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	<description>Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts.</description>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/26/cause-meet-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-27826</link>
		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Bookworm, at what law school did you study that you would know how Harvard University&#039;s graduates compare to other ivy grads?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Bookworm, at what law school did you study that you would know how Harvard University&#8217;s graduates compare to other ivy grads?</p>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/26/cause-meet-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-27823</link>
		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bookworm, do you think that your blogging shows more humility and a greater ability to learn from mistakes than those displayed by Harvard grads?  By the way, which Harvard grads?  My guess is that physics PhDs are just a little bit different than the HBS MBAs, and both are different than the HLS grads.  But you&#039;re the expert on the entire Harvard University (including Dukakis&#039; Kennedy School of government), having worked with a &quot;disproportionate&quot; number of &quot;incompetent&quot; Harvard Law School grads...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bookworm, do you think that your blogging shows more humility and a greater ability to learn from mistakes than those displayed by Harvard grads?  By the way, which Harvard grads?  My guess is that physics PhDs are just a little bit different than the HBS MBAs, and both are different than the HLS grads.  But you&#8217;re the expert on the entire Harvard University (including Dukakis&#8217; Kennedy School of government), having worked with a &#8220;disproportionate&#8221; number of &#8220;incompetent&#8221; Harvard Law School grads&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ozzie</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/26/cause-meet-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-27793</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth is an interesting concept. What do you do with it when you get it- suek

You dont allow youself to be duped.  

A favorite quote: 

&quot;Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.&quot;--  Voltaire</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth is an interesting concept. What do you do with it when you get it- suek</p>
<p>You dont allow youself to be duped.  </p>
<p>A favorite quote: </p>
<p>&#8220;Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.&#8221;&#8211;  Voltaire</p>
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		<title>By: Ozzie</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/26/cause-meet-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-27792</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I’d sit at his feet and listen to him preach anytime. Thanks for that, Ozzie.- dg

Sadly, he died of a heart attack at age 53. 

We was an idealist and a firm believer in the American dream, and his movie &quot;Four Friends&quot; underscored his love affair with this country. He won the Oscar for &quot;Breaking Away,&quot; which was listed by the American Film Institute as one of the most inspirational movies of all time.

His idealism was cut short, however, during the first Gulf War when he saw through the propagnda and lies. The propaganda re Yugoslavia filled him with rage, as did the media&#039;s refusal to print his pieces, which refuted those lies. 

I stumbled across his writing by accident, though I was a fan of his films.

If I read him in 1993, I would have thought he was bonky. But Gulf War II propaganda -  and the vilification  of truth-tellers -- made me appreciate him all the more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I’d sit at his feet and listen to him preach anytime. Thanks for that, Ozzie.- dg</p>
<p>Sadly, he died of a heart attack at age 53. </p>
<p>We was an idealist and a firm believer in the American dream, and his movie &#8220;Four Friends&#8221; underscored his love affair with this country. He won the Oscar for &#8220;Breaking Away,&#8221; which was listed by the American Film Institute as one of the most inspirational movies of all time.</p>
<p>His idealism was cut short, however, during the first Gulf War when he saw through the propagnda and lies. The propaganda re Yugoslavia filled him with rage, as did the media&#8217;s refusal to print his pieces, which refuted those lies. </p>
<p>I stumbled across his writing by accident, though I was a fan of his films.</p>
<p>If I read him in 1993, I would have thought he was bonky. But Gulf War II propaganda &#8211;  and the vilification  of truth-tellers &#8212; made me appreciate him all the more.</p>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
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		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I&#039;d sit at his feet and listen to him preach anytime.  Thanks for that, Ozzie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I&#8217;d sit at his feet and listen to him preach anytime.  Thanks for that, Ozzie.</p>
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		<title>By: Ozzie</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/26/cause-meet-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-27775</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tesich is a genius. A modern day Pushkin- dg

He saw it coming, that&#039;s for sure.  

Some of the points he made, back in in 1993:

&quot;In the age of opinions the man of facts is seen as inconvenient at best or even as potentially a sinister figure.&quot;

&quot;What keeps us from wanting to know the truth? Has it become too hard for us to keep it in focus? Is it much easier to simply divide the world in our minds, as we once divided it in fact, into ths simplistic notions of good guys and bad guys? &quot;

