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	<description>Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts.</description>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/02/alaska-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-28292</link>
		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devx, they had teenage pregnancies in Victorian England as well.  And their society was ostensibly prudish.  What people do not understand is that in societies like Victorian England or the America that conservatives pine for, the sexuality goes underground and becomes even more extreme.  I have a friend, a professor of English at Harvard University (sorry, Bookworm), who is an expert on pornography in Victrorian England; he tells me that it would make Larry Flynt blush.  Another example:  Japan is more prudish than America currently, with less sexuality tolerated in the media; however, Japanese college students are far more sexually active than Americans, according to polls and media reports that I have seen.  They do have fewer pregnancies, however, which I believe is because there is no resistence to wider availability of contraception.  I&#039;d be curious what others know about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devx, they had teenage pregnancies in Victorian England as well.  And their society was ostensibly prudish.  What people do not understand is that in societies like Victorian England or the America that conservatives pine for, the sexuality goes underground and becomes even more extreme.  I have a friend, a professor of English at Harvard University (sorry, Bookworm), who is an expert on pornography in Victrorian England; he tells me that it would make Larry Flynt blush.  Another example:  Japan is more prudish than America currently, with less sexuality tolerated in the media; however, Japanese college students are far more sexually active than Americans, according to polls and media reports that I have seen.  They do have fewer pregnancies, however, which I believe is because there is no resistence to wider availability of contraception.  I&#8217;d be curious what others know about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/02/alaska-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-28225</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;dagon

also, bristol palin was taught in the manner that the gov. wanted…ABSTINENCE ONLY! her school system adhered to that and it was reportedly reinforced in the home. why do you think the palin’s lived there.

sheesh

peace&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s just dagon&#039;s private little fantasy world about domination. He wants the Left to dominate, so obviously Palin must be dominating things the same way. Very funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>dagon</p>
<p>also, bristol palin was taught in the manner that the gov. wanted…ABSTINENCE ONLY! her school system adhered to that and it was reportedly reinforced in the home. why do you think the palin’s lived there.</p>
<p>sheesh</p>
<p>peace</b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s just dagon&#8217;s private little fantasy world about domination. He wants the Left to dominate, so obviously Palin must be dominating things the same way. Very funny.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/02/alaska-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-28192</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Neither they nor their friends were impressed with either.&gt;&gt;

Maybe they&#039;re using reverse psychology???


Naah.  I didn&#039;t think so either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Neither they nor their friends were impressed with either.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Maybe they&#8217;re using reverse psychology???</p>
<p>Naah.  I didn&#8217;t think so either.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My kids recently graduated from government high school. Their verdict: rather than promote abstinence, current drug and sex-education programs actually encourage kids to experiment. Neither they nor their friends were impressed with either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My kids recently graduated from government high school. Their verdict: rather than promote abstinence, current drug and sex-education programs actually encourage kids to experiment. Neither they nor their friends were impressed with either.</p>
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		<title>By: Ozzie</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/02/alaska-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-28122</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are reams of statistics on this stuff, which can be used to make more intelligent policy decisions than relying on the sensationalized, human interest story of one governor’s daughter- dg

This is what the public wants and expects. 

The cable news stations are in competetion for revenue, and they&#039;re just giving us what generates ratings. 

News stations are now competeing with the National Enquirer and US Weekly for political &quot;scoops.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are reams of statistics on this stuff, which can be used to make more intelligent policy decisions than relying on the sensationalized, human interest story of one governor’s daughter- dg</p>
<p>This is what the public wants and expects. </p>
<p>The cable news stations are in competetion for revenue, and they&#8217;re just giving us what generates ratings. </p>
<p>News stations are now competeing with the National Enquirer and US Weekly for political &#8220;scoops.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/02/alaska-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-28119</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;If explicit sex education is a code word for teaching homosexuality, that really isn’t part of the equation and I can’t see how her position on that had anything to do with the pregnancy issue being discussed.&gt;&gt;

My guess is that you&#039;re probably right.  

