Answering back to a nasty email about Palin

My sister forwarded the following email to me from someone who clearly is not a PUMA, which I sent back with my comments:

For those of us who have been stunned by McCain’s VP pick, it seems to fit his cultivation of the idea of “maverick” over thoughtfulness, of political strategy over the good of the country.  We know so little about her.  And apparently, he doesn’t know that much either, but it is a reflection about his process in coming to this “judgment.”  She’s connected through the oil lobby for sure.  The letter below is from Jackie who went to college with Sarah Palin and also lives in Alaska.

As an Alaskan, I am writing to give all of you some information on Sarah Palin, Senator McCain’s choice for VP. As an Alaska voter, I know more than most of you about her and, frankly, I am horrified that he picked her.

The most accurate description of her is red neck.  [So what?  I thought we were a class-free country.] Her husband works in the oil fields of Prudhoe Bay and races snow mobiles. [Is this writer saying that American workers are less worthy than the effete elite?  Yes, I think she is.] She is a life time member of the NRA and has worked tirelessly to allow indiscriminate hunting of wildlife in Alaska, particularly wolves and bears. [Re the NRA, can we say 2nd Amendment?  We the wolves and bears, that’s not true.  Environmental management recommends culling.] She has spent millions of Alaska state dollars on aerial hunting of these predators from helicopters and airplanes, dollars that should have been spent, for example, on Alaska’s failing school system.  [I know about the airplanes, although I doubt the money calculation.  As for the schools, Marin City has long had one of the best funded school systems in America, and it outinely ranks at the bottom in California.  It’s a non sequitur argument.] We have the lowest rate of high school graduation in the country. Not all of you may think aerial predator hunting is so bad, but how anyone (other than Alaska wolf-haters, of which there are many, most without teeth), could think this use of funds is appropriate is beyond me.  If you want to know more about the aerial hunting travesty, let me know and I will send some links to informative web sites.  [Without more facts, I can’t tell is this is a reasonable environmental position or not.  From the tone alone, it sounds like a PETA subscriber is writing this.  She’d probably be shocked to realize that the federal government is one of the largest animal killers through its animal management on federal lands.]

She has been a strong supporter of increased use of fossil fuels, yet the McCain campaign has the nerve to say she has “green” policies. The only thing green about Sarah Palin is her lack of experience. She has consistently supported drilling in ANWR [So do I.  ANWR is a desolate wilderness in the middle of nowhere.  I’d happily sacrifice it to stop sending US money to Russia, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, etc.], use of coal-burning power plants (as I write this, a new coal plant is being built in her home town of Wasilla) [coal is one of the major ways to fuel America.  The goal isn’t to burn less, since we have vast amounts of it, but to burn it cleaner], strip mining, and almost anything else that will unnecessarily exploit the diminishing resources of Alaska and destroy its environment.  [Environmentalists do not tend to have a balancing act between nature’s needs and human needs.  They side only with the former, and to hell with the latter.  I’d need a hell of a lot more information before I got upset about these data free accusations.]

Prior to her one year as governor of Alaska [uh, that would be two years as governor], she was mayor of Wasilla, a small red neck town outside Anchorage.[There’s that redneck thing again.  How snotty is this writer?] The average maximum education level of parents of junior high school kids in Wasilla is 10th grade. [What’s that got to do with being mayor?  This is one mean spirited writer.] Unfortunately, I have to go to Wasilla every week to get groceries and other supplies [I actually suspect it’s that, unfortunately, those poor Wasilla citizens have to deal with you], so I have continual contact with the people who put Palin in office in the first place. I know what I’m talking about. These people don’t have a concept of the world around them or of the serious issues facing the US. [So because he doesn’t like the grocery clerks, she’s saying Sarah is . . . something, something, too earthy?  too hard working?  too polite to give this unusually snotty person the kick in the ass she deserves?] Furthermore, they don’t care. So long as they can go out and hunt their moose every fall, kill wolves and bears and drive their snow mobiles and ATVs through every corner of the wilderness, they’re happy. I wish I were exaggerating.  [They sound like ordinary Americans who do not live in New York, Boston and the San Francisco Bay Area.]