&quot;What Hanna Arendt never envisioned is that you can have a totalitarian atmosphere without totalitarian regimes where truth, philosophical and factual, is no longer suppressed but simply doesn&#039;t matter anymore.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tesich is a genius. A modern day Pushkin- dg</p>
<p>He saw it coming, that&#8217;s for sure.  </p>
<p>Some of the points he made, back in in 1993:</p>
<p>&#8220;In the age of opinions the man of facts is seen as inconvenient at best or even as potentially a sinister figure.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;What keeps us from wanting to know the truth? Has it become too hard for us to keep it in focus? Is it much easier to simply divide the world in our minds, as we once divided it in fact, into ths simplistic notions of good guys and bad guys? &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;What Hanna Arendt never envisioned is that you can have a totalitarian atmosphere without totalitarian regimes where truth, philosophical and factual, is no longer suppressed but simply doesn&#8217;t matter anymore.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
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		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suek, show me the evidence that Buchanan is an anti-Semite, then explain how that fact negates the factual accuracy of the other 90% you cite.  Wagner was an anti-semite, but composed some amazing works of art.  But we shouldn&#039;t listen to them, should we...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suek, show me the evidence that Buchanan is an anti-Semite, then explain how that fact negates the factual accuracy of the other 90% you cite.  Wagner was an anti-semite, but composed some amazing works of art.  But we shouldn&#8217;t listen to them, should we&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
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		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tesich is a genius.  A modern day Pushkin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tesich is a genius.  A modern day Pushkin.</p>
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		<title>By: Ozzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ozzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is corrosive to democracy. - dg

It is totally corrosive.  

One of the fienst moments in modern television was when Jon Stewart told the hacks at &quot;Crossfire&quot; to &quot;Stop Hurting America.&quot; 

Hackery rules the day, however, and seems to be getting worse.

During the military action in Kosovo, screenwriter and Yugoslavia native Steve Tesich addressed this trend in a letter to the New York Times. 

Money quote: 

&quot;Events in the world are no longer judged by hard evidence or impartiality to the true causes which gave rise to them. Even the normal journalistic standards of trying, merely trying, to get the whole story have been discarded as too cumbersome, too demanding. What has replaced the tradition of truth seeking, both philosophical and factual, is a kind of lazy drama critic&#039;s response to the events on the world stage. In this new way of doing things, events themselves have no intrinsic value in determining who is right or who is wrong, who is guilty or who is innocent. It&#039;s all much simpler than that. It&#039;s all a matter of who in our opinion seems right. Who moves us.&quot;

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/authors/Tesich/to-nyt.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is corrosive to democracy. &#8211; dg</p>
<p>It is totally corrosive.  </p>
<p>One of the fienst moments in modern television was when Jon Stewart told the hacks at &#8220;Crossfire&#8221; to &#8220;Stop Hurting America.&#8221; </p>
<p>Hackery rules the day, however, and seems to be getting worse.</p>
<p>During the military action in Kosovo, screenwriter and Yugoslavia native Steve Tesich addressed this trend in a letter to the New York Times. </p>
<p>Money quote: </p>
<p>&#8220;Events in the world are no longer judged by hard evidence or impartiality to the true causes which gave rise to them. Even the normal journalistic standards of trying, merely trying, to get the whole story have been discarded as too cumbersome, too demanding. What has replaced the tradition of truth seeking, both philosophical and factual, is a kind of lazy drama critic&#8217;s response to the events on the world stage. In this new way of doing things, events themselves have no intrinsic value in determining who is right or who is wrong, who is guilty or who is innocent. It&#8217;s all much simpler than that. It&#8217;s all a matter of who in our opinion seems right. Who moves us.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.srpska-mreza.com/authors/Tesich/to-nyt.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.srpska-mreza.com/authors/Tesich/to-nyt.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ozzie</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/08/26/cause-meet-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-27768</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You’ve used referenced to a number of books which you rely on for “truth” - but what gives you assurance that the writers of those books are any more reliable than those who write in the present?- suek

CIA covert actions remain declassified for quite some time. And you can&#039;t be sure the US was involved with any of them until files become declassifed. 

For YEARS the CIA denied involvement in the 1973 coup in Chile, until declassifed documents proved otherwise.

Every human being has a point of view. That can&#039;t be avoided. You can however, investigate what the U.S did in Iran, Iraq, Chile, etc., but, in most cases, ony decades after the fact.  

Most Americans dont realize that Osama bin aden and Saddam Hussein were once CIA assets. And you&#039;re not going to hear about any of it on the nightly news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’ve used referenced to a number of books which you rely on for “truth” &#8211; but what gives you assurance that the writers of those books are any more reliable than those who write in the present?- suek</p>
<p>CIA covert actions remain declassified for quite some time. And you can&#8217;t be sure the US was involved with any of them until files become declassifed. </p>
<p>For YEARS the CIA denied involvement in the 1973 coup in Chile, until declassifed documents proved otherwise.</p>
<p>Every human being has a point of view. That can&#8217;t be avoided. You can however, investigate what the U.S did in Iran, Iraq, Chile, etc., but, in most cases, ony decades after the fact.  </p>
<p>Most Americans dont realize that Osama bin aden and Saddam Hussein were once CIA assets. And you&#8217;re not going to hear about any of it on the nightly news.</p>
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