I guess you _could_ say that homosexuality is the ultimate form of birth control...so it would be effective in preventing pregnancy...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;If explicit sex education is a code word for teaching homosexuality, that really isn’t part of the equation and I can’t see how her position on that had anything to do with the pregnancy issue being discussed.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>My guess is that you&#8217;re probably right.  </p>
<p>I guess you _could_ say that homosexuality is the ultimate form of birth control&#8230;so it would be effective in preventing pregnancy&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Not surprisginly, Palin slashed funding to help teenage moms&gt;&gt;

Your information is incorrect.


“Covenant House’s IRS Form 990 ( http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=justgive&amp;npoId=332976 ) shows the funds that Paul Kane describes as “slashed” was over a threefold increase ( http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/007978.html ) from the government funds they received from all sources in 2006 (FY2006 ending 12/31/06).”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Not surprisginly, Palin slashed funding to help teenage moms&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Your information is incorrect.</p>
<p>“Covenant House’s IRS Form 990 ( <a href="http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=justgive&#038;npoId=332976" rel="nofollow">http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=justgive&#038;npoId=332976</a> ) shows the funds that Paul Kane describes as “slashed” was over a threefold increase ( <a href="http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/007978.html" rel="nofollow">http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/007978.html</a> ) from the government funds they received from all sources in 2006 (FY2006 ending 12/31/06).”</p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dg said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;There have been multiple reports by the CDC, the UN WHO, and a multitude of other health organizations that have definitively shown that abstinence only programs do not work,...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From The Guttmacher Institute:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Each year, almost 750,000 teenage women aged 15–19 become pregnant. The teenage pregnancy rate in this country is at its lowest level in 30 years, down 36% since its peak in 1990. A growing body of research suggests that both increased abstinence and changes in contraceptive practice are responsible for recent declines in teenage pregnancy.1&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Read the report here:
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/2006/09/12/USTPstats.pdf

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Guttmacher Institute has played a leading role in the movement for women&#039;s sexual and reproductive rights since the institute&#039;s inception in 1968, when it was founded as the &quot;Center for Family Planning Program Development&quot;, a semiautonomous division of The Planned Parenthood Federation of America.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

dg said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Get over the ideology and the anecdotes and learn how to analyze the data, lest you talk total nonsense.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree with dg on this one.

Abstinance should be included in discussions of sex education along with discussion of birth control, std&#039;s, etc. Kids are under tremendous pressure to have sex-- most of it by peer pressure and the media-- records, mtv, movies, etc. They need the message that it is not only OK, but abstinence affords the best, in fact only, guaranteed way to prevent std&#039;s and pregnancy.
Given that same pressure, kids should be told about contreceptives, etc.

If explicit sex education is a code word for teaching homosexuality, that really isn&#039;t part of the equation and I can&#039;t see how her position on that had anything to do with the pregnancy issue being discussed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dg said:</p>
<blockquote><p>There have been multiple reports by the CDC, the UN WHO, and a multitude of other health organizations that have definitively shown that abstinence only programs do not work,&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>From The Guttmacher Institute:</p>
<blockquote><p>Each year, almost 750,000 teenage women aged 15–19 become pregnant. The teenage pregnancy rate in this country is at its lowest level in 30 years, down 36% since its peak in 1990. A growing body of research suggests that both increased abstinence and changes in contraceptive practice are responsible for recent declines in teenage pregnancy.1</p></blockquote>
<p>Read the report here:<br />
<a href="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/2006/09/12/USTPstats.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/2006/09/12/USTPstats.pdf</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The Guttmacher Institute has played a leading role in the movement for women&#8217;s sexual and reproductive rights since the institute&#8217;s inception in 1968, when it was founded as the &#8220;Center for Family Planning Program Development&#8221;, a semiautonomous division of The Planned Parenthood Federation of America.</p></blockquote>
<p>dg said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Get over the ideology and the anecdotes and learn how to analyze the data, lest you talk total nonsense.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree with dg on this one.</p>
<p>Abstinance should be included in discussions of sex education along with discussion of birth control, std&#8217;s, etc. Kids are under tremendous pressure to have sex&#8211; most of it by peer pressure and the media&#8211; records, mtv, movies, etc. They need the message that it is not only OK, but abstinence affords the best, in fact only, guaranteed way to prevent std&#8217;s and pregnancy.<br />
Given that same pressure, kids should be told about contreceptives, etc.</p>
<p>If explicit sex education is a code word for teaching homosexuality, that really isn&#8217;t part of the equation and I can&#8217;t see how her position on that had anything to do with the pregnancy issue being discussed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;m beginning to wonder whether ANY form of sex education is doomed to failure for the vast majority of teens.  It appears teen pregnancy has been occurring throughout all of human history.

