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	<title>Comments on: AP:  Obama&#8217;s stalwart water carrier *UPDATED*</title>
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	<description>Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts.</description>
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		<title>By: Ellie2</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/14/ap-stalwart-obama-water-carrier/comment-page-1/#comment-27202</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellie2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reviewing -- or crikey even refuting -- anyone&#039;s assertations is what&#039;s desired.  Ad hominum attacks are the tactics of the mindless. What&#039;s the old saying, something like &quot;Answer the charges if you can.  If you can&#039;t answer them, insult the person making them.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reviewing &#8212; or crikey even refuting &#8212; anyone&#8217;s assertations is what&#8217;s desired.  Ad hominum attacks are the tactics of the mindless. What&#8217;s the old saying, something like &#8220;Answer the charges if you can.  If you can&#8217;t answer them, insult the person making them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Right Wing News</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/14/ap-stalwart-obama-water-carrier/comment-page-1/#comment-27192</link>
		<dc:creator>Right Wing News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;McCainiacs thinking outside of the box...&lt;/strong&gt;

In 1980 (and again in 1984), Ronald Reagan won in significant part because traditionally Democratic voters abandoned their party to vote for him. Those same &quot;Reagan Democrats&quot; have shown up frequently in the news today. Indeed, McCain is specifically...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>McCainiacs thinking outside of the box&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>In 1980 (and again in 1984), Ronald Reagan won in significant part because traditionally Democratic voters abandoned their party to vote for him. Those same &#8220;Reagan Democrats&#8221; have shown up frequently in the news today. Indeed, McCain is specifically&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/14/ap-stalwart-obama-water-carrier/comment-page-1/#comment-27187</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;To attack the Muslim story (which is true), and to attack the angry black Church meme (which is true) is just so stupid. It’s like hurling a spear at tank, instantly of planting an explosive underneath it.&lt;/b&gt;

The really dangerous people are the ones who will try to do exactly that with a spear and tank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>To attack the Muslim story (which is true), and to attack the angry black Church meme (which is true) is just so stupid. It’s like hurling a spear at tank, instantly of planting an explosive underneath it.</b></p>
<p>The really dangerous people are the ones who will try to do exactly that with a spear and tank.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/14/ap-stalwart-obama-water-carrier/comment-page-1/#comment-27185</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Often, Ellie2, the messenger and the message are inextricably intertwined.  We recognize it with someone like Michael Moore for example:  his known unreliability as to some things makes him presumptively unreliable as to all things.  In other words, we feel compelled to check each of his factual assertions to determine their veracity.  Someone whose word we trust doesn&#039;t force us to leap through these hurdles.

To the extent I believe the 911 Truthers are absolutely and completely wrong, the fact that Corsi believes in them makes me doubt his reliability.  The same holds true for his attack on the Pope, which is at odds with everything else I&#039;ve ever heard about the man.  History may show Corsi to be right on both points, but I doubt it.  That means that, to my mind, Corsi&#039;s credibility and judgment are suspect.  I have to review independently everything he asserts.

What&#039;s so funny with the AP story, though, is that it managed to take the few things Corsi asserts that are known truths, and to fashion lies around them.  It seems to me that Corsi is a much easier target.  To attack the Muslim story (which is true), and to attack the angry black Church meme (which is true) is just so stupid.  It&#039;s like hurling a spear at tank, instantly of planting an explosive underneath it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Often, Ellie2, the messenger and the message are inextricably intertwined.  We recognize it with someone like Michael Moore for example:  his known unreliability as to some things makes him presumptively unreliable as to all things.  In other words, we feel compelled to check each of his factual assertions to determine their veracity.  Someone whose word we trust doesn&#8217;t force us to leap through these hurdles.</p>
<p>To the extent I believe the 911 Truthers are absolutely and completely wrong, the fact that Corsi believes in them makes me doubt his reliability.  The same holds true for his attack on the Pope, which is at odds with everything else I&#8217;ve ever heard about the man.  History may show Corsi to be right on both points, but I doubt it.  That means that, to my mind, Corsi&#8217;s credibility and judgment are suspect.  I have to review independently everything he asserts.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s so funny with the AP story, though, is that it managed to take the few things Corsi asserts that are known truths, and to fashion lies around them.  It seems to me that Corsi is a much easier target.  To attack the Muslim story (which is true), and to attack the angry black Church meme (which is true) is just so stupid.  It&#8217;s like hurling a spear at tank, instantly of planting an explosive underneath it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie2</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/14/ap-stalwart-obama-water-carrier/comment-page-1/#comment-27183</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellie2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *have* read The Obama Nation and also Dreams of My Father.  I didn&#039;t post either as recommended in your Books section.  

But I fail to understand why you feel the need to slime (or pass along other&#039;s slime of) Jerome Corsi.  What do his &quot;creepy&quot; thoughts have to do with the truthfulness of his book?  To me this way of thinking is waaay creepier: he has doubts about the attacks on 9/11, therefore his reporting on BHO must be false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I *have* read The Obama Nation and also Dreams of My Father.  I didn&#8217;t post either as recommended in your Books section.  </p>
<p>But I fail to understand why you feel the need to slime (or pass along other&#8217;s slime of) Jerome Corsi.  What do his &#8220;creepy&#8221; thoughts have to do with the truthfulness of his book?  To me this way of thinking is waaay creepier: he has doubts about the attacks on 9/11, therefore his reporting on BHO must be false.</p>
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		<title>By: SharpsRifle</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/14/ap-stalwart-obama-water-carrier/comment-page-1/#comment-27163</link>
		<dc:creator>SharpsRifle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely excellent critique!  You definitely have al-AP&#039;s number!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely excellent critique!  You definitely have al-AP&#8217;s number!</p>
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		<title>By: Is that the best you can do? &#171; lookingforlissa</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/14/ap-stalwart-obama-water-carrier/comment-page-1/#comment-27162</link>
		<dc:creator>Is that the best you can do? &#171; lookingforlissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/14/ap-stalwart-obama-water-carrier/comment-page-1/#comment-27157</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Y.</description>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/14/ap-stalwart-obama-water-carrier/comment-page-1/#comment-27156</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this case, the AP is the judge, jury, and executioner, Book. So this changes their strategy from being &quot;weak&quot; to being workable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this case, the AP is the judge, jury, and executioner, Book. So this changes their strategy from being &#8220;weak&#8221; to being workable.</p>
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