming on as my body slid inexorably towards the floor.

Hmm. Would I have wanted to do this again? Heck, no! Did I do this again? You're durned right! Was it because the Head Teacher of Prefects forced me and her into the same positions again? You got it! Did I actually fall straight backwards demonstrating trust? Well... they all said I did. For myself, if I ever sound retarded, you now know why.

Sometimes, you just gotta let yer kids refrain from doing stupid stuff like that. Again. Although I grant you I learnt from that incident that mankind is inherently treacherous, evil, vile and utterly untrustworthy, because we will all at one time or another fail to uphold each other, and that only God is entirely worthy of trust. So, it wasn't so bad.

Actually, you do not want to teach a kid how to lose. You want to teach them how to put that loss behind them, learn from it, and BEAT (not beat UP, unless it was a boxing competition) the SOB the next time round. Sorta like, I don't want to learn how to die. Or even die gracefully. I want to learn how to live. To accept that death is inevitable, perhaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. I remember when I was inline for selection as a prefect (hall/class monitors for you Americans, I think), we had a &#8216;prefect&#8217;s camp&#8217; whereby we did a campout on school grounds for two days over the holidays.</p>
<p>Part of what we had to do was a mini-bootcamp, which included having us trust our fellow inductees to catch us when we fall backwards off a table.</p>
<p>Well, my head must have been top-heavy, because the girl who was supposed to catch it slipped (or let go). I could feel the concussion coming on as my body slid inexorably towards the floor.</p>
<p>Hmm. Would I have wanted to do this again? Heck, no! Did I do this again? You&#8217;re durned right! Was it because the Head Teacher of Prefects forced me and her into the same positions again? You got it! Did I actually fall straight backwards demonstrating trust? Well&#8230; they all said I did. For myself, if I ever sound retarded, you now know why.</p>
<p>Sometimes, you just gotta let yer kids refrain from doing stupid stuff like that. Again. Although I grant you I learnt from that incident that mankind is inherently treacherous, evil, vile and utterly untrustworthy, because we will all at one time or another fail to uphold each other, and that only God is entirely worthy of trust. So, it wasn&#8217;t so bad.</p>
<p>Actually, you do not want to teach a kid how to lose. You want to teach them how to put that loss behind them, learn from it, and BEAT (not beat UP, unless it was a boxing competition) the SOB the next time round. Sorta like, I don&#8217;t want to learn how to die. Or even die gracefully. I want to learn how to live. To accept that death is inevitable, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/21/teaching-kids-how-to-lose/#comment-25202</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;The end result is that my default mode is to be a whiny quitter.  It’s only by high effort from my adult brain that I’m not a whiny, quitting adult.  I do stick with things, but it’s not easy.&lt;/b&gt;

It's not a habit to stick with things after your experiences. The longer you hold to a habit, the more effort it will take to resist it. And the younger you obtain that habit, the more times you will revert even if you have made some progress against that habit later on.

Habits are survival orientated mechanisms that are inlaid over our nervous systems. The more you do an action the same way, with the same thinking and feeling each time, the  deeper it sets in your physiological makeup. This is why acquiring habits while young, is such a permanent make up. Smoking goes for years and addicts and is a bad habit to cut, but at least smokers didn't grow up chain smoking or what not since they were six or something.

&lt;B&gt;As for me, I was stuck trying to explain to my daughter why someone yelled at her for being happy.&lt;/b&gt;

I hope you told her that in this world, some people can only be happy by making you miserable. They acquire happiness through theft and violence, rather than creation and capitalism.

When they are bereft and alone, if they are unable to find an easy resolution to their problems and whims, they will turn on you because you look like you have the golden touch to them. And if you have such wealth, then you shouldn't mind giving some of it to the loser via sympathy or consideration or praises even.

&lt;B&gt;It’s also good for my daughter to learn that not everyone is as tough as she is and to develop the compassion to deal with them&lt;/b&gt;

Compassion is naturally a gift of the strong to the weak. As it should be.

&lt;B&gt;I am very, very happy to report that my friend herself figured out that her daughter needs to toughen up.&lt;/b&gt;

That's only ever going to happen through action. And it doesn't particularly matter what motivates that action, so long as it is done enough times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The end result is that my default mode is to be a whiny quitter.  It’s only by high effort from my adult brain that I’m not a whiny, quitting adult.  I do stick with things, but it’s not easy.</b></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a habit to stick with things after your experiences. The longer you hold to a habit, the more effort it will take to resist it. And the younger you obtain that habit, the more times you will revert even if you have made some progress against that habit later on.</p>
<p>Habits are survival orientated mechanisms that are inlaid over our nervous systems. The more you do an action the same way, with the same thinking and feeling each time, the  deeper it sets in your physiological makeup. This is why acquiring habits while young, is such a permanent make up. Smoking goes for years and addicts and is a bad habit to cut, but at least smokers didn&#8217;t grow up chain smoking or what not since they were six or something.</p>
<p><b>As for me, I was stuck trying to explain to my daughter why someone yelled at her for being happy.</b></p>
<p>I hope you told her that in this world, some people can only be happy by making you miserable. They acquire happiness through theft and violence, rather than creation and capitalism.</p>
<p>When they are bereft and alone, if they are unable to find an easy resolution to their problems and whims, they will turn on you because you look like you have the golden touch to them. And if you have such wealth, then you shouldn&#8217;t mind giving some of it to the loser via sympathy or consideration or praises even.</p>
<p><b>It’s also good for my daughter to learn that not everyone is as tough as she is and to develop the compassion to deal with them</b></p>
<p>Compassion is naturally a gift of the strong to the weak. As it should be.</p>
<p><b>I am very, very happy to report that my friend herself figured out that her daughter needs to toughen up.</b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s only ever going to happen through action. And it doesn&#8217;t particularly matter what motivates that action, so long as it is done enough times.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought that one of the reasons for school sports was to teach good sportsmanship. Today that reason seems to have been replaced by things like winning a scholarship and making the pros. I am not a big sports fan myself, but I love it when an athlete or a team shows real character. I loved the movie "Chariots of Fire,"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought that one of the reasons for school sports was to teach good sportsmanship. Today that reason seems to have been replaced by things like winning a scholarship and making the pros. I am not a big sports fan myself, but I love it when an athlete or a team shows real character. I loved the movie &#8220;Chariots of Fire,&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62;one of 6 kids in his family&#62;&#62;