Sarah Palin is currently involved in a political corruption scandal. She fired an individual in law enforcement here because she didn’t like how he treated one of her relatives during a divorce. The man’s performance and ability weren’t considered; it was a totally personal firing and is currently under investigation. While the issue isn’t close to the scandal of Ted Steven’s corruption, it shows that Palin isn’t “squeaky clean” and causes me to think there ay be more issues that could come to light. Clearly McCain doesn’t care.  [Let’s see.  Her former brother in law drove drunk, threatened to kill her father, tasered his 11 year old son, and killed some sort of special Alaska moose without a license, which is apparently a very serious offense.  All of these claims are documented and corroborated as true by independent investigators.  Her staff – not Sarah – but her staff wanted him fired, which is rather unsurprising.  As for the official Sarah did manage to fire, he served at the Governor’s will.  One does have to wonder about the cronyism, endemic to Alaska that sees someone who serves at the governors will work his little hiney off to save the job for a drunken, tasering, murder-threatening, license-free hunter.  This is more an indictment of Alaska’s good ol’ boy network than it is of Sarah.]

When you line Palin up with Biden, the comparison would be laughable if it weren’t so serious. Sarah Palin knows nothing of economics (admittedly a weak area for McCain), or of international affairs, knows nothing of national government, Social Security, unemployment, health care systems – you name it. The idea of her meeting with heads of foreign governments around the world truly frightens me.  [You know, you either respect someone who has spent his whole life in the Senate or you don’t.  And you either respect someone who has twice been caught in major acts of plagiarism, or you don’t.  And you either respect someone whose idea of foreign policy (after a lifetime in the Senate) is to send a huge check to Iran immediately after 9/11, to make the “Arabs” friends with us, never mind that Iranians aren’t Arabs, or you don’t.  And you either respect someone who praised Obama as being a clean, articulate black man, or you don’t.  And so and so forth.  It’s not what he knows, it’s what he is and what he’s done with his knowledge.  As for the “hope” and “change” thing, you kind of have to wonder about the hope and change aspect of a guy who has done nothing in his life but feed at the political trough.]

In an increasingly dangerous world, with the economy in shambles in the US, Sarah Palin is uniquely UNqualified to be vice president. John McCain is not a young man. [I’m really troubled by this assumption that McCain will drop dead immediately upon taking office.  The greater likelihood of a neophyte isn’t Palin stepping into McCain’s shoes sometime I the next four years, it’s Obama stepping into Bush’s shoes in January 2009.] Should something happen to him such that the vice president had to step in, it would destroy our country and possibly the world to have someone as inexperienced and inappropriate as Sarah Palin. The choice of Palin is a cheap shot by McCain to try to get Hillary supporters to vote for him. when McCain introduced her today, Palin had the nerve to compare herself with Hillary and Geraldine Ferraro. Sarah Palin, you are no Hillary Clinton.  [Thank God.  Sarah got there on her own.  Clinton did it the old-fashioned way:  by marrying a politician and destroying anyone who pointed out his failings.]

To those of you who, like me, supported Hilary and were upset that she did not get the nomination, please don’t think that Sarah Palin is a worthy substitute. If you supported Hillary, regardless of what you think the media and the democratic party may have done to undermine her campaign, the person to support now is Obama, not Sarah Palin. To those of you who are independent or undecided, don’t let the choice of Palin sway you in favor of McCain. Choosing her shows how unqualified McCain is to be president. To those of you who are conservative, I guess you have no choice for president. But please try to see how the poor choice of Palin tells us a great deal about McCain’s judgment. While the political posturing inherent in the choice of Palin is obvious, the more serious issue is the fact that the VP is, literally, a heartbeat away from the presidency. Sarah Palin is totally and unequivocally unqualified to be vice president, let alone president.

I know this is a lengthy and emotional email, but the stakes are high. I thought it might help for all of you, regardless of political affiliation, to know something about Palin from someone who has to live with her administration in Alaska on a daily basis.

Question for you: After reading the above, who do you respect more? The hard working, self-made, charismatic, old-fashioned values Sarah Palin, or this embittered intellectual forced to confront nasty real Americans in the wilds of Alaska? I know what my vote would be.

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  • Oldflyer

    Sounds like the writer would be happier in San Francisco, or maybe Marin County.

    Maybe it is because I grew up in a different time and was actually the first in my immediate family to complete college. But, having observed so many very good people with limited education, many of whom I really admired, and many who led successful and meaningful lives by any measure, the attitude of the writer strikes me as ludicrous.

    The diatribe is educational however. I always thought that only we’uns from the South could be rednecks.

    I may be disappointed in the end; it frequently happens with politicians. But, right now I like Sarah Palin a lot.

  • Huan

    sounds rather condescending
    and reads like a list of talking points.

    not even convincing as being from Alaska

  • Bill Smith


    These people live in a world of their own creation, so it’s pointless to point out facts to them. They are not to be convinced, they are to be DEFEATED.

  • David Foster

    In the past week or so, I’ve read the words “redneck,” “white trash,” and “slut” more than I had in the previous decade.

    The masks are off, and it is becoming very clear with what contempt the old-media elite…together with many politicians, academics, and denizens of the “nonprofit” world–view the vast majority of their fellow citizens.

