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	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Don Quixote</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/07/08/truths-to-dangerous-to-tell/#comment-26091</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Helen,

     Thank you for you serious responses.  I have nothing against redistributing wealth that people voluntarily choose to redistribute.  Private charity is a wonderful thing.  I do not agree with giving government the power to redistribute under penalty of jail.  Leaving aside the obvious issues of property rights (which I'm sure you don't care about) I just don't want that much power in the hands of the government.  If that power can be used for what you view as good ends, it can also be used for what others view as good ends, but you view as horrible ends.  

     Government is both the greatest protector of our liberties and the greatest threat to them.  Our founders understood this and divided government into small pieces (executive/judicial/legislative, federal/state/county/city) and gave it limited power.  The history of the last 200 years has been the history of a more or less steady accumulation of power in the federal government, destroying the delicate balance our founders put in place.  Your program, if ever implemented, would be another huge step in that (wrong) direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Helen,</p>
<p>     Thank you for you serious responses.  I have nothing against redistributing wealth that people voluntarily choose to redistribute.  Private charity is a wonderful thing.  I do not agree with giving government the power to redistribute under penalty of jail.  Leaving aside the obvious issues of property rights (which I&#8217;m sure you don&#8217;t care about) I just don&#8217;t want that much power in the hands of the government.  If that power can be used for what you view as good ends, it can also be used for what others view as good ends, but you view as horrible ends.  </p>
<p>     Government is both the greatest protector of our liberties and the greatest threat to them.  Our founders understood this and divided government into small pieces (executive/judicial/legislative, federal/state/county/city) and gave it limited power.  The history of the last 200 years has been the history of a more or less steady accumulation of power in the federal government, destroying the delicate balance our founders put in place.  Your program, if ever implemented, would be another huge step in that (wrong) direction.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/07/08/truths-to-dangerous-to-tell/#comment-26085</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The biggest contributor to poverty in the world is corrupt governments who do not respect private ownership. When a government can come in and take your property and take your wealth - whatever its form - then you have no security, and no motivation to attempt to accumulate wealth. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well said!

I would add that we only really appreciate what we have struggled for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The biggest contributor to poverty in the world is corrupt governments who do not respect private ownership. When a government can come in and take your property and take your wealth - whatever its form - then you have no security, and no motivation to attempt to accumulate wealth. </p></blockquote>
<p>Well said!</p>
<p>I would add that we only really appreciate what we have struggled for.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's always been my contention that you could strip the money from the wealthy (not the inherited wealthy) and most would have their money back within 10 years. 
It's in their genes.
Yes, some were lucky, some were dishonest, but many or most have an innate ability to recognize what people need and are ready to meet that need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always been my contention that you could strip the money from the wealthy (not the inherited wealthy) and most would have their money back within 10 years.<br />
It&#8217;s in their genes.<br />
Yes, some were lucky, some were dishonest, but many or most have an innate ability to recognize what people need and are ready to meet that need.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/07/08/truths-to-dangerous-to-tell/#comment-26083</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62;you have to redistribute wealth. &#62;&#62;

Except that you don't have the right to take from one person to give to another no matter how noble your motives.  If you give a government that right - and that's the only way you can do it other than at the point of a gun - you only posses what you posses as long as the government allows you.  The biggest contributor to poverty in the world is corrupt governments who do not respect private ownership.  When a government can come in and take your property and take your wealth - whatever its form - then you have no security, and no motivation to attempt to accumulate wealth.  

&#62;&#62;It takes money to be equal. &#62;&#62;

No.. Money is not equality.  If that's the basis of the demand for equality, no wonder we have a problem!

Here are a couple of thoughts for you in this regard...

http://www.etsu.edu/english/3134/zwjs2/RCOREY.HTM

http://www.etsu.edu/english/3134/zwjs2/MCHEEVY.HTM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;you have to redistribute wealth. &gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Except that you don&#8217;t have the right to take from one person to give to another no matter how noble your motives.  If you give a government that right - and that&#8217;s the only way you can do it other than at the point of a gun - you only posses what you posses as long as the government allows you.  The biggest contributor to poverty in the world is corrupt governments who do not respect private ownership.  When a government can come in and take your property and take your wealth - whatever its form - then you have no security, and no motivation to attempt to accumulate wealth.  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;It takes money to be equal. &gt;&gt;</p>
<p>No.. Money is not equality.  If that&#8217;s the basis of the demand for equality, no wonder we have a problem!</p>
<p>Here are a couple of thoughts for you in this regard&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.etsu.edu/english/3134/zwjs2/RCOREY.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.etsu.edu/english/3134/zwjs2/RCOREY.HTM</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.etsu.edu/english/3134/zwjs2/MCHEEVY.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.etsu.edu/english/3134/zwjs2/MCHEEVY.HTM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/07/08/truths-to-dangerous-to-tell/#comment-26082</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money is actually created wealth or aka a symbol that represents work and productivity.

You may be able to 'redistribute' the physical manifestation of the symbol of work and productivity, aka value, but you will never be able to 'redistribute' the ability of people to work harder to people that can't work as good.

You can redistribute the physical products and benefits of that work, like say the wealth created from slavery, to the people that don't work in the field, the plantation masters, helen, but you will never be able to give someone the ability to work if they do not already have it. Nor will you be able to give someone the willingness to work harder, simply by making other people be willing to work less harder.

