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		<title>By: Don Quixote</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/07/07/what-is-the-republican-message/#comment-26092</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas &#038; Tiresias,  I agree completely with the sorry state of conservative leadership.  I'd quibble with one point.  I don't think the average voter cares much about corruption.  So long as the politician votes consistent with our beliefs, private weaknesses, even misuse of government power to serve those weaknesses, don't matter much.  We view our politicians like we view our athletes -- we've forgive anything as long as they perform great and are on "our team."  Politicians have been ppromising for as long as any of us have been alive that they will attack waste, fraud, mismanagement and abuse and absolutely none of them do.  Only the most gullible among us would fall for that line again.  Power corrupts.  That's why we throw the bums out from time to time.  But otherwise we expect it and accept it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas &#038; Tiresias,  I agree completely with the sorry state of conservative leadership.  I&#8217;d quibble with one point.  I don&#8217;t think the average voter cares much about corruption.  So long as the politician votes consistent with our beliefs, private weaknesses, even misuse of government power to serve those weaknesses, don&#8217;t matter much.  We view our politicians like we view our athletes &#8212; we&#8217;ve forgive anything as long as they perform great and are on &#8220;our team.&#8221;  Politicians have been ppromising for as long as any of us have been alive that they will attack waste, fraud, mismanagement and abuse and absolutely none of them do.  Only the most gullible among us would fall for that line again.  Power corrupts.  That&#8217;s why we throw the bums out from time to time.  But otherwise we expect it and accept it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiresias</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/07/07/what-is-the-republican-message/#comment-26069</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiresias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, a big piece of the problem is, I suspect, that there are no conservative leaders.

There are some (paralyzingly inept) republican leaders I suppose - if you feel that it's legitimate to apply the word "leader" -  but they aren't conservative. 

On the right there is a lot of discussion, disagreement. and independent thinking.  The conservatives do not, for example, like McCain.  He's not only not one of them, he's barely republican.  A whole lot of them are going to stay home in November, I suspect,because right voters don't just go along in lockstep.

It seems to me that the factions of the right have standards, which often enough works to their detriment.  The reason the republicans took a shellacking in 2006 wasn't because all the republican voters from 2004 died, or moved to Monte Carlo; it's because they were so annoyed at their own party that they said "go to hell" and stayed home.

The left would never do that.  I don't mean to be excessively rude here, but I have to say that they seem to have no standards whatsoever - and therefore no expectations from their candidates.  They vote much more in lockstep than the right does.

You'll be able to see this clearly in the fall: right now Obama is - if you believe the media - full-time engaged in pissing off his left-wing supporters by "moving to the center."  It will NOT matter: they'll all vote for him in November, no matter what they say now.

Not much independent thinking there, or even much thinking for yourself.  The overriding idea is that a democrat should win - period.

The right, especially conservatives, are not like that: if you cross them, they'll punish you.  They have standards, and expectations.

I see no conservative leader, and certainly no republican leader, strong, articulate, or, frankly, bright enough to change that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, a big piece of the problem is, I suspect, that there are no conservative leaders.</p>
<p>There are some (paralyzingly inept) republican leaders I suppose - if you feel that it&#8217;s legitimate to apply the word &#8220;leader&#8221; -  but they aren&#8217;t conservative. </p>
<p>On the right there is a lot of discussion, disagreement. and independent thinking.  The conservatives do not, for example, like McCain.  He&#8217;s not only not one of them, he&#8217;s barely republican.  A whole lot of them are going to stay home in November, I suspect,because right voters don&#8217;t just go along in lockstep.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the factions of the right have standards, which often enough works to their detriment.  The reason the republicans took a shellacking in 2006 wasn&#8217;t because all the republican voters from 2004 died, or moved to Monte Carlo; it&#8217;s because they were so annoyed at their own party that they said &#8220;go to hell&#8221; and stayed home.</p>
<p>The left would never do that.  I don&#8217;t mean to be excessively rude here, but I have to say that they seem to have no standards whatsoever - and therefore no expectations from their candidates.  They vote much more in lockstep than the right does.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll be able to see this clearly in the fall: right now Obama is - if you believe the media - full-time engaged in pissing off his left-wing supporters by &#8220;moving to the center.&#8221;  It will NOT matter: they&#8217;ll all vote for him in November, no matter what they say now.</p>
<p>Not much independent thinking there, or even much thinking for yourself.  The overriding idea is that a democrat should win - period.</p>
<p>The right, especially conservatives, are not like that: if you cross them, they&#8217;ll punish you.  They have standards, and expectations.</p>
<p>I see no conservative leader, and certainly no republican leader, strong, articulate, or, frankly, bright enough to change that.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/07/07/what-is-the-republican-message/#comment-26068</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DQ,

I think what American conservatives need is an Articulator, someone who can speak across to the American people rather than speaking down to them.  Obama, Hillary and Pelosi does that in spades.  Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Delay does that in spades as well.