  • Ymarsakar

    [Without more facts, I can’t tell is this is a reasonable environmental position or not. From the tone alone, it sounds like a PETA subscriber is writing this. She’d probably be shocked to realize that the federal government is one of the largest animal killers through its animal management on federal lands.]

    It’s wise to keep the predator population down, as this increases the local caribou output in addition to protecting human life and livestock.

    The predator prey cycle is never unique. It is always going to occur at one time that there are too few prey and too many predators. Bad things start happening until nature rebalances the question. Not exactly a positive thing for those that have died or been attacked by predators in the meantime.

    I’d need a hell of a lot more information before I got upset about these data free accusations.]

    Their goal is to cause environmental problems. For example, their restriction on nuclear power and fear mongering tactics on that subject, has promoted increased use of polluting sources like coal and petro. Exactly what they say they are against, but they are part of the cause of why these things keep going up.

    As for the “hope” and “change” thing, you kind of have to wonder about the hope and change aspect of a guy who has done nothing in his life but feed at the political trough.

    Tools have no idea nor business deciding things above their paygrade. That is done by the masters, of which the author of this email isn’t one of.

    I’m really troubled by this assumption that McCain will drop dead immediately upon taking office.

    That’s their solution to getting defeated. Kill the political opponents. Makes sense, you know.

    To those of you who, like me, supported Hilary and were upset that she did not get the nomination, please don’t think that Sarah Palin is a worthy substitute.

    Substitute? The only thing that can substitute for the author’s heart is a big stone nuclear uranium core, Book. And don’t get me started on what would substitute for her brain.

    Choosing her shows how unqualified McCain is to be president.

    You have no idea what it means to be qualified for the US Presidency. You have no idea what the US Constitution requires, as well.

    Many people continue to think that if they just leave the media alone and get alone to go along, that things will get better. No. Enemies of humanity must be destroyed first. Obstructions must be cleared. The foundation must be laid, but first one must dynamite the area to remove the debris. All things that start on a good footing once required blasting somebody else’s foot off once or twice.

    The media will not leave you alone, regardless of whether you treat them with courtesy, respect, or pacific intentions.

  • Danny Lemieux

    Sorry…there’s only one word for people like the letter-writer: “zero”

    …as hands cup into Obama symbol.

  • Zhombre

    This opinion piece by Gerard Baker touches on the same subject:

  • Mike Devx

    Ah yes, one of the anti-Sarah Palin people up in Alaska. This woman has been speaking out ferociously…

    Did anyone really think Sarah Palin hadn’t made a single enemy on her way up? This detractor is a woman who is a hardcore Democrat. OF COURSE she hates Sarah! You can find a million more of her just by listening to the MSM and reading liberal blogs.

    Refuting her point-by-point is a waste of time. Just mention (sweetly) that Sarah Barracuda was re-elected as mayor with 83% of the vote, and that this vicious woman is merely one of the other 17%. Point out that due to term limits, Sarah Barracuda couldn’t run again, and that her appointed successor won easily.

    Then ask what Sarah has done SINCE her two terms as mayor. Especially in the area of reform and confronting the corrupt within her own party. Compare that to Barack, who nestled himself snugly within the corrupt Daley Chicago machine, was sponsored by the corrupt Daley Chicago machine, and owes his political life to the corrupt Daley Chicago machine.

    Ignore this bitter, partisan attack from one of the few in Wasilla who desperately detests Governor Palin. It’s just not worth paying any attention to her. Are you also going to pay attention to the arguments of Obama’s remaining 42% of the electorate that supports him? Especially the 20% or so that are as rabid as this vicious detractor?

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  • dg

    Here is a second email regarding Palin, published, among other places, in the Nation. There is a lot of innuendo and unsupported allegation in here, but the small town neighbor account does provide a revealing (albeit subjective) portrait of her strengths and weaknesses, achievements and failures:

    The Word From Wasilla
    The Nation

    Everyone is trying to get the measure of Sarah Palin, the woman who was rocketed from small-state obscurity to the national stage when John McCain selected her as his running-mate on the 2008 Republican ticket.

    Republican senators and governors are admitting interviews, as former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, did with me a few minutes ago that: “Most of us don’t really know her personally.”

    Well, Anne Kilkenny does know Sarah Palin.

    Kilkenny’s a good citizen of Wasilla, Alaska, the city where Palin got her political state as a city council member and then mayor. She’s a self-described “housewife” who volunteers as a voter registrar, has been active in the PTA and regularly attends local government meetings.

    She is, as well, someone who has clashed with Palin. More than a decade ago, when Palin was campaigning to ban books, Kilkenny says, “I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah’s attempt at censorship.”

