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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/04/trying-fool-all-people/comment-page-1/#comment-28356</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;BrianE, check the title of this blog section. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
dg, you sly dog. You were agreeing with bookworm&#039;s analysis of the Kuhnhenn propaganda piece.
All this time I thought you agreed with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>BrianE, check the title of this blog section. </p></blockquote>
<p>dg, you sly dog. You were agreeing with bookworm&#8217;s analysis of the Kuhnhenn propaganda piece.<br />
All this time I thought you agreed with it.</p>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/04/trying-fool-all-people/comment-page-1/#comment-28351</link>
		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BrianE, check the title of this blog section.  That&#039;s what I&#039;m talkin&#039; about...  As for McCain&#039;s parting shot in the letter, I guess that&#039;s the pot calling the kettle black since the McCain of 2000 has been replaced by the cynical, disingenious McCain of today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BrianE, check the title of this blog section.  That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m talkin&#8217; about&#8230;  As for McCain&#8217;s parting shot in the letter, I guess that&#8217;s the pot calling the kettle black since the McCain of 2000 has been replaced by the cynical, disingenious McCain of today.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/04/trying-fool-all-people/comment-page-1/#comment-28346</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democrat part are full of character assassins that will sacrifice anything in their way for power and wealth, Book. Palin is a threat to their visions of a &lt;B&gt;better world&lt;/b&gt;. Palin must be destroyed, as soon as possible. Or else, they might actually have to compete on equal terms with the competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democrat part are full of character assassins that will sacrifice anything in their way for power and wealth, Book. Palin is a threat to their visions of a <b>better world</b>. Palin must be destroyed, as soon as possible. Or else, they might actually have to compete on equal terms with the competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/04/trying-fool-all-people/comment-page-1/#comment-28345</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dg and Oz think they are trying to tear down the status quo in the form of Palin and the Republicans. But Dg and Oz are the status quo.

There&#039;s some self-destructive Leftist ideology for ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dg and Oz think they are trying to tear down the status quo in the form of Palin and the Republicans. But Dg and Oz are the status quo.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s some self-destructive Leftist ideology for ya.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/04/trying-fool-all-people/comment-page-1/#comment-28340</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;saying that it is part of some conspiracy to fool people all of the time is entirely another&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You said that, not me. In fact you&#039;ve said it twice. Does repetition make it seem more factual in your mind?
I must be part of that vast right-wing conspiracy Hillary was talking about.

Anyway, if that&#039;s the major legislation you want to tout proving Obama&#039;s legislative accomplishments, go right ahead.

Kuhnhenn was attempting to rebutt Palin&#039;s statement that Obama had not moved a &quot;major law or reform&quot;. It was his foolish assertion that the nuclear anti-proliferation was major legislation that I question. 

The extent of Obama&#039;s involvement in reform legislation-- at least Obama&#039;s assertion he worked across the isle with McCain on it is also suspect.

If you remember that prompted the famous letter to Obama in 2006 from John McCain which closed with:

&quot;As I noted, I initially believed you shared that goal (ethics reform). But I understand how important the opportunity to lead your party&#039;s effort to exploit this issue must seem to a freshman Senator, and I hold no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness. Again, I have been around long enough to appreciate that in politics the public interest isn&#039;t always a priority for every one of us. Good luck to you, Senator.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>saying that it is part of some conspiracy to fool people all of the time is entirely another</p></blockquote>
<p>You said that, not me. In fact you&#8217;ve said it twice. Does repetition make it seem more factual in your mind?<br />
I must be part of that vast right-wing conspiracy Hillary was talking about.</p>
<p>Anyway, if that&#8217;s the major legislation you want to tout proving Obama&#8217;s legislative accomplishments, go right ahead.</p>
<p>Kuhnhenn was attempting to rebutt Palin&#8217;s statement that Obama had not moved a &#8220;major law or reform&#8221;. It was his foolish assertion that the nuclear anti-proliferation was major legislation that I question. </p>
<p>The extent of Obama&#8217;s involvement in reform legislation&#8211; at least Obama&#8217;s assertion he worked across the isle with McCain on it is also suspect.</p>
<p>If you remember that prompted the famous letter to Obama in 2006 from John McCain which closed with:</p>
<p>&#8220;As I noted, I initially believed you shared that goal (ethics reform). But I understand how important the opportunity to lead your party&#8217;s effort to exploit this issue must seem to a freshman Senator, and I hold no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness. Again, I have been around long enough to appreciate that in politics the public interest isn&#8217;t always a priority for every one of us. Good luck to you, Senator.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
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		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BrianE, first, saying the AP was wrong on the article and saying that it is part of some conspiracy to fool people all of the time is entirely another.  Second, as you know, I didn&#039;t write the piece, so if the reference to the ethics reform is not the second piece of legislation that you are looking for, I suggest that you email the author of the story.  Third, that Obama&#039;s name appeared as a cosponsor late in the process does not mean that he didn&#039;t rewrite much of the bill or none of it (it proves nothing), so the AP story may or may not be correct that he had a leadership role on that piece of legislation.  Thanks for the link to the non-partisan Cato Institute for their view of his work as a legislator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BrianE, first, saying the AP was wrong on the article and saying that it is part of some conspiracy to fool people all of the time is entirely another.  Second, as you know, I didn&#8217;t write the piece, so if the reference to the ethics reform is not the second piece of legislation that you are looking for, I suggest that you email the author of the story.  Third, that Obama&#8217;s name appeared as a cosponsor late in the process does not mean that he didn&#8217;t rewrite much of the bill or none of it (it proves nothing), so the AP story may or may not be correct that he had a leadership role on that piece of legislation.  Thanks for the link to the non-partisan Cato Institute for their view of his work as a legislator.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reform we can believe in!