There is a severe disconnect between our representatives on Capitol Hill and the populace they supposedly represent.  If it was clearly articulated to the American people many of the obscene transgressions and corruption of our government these past few years (Law of Sea Treaty, insane environmental edicts, and secret votes for pork spending to name a few off the top of my head), I think we would be seeing a very different Presidential race.

The Articulator doesn't even have to be running for President, but the topics would dominate the discussion.

The last President that I can think of that tried to reason with the American people rather than offer platitudes is Reagan.  Sure, Reagan had his host of platitudes, but he also reported and reasoned with Americans in many of his television addresses directly to the people.  I think one of the reasons this was so effective was because Reagan ultimately answered to the people, not his political party, not the media, but to the people--- and he didn't talk down to them as though they're incompetent children.  America responded to that then, and I think it will respond to that now.

The Conservatives are unaccountably melting away from the national scene without any definitive cause.  They appear to be in complete disarray and their "messages" are garbled re-hashed platitudes from yesteryear's election.

They can talk about the flat-tax unicorn until they're blue in the face and I think no one will listen.

One thing Americans like is taking the initiative.  Instead of taking the initiative to talk about things they care about, Conservatives appear to be fighting a rearguard action, and they're grumbling, griping and whining all the way.

Though a goodly portion of America does it, we generally still don't like contrary whiners, but we do like bold, commonsensical actions.

How many conservative politicians out there will directly address the American people and talk common sense about the environment, about energy, about the concerns of economy?  

I don't know of &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;one&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.

Barack Obama has enough smarts to attempt it, even though he ends up constantly putting his foot in his mouth and talking down to people and belittling Americans.  His bare pretension of talking across to the American people is gaining traction even though many, if not most, people see him as being politically expedient and false. 

It resonates nonetheless.  Just the attempt.

Many of the comments and suggestions above are good starting places for a national discussion.  The problem is, not one of our conservative leaders truly want that discussion to take place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DQ,</p>
<p>I think what American conservatives need is an Articulator, someone who can speak across to the American people rather than speaking down to them.  Obama, Hillary and Pelosi does that in spades.  Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Delay does that in spades as well.</p>
<p>There is a severe disconnect between our representatives on Capitol Hill and the populace they supposedly represent.  If it was clearly articulated to the American people many of the obscene transgressions and corruption of our government these past few years (Law of Sea Treaty, insane environmental edicts, and secret votes for pork spending to name a few off the top of my head), I think we would be seeing a very different Presidential race.</p>
<p>The Articulator doesn&#8217;t even have to be running for President, but the topics would dominate the discussion.</p>
<p>The last President that I can think of that tried to reason with the American people rather than offer platitudes is Reagan.  Sure, Reagan had his host of platitudes, but he also reported and reasoned with Americans in many of his television addresses directly to the people.  I think one of the reasons this was so effective was because Reagan ultimately answered to the people, not his political party, not the media, but to the people&#8212; and he didn&#8217;t talk down to them as though they&#8217;re incompetent children.  America responded to that then, and I think it will respond to that now.</p>
<p>The Conservatives are unaccountably melting away from the national scene without any definitive cause.  They appear to be in complete disarray and their &#8220;messages&#8221; are garbled re-hashed platitudes from yesteryear&#8217;s election.</p>
<p>They can talk about the flat-tax unicorn until they&#8217;re blue in the face and I think no one will listen.</p>
<p>One thing Americans like is taking the initiative.  Instead of taking the initiative to talk about things they care about, Conservatives appear to be fighting a rearguard action, and they&#8217;re grumbling, griping and whining all the way.</p>
<p>Though a goodly portion of America does it, we generally still don&#8217;t like contrary whiners, but we do like bold, commonsensical actions.</p>
<p>How many conservative politicians out there will directly address the American people and talk common sense about the environment, about energy, about the concerns of economy?  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know of <strong><em>one</em></strong>.</p>
<p>Barack Obama has enough smarts to attempt it, even though he ends up constantly putting his foot in his mouth and talking down to people and belittling Americans.  His bare pretension of talking across to the American people is gaining traction even though many, if not most, people see him as being politically expedient and false. </p>
<p>It resonates nonetheless.  Just the attempt.</p>
<p>Many of the comments and suggestions above are good starting places for a national discussion.  The problem is, not one of our conservative leaders truly want that discussion to take place.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quixote</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/07/07/what-is-the-republican-message/#comment-26048</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm afraid I can't add anything intelligent to this discussion, but I am interested in the source of the 214,000 pounds claim.  What would those pollutants consist of?  Unless I'm missing something (always a distinct possibility) the oil rigs in the Gulf and elsewhere have generally worked out just fine and not bespoiled the environment around them.  

And, what is the basis for the claim that adding to our domestic oil supply will have little effect on oil prices?  I can't imagine how a sufficient addition to domestic energy production could do anything but lower prices.