Your goals are not realistic because they are too fantastic to be even possible. It is not even in the realm of possibility, helen. This is the reality you wish to chase? A manufactured dream that will never be true and even if it was true, it would bring hell on earth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money is actually created wealth or aka a symbol that represents work and productivity.</p>
<p>You may be able to &#8216;redistribute&#8217; the physical manifestation of the symbol of work and productivity, aka value, but you will never be able to &#8216;redistribute&#8217; the ability of people to work harder to people that can&#8217;t work as good.</p>
<p>You can redistribute the physical products and benefits of that work, like say the wealth created from slavery, to the people that don&#8217;t work in the field, the plantation masters, helen, but you will never be able to give someone the ability to work if they do not already have it. Nor will you be able to give someone the willingness to work harder, simply by making other people be willing to work less harder.</p>
<p>Your goals are not realistic because they are too fantastic to be even possible. It is not even in the realm of possibility, helen. This is the reality you wish to chase? A manufactured dream that will never be true and even if it was true, it would bring hell on earth?</p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/07/08/truths-to-dangerous-to-tell/#comment-26081</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, if I give up all my money, can I be athletic instead? 
I'm kind of a klutz, you know.
I was pretty good at baseball, but stunk at basketball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, if I give up all my money, can I be athletic instead?<br />
I&#8217;m kind of a klutz, you know.<br />
I was pretty good at baseball, but stunk at basketball.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Losse</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/07/08/truths-to-dangerous-to-tell/#comment-26078</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Losse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No guys, you have to redistribute wealth.  It takes money to be equal.  Read "Where Do We Go From Here?  Chaos or Community."

Doesn't anyone recognize chaos?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No guys, you have to redistribute wealth.  It takes money to be equal.  Read &#8220;Where Do We Go From Here?  Chaos or Community.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t anyone recognize chaos?</p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All right everyone, that's Helen standing in front of you swinging the shiny talisman. 
Look closely at the talisman.
You're getting sleepy, sleeepy, sleeepyyy.
Now when Helen snaps her fingers, everyone will be equal.
Snap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right everyone, that&#8217;s Helen standing in front of you swinging the shiny talisman.<br />
Look closely at the talisman.<br />
You&#8217;re getting sleepy, sleeepy, sleeepyyy.<br />
Now when Helen snaps her fingers, everyone will be equal.<br />
Snap!</p>
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		<title>By: Earl</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/07/08/truths-to-dangerous-to-tell/#comment-26075</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to sound like a broken record, but there are a lot of people who would benefit from a reading of What It Means To 
Be 98% Chimpanzee by Jonathan Marks.  One thing that really stuck out to me was the fact that there are more genetic differences AMONG the members of "the black race" than there are between the "black race" and the "white race". 

This is not in dispute, and it convinced me that what we call the "black race" has no basis in reality.  We have to be a LOT more precise in our language if our ideas are to have any meaning.  

Notice the difference in origin of champion sprinters v. long- distance runners, although they are all of the "black race".  Examples could be multiplied, and are -- read the book.

Every human being, black or white or yellow or whatever, deserves "equality", if that means equal opportunity to strive and equality before the law.  Given that, we're going to see a diversity of outcomes, and some of them will appear to be assorted according to ethnic group, skin color, etc.  My reply is "So?"  Every attempt to ensure that outcomes are "equal" has led to disaster.  Let's not do the same thing, expecting a different result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to sound like a broken record, but there are a lot of people who would benefit from a reading of What It Means To<br />
Be 98% Chimpanzee by Jonathan Marks.  One thing that really stuck out to me was the fact that there are more genetic differences AMONG the members of &#8220;the black race&#8221; than there are between the &#8220;black race&#8221; and the &#8220;white race&#8221;. </p>
<p>This is not in dispute, and it convinced me that what we call the &#8220;black race&#8221; has no basis in reality.  We have to be a LOT more precise in our language if our ideas are to have any meaning.  </p>
<p>Notice the difference in origin of champion sprinters v. long- distance runners, although they are all of the &#8220;black race&#8221;.  Examples could be multiplied, and are &#8212; read the book.</p>
<p>Every human being, black or white or yellow or whatever, deserves &#8220;equality&#8221;, if that means equal opportunity to strive and equality before the law.  Given that, we&#8217;re going to see a diversity of outcomes, and some of them will appear to be assorted according to ethnic group, skin color, etc.  My reply is &#8220;So?&#8221;  Every attempt to ensure that outcomes are &#8220;equal&#8221; has led to disaster.  Let&#8217;s not do the same thing, expecting a different result.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Losse</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/07/08/truths-to-dangerous-to-tell/#comment-26071</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Losse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A wise man once said, "gradualism [look at poverty and education levels of blacks of 50 years ago and compare them to today’s levels, the difference is pretty astounding for a mere 50 years - 2 generations] sounds great, but the problem is I'm here now."

In "Where Do We Go From Here? Chaos of Community" (1964) King identified the problem: white people are satisfied with progress, but blacks want equality.

Isn't that where we started?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A wise man once said, &#8220;gradualism [look at poverty and education levels of blacks of 50 years ago and compare them to today’s levels, the difference is pretty astounding for a mere 50 years - 2 generations] sounds great, but the problem is I&#8217;m here now.&#8221;</p>
<p>In &#8220;Where Do We Go From Here? Chaos of Community&#8221; (1964) King identified the problem: white people are satisfied with progress, but blacks want equality.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that where we started?</p>
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