    What’s Kilkenney’s take?

    Here’s a letter she has circulated:

    “I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child’s favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.

    “She is enormously popular; in every way she’s like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won’t vote for her can’t quit smiling when talking about her because she is a “babe”.

    “It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

    “She is “pro-life”. She recently gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

    “She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

    “She is savvy. She doesn’t take positions; she just “puts things out there” and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

    “Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin’s kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

    “Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

    “She’s smart.

    “Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

    “During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.

    “Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative.” During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

    “The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later — to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

    “While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

    “These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

    “As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

    “In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today’s surplus, borrow for needs.

    “She’s not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren’t evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.

    “While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin’s attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

    “Sarah complained about the “old boy’s club” when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of “old boys”. Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal–loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State’s top cop (see below).

    “As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla’s Police Chief because he “intimidated” her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska’s top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it’s pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn’t fire her sister’s ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

    “She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn’t like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

    “Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

    “When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the “old boys’ club” when she dramatically quit, exposing this man’s ethics violations (for which he was fined).

    “As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the “bridge to nowhere” after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

    “As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects–which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance–but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as “anti-pork”.

    “She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

    “Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her “Sarah Barracuda” because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah’s mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

    “As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as “AGIA” that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

    “Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned “as a private citizen” against a state initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State’s lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior’s decision to list polar bears as threatened species.

    “McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.

    “There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

    “However, there’s a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

  • rockdalian

    Just a note to point out the writer said snow mobile when , from my understanding, everyone else up there says snow machine.

    As a kid, for three years in the 50’s, I lived and went to school in Alaska.
    I still have vivid memories of being herded back into school because the occasional black bear would wander out of the woods.

    The wild animal populations must be kept in check, lest a poor dear bear eat a human.

  • Earl

    Someone has suggested a wonderful comeback to the “What if McCain were to die?” meme……you just smile sweetly and say “Well, the first thing Sarah would do is appoint Joe Biden vice President, and then everything would be fine!”

    Heh. I think that would shut up even Dagon.

  • Zhombre

    Even if McCain is elected, Nancy Pelosi will remain two heartbeats away from the Presidency.

  • Danny Lemieux

    Do you mean (gasp!) that Palin would be all that stands between us and Pelosi?

  • Ymarsakar

    “There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

    And Dg thinks the author of the email is one of them.

  • Ymarsakar

    The wild animal populations must be kept in check, lest a poor dear bear eat a human.

    Why should the Black and White Democrat Aristocrats give a damn whether your child gets eaten by a bear or not?

    Protecting the environment requires some sacrifices from the bitter clinging low rent members of the human race, too obsessed with their Ipods and materialism.

  • Ymarsakar

    They call her “Sarah Barracuda” because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness.

    Book, I know you can predict my reactions on this score. Especially considering what I have told you about Bush that I really dislike, which also includes McCain in some respects.

  • Ymarsakar

    BrianE, while Bookworm agrees with you because it is convenient to her simplistic argument

    You were right, d.g People with weak minds truly cannot comprehend the actual details and positions of their political opponents. Regardless of the effort or time used to close the gap.

  • Tiresias

    Interesting, but hardly surprising. Not original or thoughtful, either, and the fact that this person is seemingly unable to eliminate her own view of herself as so splendidly elite from her writing is merely good for a laugh.

    I guess I’m kind of a redneck myself: a member of a volunteer fire department (the others tolerate me despite that I don’t drink beer, maybe because I’m one of only six guys who can drive and engineer every piece of apparatus in the building [there are seven]); I spend the occasional afternoon on a tractor out in the field; cut my own firewood; repair most of what breaks around here – you know: all very non-elite sort of stuff. Don’t hunt, though; but the good old boys see me as a good old boy anyway.

    On the other hand, I’m in both the SR and DeBrett; I’ve been through grad school four times, and give house-room to some 7,000 books. Go figure.

    When you line Palin up with Biden the comparison is indeed laughable, though I suspect perhaps not in the way in which the writer meant. (BTW, Book: had I ever committed plagiarism, which is just about the most awful crime you can commit in academia, I wouldn’t have been given an “F” and invited to repeat the course: I would have been thrown the hell out of the school. So, I suspect, would most of us. What kind of law school allows do-overs for this? And – am I supposed to respect it? Would you have been granted such leniency in your, as you have told us, well-regarded law school?)

    Count me among those who does not particuarly respect a lifetime in the senate. Consider some of the people who’ve done it, if you can’t figure out why.

    You refer to this writer as a “bitter intellectual.” I get the “bitter” part, I’ll reserve judgment on the “intellectual” part.