Zhombre, great point about jobs that can't be outsourced.  I hadn't thought about it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I can&#8217;t add anything intelligent to this discussion, but I am interested in the source of the 214,000 pounds claim.  What would those pollutants consist of?  Unless I&#8217;m missing something (always a distinct possibility) the oil rigs in the Gulf and elsewhere have generally worked out just fine and not bespoiled the environment around them.  </p>
<p>And, what is the basis for the claim that adding to our domestic oil supply will have little effect on oil prices?  I can&#8217;t imagine how a sufficient addition to domestic energy production could do anything but lower prices.</p>
<p>Zhombre, great point about jobs that can&#8217;t be outsourced.  I hadn&#8217;t thought about it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/07/07/what-is-the-republican-message/#comment-26046</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Offshore drilling for oil and natural gas would be devastating to our prized islands. 
In addition to threatening dangerous oil spills, each offshore oil platform would release 214,000 pounds of air pollutants annually.  Drilling platforms also discharge hundreds of thousands of gallons of wastewater containing such toxins as benzene, arsenic and lead."

What is the environmental record of oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico?  Why would this be any different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Offshore drilling for oil and natural gas would be devastating to our prized islands.<br />
In addition to threatening dangerous oil spills, each offshore oil platform would release 214,000 pounds of air pollutants annually.  Drilling platforms also discharge hundreds of thousands of gallons of wastewater containing such toxins as benzene, arsenic and lead.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is the environmental record of oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico?  Why would this be any different?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, Helen. Are you aware that any drilling that would occur would likely be far out of sight of any beach community in North Carolina? 

Have you ever looked out at the view over the water from South Padre Island (TX) or Naples, FL? Seen any oil derricks spoiling the view?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Helen. Are you aware that any drilling that would occur would likely be far out of sight of any beach community in North Carolina? </p>
<p>Have you ever looked out at the view over the water from South Padre Island (TX) or Naples, FL? Seen any oil derricks spoiling the view?</p>
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		<title>By: Zhombre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhombre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One word: jobs.   Tapping domestic energy sources -- offshore, in the plains states, or the trans-Mississippi West-- will provide industrial jobs that can't be outsourced. It would surely be a boon to those rural counties in NC and other SE states where the factory and mill jobs have vanished.  Friend of mine lives in eastern NC; poverty is endemic, the largest employers are Wal-Mart and the state.  

I can't fathom why the President of the U.S. has to go beg the Saudis to increase oil production when we do nothing at home to use our own resources.  Are Arabian sands, or the coasts of Venezuela and Nigeria and Brazil, less pristine and less environmentally sensitive than American land?   It is the pinnacle of arrogance and folly to allow the rest of the world to exploit their oil and sell to us at elevated prices while we do nothing to exploit our own energy sources, and effectively keep a lid on American industry and innovation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One word: jobs.   Tapping domestic energy sources &#8212; offshore, in the plains states, or the trans-Mississippi West&#8211; will provide industrial jobs that can&#8217;t be outsourced. It would surely be a boon to those rural counties in NC and other SE states where the factory and mill jobs have vanished.  Friend of mine lives in eastern NC; poverty is endemic, the largest employers are Wal-Mart and the state.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t fathom why the President of the U.S. has to go beg the Saudis to increase oil production when we do nothing at home to use our own resources.  Are Arabian sands, or the coasts of Venezuela and Nigeria and Brazil, less pristine and less environmentally sensitive than American land?   It is the pinnacle of arrogance and folly to allow the rest of the world to exploit their oil and sell to us at elevated prices while we do nothing to exploit our own energy sources, and effectively keep a lid on American industry and innovation.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Losse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen Losse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See http://www.environmentnorthcarolina.org/preservation/preserve-the-outer-banks2

Do any of you who comment here use Google?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See <a href="http://www.environmentnorthcarolina.org/preservation/preserve-the-outer-banks2" rel="nofollow">http://www.environmentnorthcarolina.org/preservation/preserve-the-outer-banks2</a></p>
<p>Do any of you who comment here use Google?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was to guess, the Outer Banks are in danger because of over-development. I don't think they have found any oil off the Outer Banks, though. I believe that the coastal areas with oil deposits are southern and western Florida and California. Somewhere I remember reading that there was a big oil reserve in the northern Great Lakes, as well.

I believe that the biggest North American Oil deposits are in the northern plains states (the Bakken deposits), the Rocky Mountain States (oil shale), Alberta (tar sands) and the north slope of Alaska. 

Overall, North American oil reserves are believed to be bigger than those of Saudi Arabia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was to guess, the Outer Banks are in danger because of over-development. I don&#8217;t think they have found any oil off the Outer Banks, though. I believe that the coastal areas with oil deposits are southern and western Florida and California. Somewhere I remember reading that there was a big oil reserve in the northern Great Lakes, as well.</p>
<p>I believe that the biggest North American Oil deposits are in the northern plains states (the Bakken deposits), the Rocky Mountain States (oil shale), Alberta (tar sands) and the north slope of Alaska. </p>
<p>Overall, North American oil reserves are believed to be bigger than those of Saudi Arabia.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Losse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen Losse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was a pirate. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was a pirate. <img src='http://www.bookwormroom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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