&lt;blockquote&gt;Emil Jones, president of the Illinois senate and Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s enforcer, was Obama’s mentor. Obama often points to an ethics bill he “sponsored” in 1998 to bolster his reform and bipartisan credentials. The ethics bill allows Jones to retire next year and convert $578,000 (the amount he had in his account in 1998 minus income taxes) to his personal bank account. That’s not change you can believe in, it’s change Jones can bank on.

Obama’s bill barred fundraising on state property and blocked lobbyists from giving gifts to legislators. It did not, however, end the pay-to-play system of patronage championed by another Obama associate — Tony Rezko. Don’t blame Obama, though. He didn’t actually write the law, as reported by author David Freddoso: 

“[Obama] was not the one to propose the ethics bill in the Illinois senate. He was not even a cosponsor until the day it passed. Five months after the ethics bill was introduced, and more than one month after it reached the senate, Obama was invited by Emil Jones to become its chief Democratic cosponsor. As David Mendell writes in Obama: From Promise to Power, former Rep. Abner Mikva convinced Jones to let Obama handle the legislation. Sen. Dick Klemm (D.) was removed as chief cosponsor and replaced by Obama on May 22, 1998 — the very day the bill passed.”

Obama has had a mixed record of reform in the U.S. Senate. He declined to seek earmarks this year. In past years, he has released his earmark requests. &lt;strong&gt;He worked on the Democrats’ ethics legislation in 2007, which required disclosure of earmark sponsors but balked at further reforms; earmark requests are still secret.&lt;/strong&gt; Despite Obama’s lofty talk about bipartisanship, he and McCain furiously clashed on ethics reform, and Obama was used by Senate leaders as a hatchet man to hammer Republicans on corruption.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/09/02/palin-vs-obama-on-reform-and-ethics/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reform we can believe in!</p>
<blockquote><p>Emil Jones, president of the Illinois senate and Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s enforcer, was Obama’s mentor. Obama often points to an ethics bill he “sponsored” in 1998 to bolster his reform and bipartisan credentials. The ethics bill allows Jones to retire next year and convert $578,000 (the amount he had in his account in 1998 minus income taxes) to his personal bank account. That’s not change you can believe in, it’s change Jones can bank on.</p>
<p>Obama’s bill barred fundraising on state property and blocked lobbyists from giving gifts to legislators. It did not, however, end the pay-to-play system of patronage championed by another Obama associate — Tony Rezko. Don’t blame Obama, though. He didn’t actually write the law, as reported by author David Freddoso: </p>
<p>“[Obama] was not the one to propose the ethics bill in the Illinois senate. He was not even a cosponsor until the day it passed. Five months after the ethics bill was introduced, and more than one month after it reached the senate, Obama was invited by Emil Jones to become its chief Democratic cosponsor. As David Mendell writes in Obama: From Promise to Power, former Rep. Abner Mikva convinced Jones to let Obama handle the legislation. Sen. Dick Klemm (D.) was removed as chief cosponsor and replaced by Obama on May 22, 1998 — the very day the bill passed.”</p>
<p>Obama has had a mixed record of reform in the U.S. Senate. He declined to seek earmarks this year. In past years, he has released his earmark requests. <strong>He worked on the Democrats’ ethics legislation in 2007, which required disclosure of earmark sponsors but balked at further reforms; earmark requests are still secret.</strong> Despite Obama’s lofty talk about bipartisanship, he and McCain furiously clashed on ethics reform, and Obama was used by Senate leaders as a hatchet man to hammer Republicans on corruption.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/09/02/palin-vs-obama-on-reform-and-ethics/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/09/02/palin-vs-obama-on-reform-and-ethics/</a></p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah the papers I worked for used AP also. So what. All that means is when the AP is wrong, a whole lot of people are wrong.
And the other major piece of legislation is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah the papers I worked for used AP also. So what. All that means is when the AP is wrong, a whole lot of people are wrong.<br />
And the other major piece of legislation is?</p>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
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		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article cites ethics reform as the other legislation.  I suppose you get your international news via smoke signals.  Last I checked, even Fox News uses AP wire to pick up their stories.  I believe the majority of news stories globally are sourced via one of the major wires, and AP is the biggest.  My Bloomberg machine at work has tons of financial stories coming off AP, and Bloomberg has its own newsroom.  But call &#039;em twits if you like.  I&#039;m sure you have your proprietary news sources that are  much, much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article cites ethics reform as the other legislation.  I suppose you get your international news via smoke signals.  Last I checked, even Fox News uses AP wire to pick up their stories.  I believe the majority of news stories globally are sourced via one of the major wires, and AP is the biggest.  My Bloomberg machine at work has tons of financial stories coming off AP, and Bloomberg has its own newsroom.  But call &#8216;em twits if you like.  I&#8217;m sure you have your proprietary news sources that are  much, much better.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;BrianE, I did not say that. The AP reporter did.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I suggest you check it yourself, and not rely on those twits for your talking points.
And the other major legislation is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>BrianE, I did not say that. The AP reporter did.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suggest you check it yourself, and not rely on those twits for your talking points.<br />
And the other major legislation is?</p>
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