I wonder if the prevalence of small families isn't a factor as well.  Sort of from an "all your eggs in one basket" mindset, partly from the recognition that kids will be kids, and when they're _all_ your own, you can't "accuse" someone elses's kids of over-roughness, cheating, whatever.

&#62;&#62;I suppose that it takes just one short step for a whiny kid in the habit of going to Mommy for solace and comfort to graduate to being an “adult” used to going to the government for solace and comfort.&#62;&#62;

Think you're on to something there, Danny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;one of 6 kids in his family&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>I wonder if the prevalence of small families isn&#8217;t a factor as well.  Sort of from an &#8220;all your eggs in one basket&#8221; mindset, partly from the recognition that kids will be kids, and when they&#8217;re _all_ your own, you can&#8217;t &#8220;accuse&#8221; someone elses&#8217;s kids of over-roughness, cheating, whatever.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;I suppose that it takes just one short step for a whiny kid in the habit of going to Mommy for solace and comfort to graduate to being an “adult” used to going to the government for solace and comfort.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Think you&#8217;re on to something there, Danny.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose that it takes just one short step for a whiny kid in the habit of  going to Mommy for solace and comfort to graduate to being an "adult" used to going to the government for solace and comfort. 

Democrats in training, all.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/west_answers_obamarun_as_a_man.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose that it takes just one short step for a whiny kid in the habit of  going to Mommy for solace and comfort to graduate to being an &#8220;adult&#8221; used to going to the government for solace and comfort. </p>
<p>Democrats in training, all.<br />
<a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/west_answers_obamarun_as_a_man.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/west_answers_obamarun_as_a_man.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: pondering penguin</title>
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		<dc:creator>pondering penguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post is so true.  My son is an only child and I found early on that it is the parents that have to learn the lessons first and then be strong enough to let their children experience failure.  And sport injuries aren't avoidable.  My son played soccer, as was all the rage in our community at the time (he's 18 now and about to enter college in August).  A lesson I learned from another mom was about allowing injuries without freaking out.  Her son was on my son's team and her son (one of 6 kids in his family) was hit by the soccer ball so hard that he fell to the ground.  They were little guys - first graders - and we moms watching the game all stood up in the bleachers and went into panic mode.  She, however, calmly stood up, walked a little briskly across the field to him, hugged him, patted him on the butt, and sent him to the team bench while telling the coach to get him back in when he was needed.  We asked her what she said to him when she returned.  She told him to SHAKE IT OFF!!  Lesson learned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post is so true.  My son is an only child and I found early on that it is the parents that have to learn the lessons first and then be strong enough to let their children experience failure.  And sport injuries aren&#8217;t avoidable.  My son played soccer, as was all the rage in our community at the time (he&#8217;s 18 now and about to enter college in August).  A lesson I learned from another mom was about allowing injuries without freaking out.  Her son was on my son&#8217;s team and her son (one of 6 kids in his family) was hit by the soccer ball so hard that he fell to the ground.  They were little guys - first graders - and we moms watching the game all stood up in the bleachers and went into panic mode.  She, however, calmly stood up, walked a little briskly across the field to him, hugged him, patted him on the butt, and sent him to the team bench while telling the coach to get him back in when he was needed.  We asked her what she said to him when she returned.  She told him to SHAKE IT OFF!!  Lesson learned.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many parents are concened to the point of obsession that their kids get the credentials and "skills" necessary for success in life...what they too often fail to see the importance of metaskills, or what used to be called "character."

My experience in business is that when people fail--at least, past a certain level--the reason is usually not that they lack specific skills or degrees/certifications. It is usually something like an inability to listen to criticism, or to empathize with others, or to recover from a setback.

I have an extensive and depressing collection of posts on the damage done by ill-thought-out approaches to "self-esteem building"...

&lt;a href="http://photoncourier.blogspot.com/search?q=%22superheated+%27steem%22" rel="nofollow"&gt;the superheated 'steem thread&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many parents are concened to the point of obsession that their kids get the credentials and &#8220;skills&#8221; necessary for success in life&#8230;what they too often fail to see the importance of metaskills, or what used to be called &#8220;character.&#8221;</p>
<p>My experience in business is that when people fail&#8211;at least, past a certain level&#8211;the reason is usually not that they lack specific skills or degrees/certifications. It is usually something like an inability to listen to criticism, or to empathize with others, or to recover from a setback.</p>
<p>I have an extensive and depressing collection of posts on the damage done by ill-thought-out approaches to &#8220;self-esteem building&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://photoncourier.blogspot.com/search?q=%22superheated+%27steem%22" rel="nofollow">the superheated &#8217;steem thread</a></p>
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