You can try an abstinence-only message; you can try a sex-manual only approach with free contraception available in vending machines in the school lobby; you can try any mix of the two with an emphasis wherever you want it; are you really sure it matters?  There are abstinence-only teens who make that work (in that they don&#039;t get pregnant); there are sex-manual teens who make that work (in that they don&#039;t get pregnant).  But in either case, their numbers appear to be quite small compared to those who DO get pregnant.

So let me go out on a limb and say: In our culture of wildly permissive sexuality, there isn&#039;t any sex-ed approach that is actually going to work, for the vast majority of our teens.  It feels good, they&#039;re gonna do it, and in the tried and true tradition of all American teens, they are immune from death and all other consequences! - and therefore, they end up getting pregnant.

I think the decisions of the Palins to support Bristol should be taken as a moment of maturity and grace.  Good for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;m beginning to wonder whether ANY form of sex education is doomed to failure for the vast majority of teens.  It appears teen pregnancy has been occurring throughout all of human history.</p>
<p>You can try an abstinence-only message; you can try a sex-manual only approach with free contraception available in vending machines in the school lobby; you can try any mix of the two with an emphasis wherever you want it; are you really sure it matters?  There are abstinence-only teens who make that work (in that they don&#8217;t get pregnant); there are sex-manual teens who make that work (in that they don&#8217;t get pregnant).  But in either case, their numbers appear to be quite small compared to those who DO get pregnant.</p>
<p>So let me go out on a limb and say: In our culture of wildly permissive sexuality, there isn&#8217;t any sex-ed approach that is actually going to work, for the vast majority of our teens.  It feels good, they&#8217;re gonna do it, and in the tried and true tradition of all American teens, they are immune from death and all other consequences! &#8211; and therefore, they end up getting pregnant.</p>
<p>I think the decisions of the Palins to support Bristol should be taken as a moment of maturity and grace.  Good for them.</p>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
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		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares what Palin&#039;s daughter&#039;s particular case was!!  There have been multiple reports by the CDC, the UN WHO, and a multitude of other health organizations that have definitively shown that abstinence only programs do not work, and the best predictor of teenage pregnancy is access to information and means of contraception.  Get over the ideology and the anecdotes and learn how to analyze the data, lest you talk total nonsense.  There are reams of statistics on this stuff, which can be used to make more intelligent policy decisions than relying on the sensationalized, human interest story of one governor&#039;s daughter.  My goodness.  No wonder we have the politicians and government we do.  Voters have no idea how to posit the right questions or measure the problem.  We have what we deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares what Palin&#8217;s daughter&#8217;s particular case was!!  There have been multiple reports by the CDC, the UN WHO, and a multitude of other health organizations that have definitively shown that abstinence only programs do not work, and the best predictor of teenage pregnancy is access to information and means of contraception.  Get over the ideology and the anecdotes and learn how to analyze the data, lest you talk total nonsense.  There are reams of statistics on this stuff, which can be used to make more intelligent policy decisions than relying on the sensationalized, human interest story of one governor&#8217;s daughter.  My goodness.  No wonder we have the politicians and government we do.  Voters have no idea how to posit the right questions or measure the problem.  We have what we deserve.</p>
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