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	<description>Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts.</description>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/05/the-hunt-for-sarah-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-28871</link>
		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y, you said:  &quot;how can you comprehend that Palin sees a difference between Congress mandating a project for Alaska and Alaska deciding to build their own infrastructure according to their views of what is profitable and economical?&quot;  But this question is not really relevant because it is not what she said, nor what she is being held up as (i.e., the virtuous crusader against pork and earmarks).

Here is Palin&#039;s quote:  “Thanks, but no thanks, Congress.”  This implies rejecting money from Congress, does it not.  It kind of implies that Congress was trying to give her something and she turned it down, no? Is that really what happened here? Not really.  She kept the money for other pet projects.  That is not fiscal reform.  That is like saying someone else robbed the bank but I elected not to return the cash...  Not very virtuous or maverick-like, I would think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y, you said:  &#8220;how can you comprehend that Palin sees a difference between Congress mandating a project for Alaska and Alaska deciding to build their own infrastructure according to their views of what is profitable and economical?&#8221;  But this question is not really relevant because it is not what she said, nor what she is being held up as (i.e., the virtuous crusader against pork and earmarks).</p>
<p>Here is Palin&#8217;s quote:  “Thanks, but no thanks, Congress.”  This implies rejecting money from Congress, does it not.  It kind of implies that Congress was trying to give her something and she turned it down, no? Is that really what happened here? Not really.  She kept the money for other pet projects.  That is not fiscal reform.  That is like saying someone else robbed the bank but I elected not to return the cash&#8230;  Not very virtuous or maverick-like, I would think.</p>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/05/the-hunt-for-sarah-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-28868</link>
		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y, actually, the classic strategy is yours:  AVOIDING A DIRECT REBUTTAL OF THE FACTS SUPPLIED and instead falsely analogizing to a completely different situation.  Try rebutting the story I supplied above, or admit that the author is right and you are wrong.  It isn&#039;t hard to use logic, and it&#039;s a great way to make mental progress.  All else is propaganda and noise.  This is why Bookworm and others would rather remain silent.  There are no tar babies when facts and numbers are used, because they tend to clean up the stickiness very quickly.  I&#039;ve had great debates on this site with some because we&#039;ve engaged each other without fear of where an analysis of the facts might lead.  It&#039;s too bad not everyone is so honest and forthright in their discussions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y, actually, the classic strategy is yours:  AVOIDING A DIRECT REBUTTAL OF THE FACTS SUPPLIED and instead falsely analogizing to a completely different situation.  Try rebutting the story I supplied above, or admit that the author is right and you are wrong.  It isn&#8217;t hard to use logic, and it&#8217;s a great way to make mental progress.  All else is propaganda and noise.  This is why Bookworm and others would rather remain silent.  There are no tar babies when facts and numbers are used, because they tend to clean up the stickiness very quickly.  I&#8217;ve had great debates on this site with some because we&#8217;ve engaged each other without fear of where an analysis of the facts might lead.  It&#8217;s too bad not everyone is so honest and forthright in their discussions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/05/the-hunt-for-sarah-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-28864</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;That’s the Alaska King Crab of Flip Flops. Or, as the nonpartisan Politifact called it, “We rate Palin’s position a Full Flop.”&lt;/b&gt;

You people can&#039;t even read Amanie&#039;s intentions, let alone Palin&#039;s. Cause you can&#039;t even see your own intentions and the intentions of your allies in a true light. How can you comprehend what Palin was speaking of: how can you comprehend that Palin sees a difference between Congress mandating a project for Alaska and Alaska deciding to build their own infrastructure according to their views of what is profitable and economical?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>That’s the Alaska King Crab of Flip Flops. Or, as the nonpartisan Politifact called it, “We rate Palin’s position a Full Flop.”</b></p>
<p>You people can&#8217;t even read Amanie&#8217;s intentions, let alone Palin&#8217;s. Cause you can&#8217;t even see your own intentions and the intentions of your allies in a true light. How can you comprehend what Palin was speaking of: how can you comprehend that Palin sees a difference between Congress mandating a project for Alaska and Alaska deciding to build their own infrastructure according to their views of what is profitable and economical?</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/05/the-hunt-for-sarah-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-28863</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the stuff dg said is about the same as what Jeffrey, at Grim&#039;s Hall, spoke concerning how Petraeus could have gotten the exact same results in the surge, if Petraeus got loss troops than he said would be necessary for the surge.

This kind of historical revision, of self-denial and illusion, is not a good thing.

CHanging the past, whether you call it Yellow Cake Niger, No WMDs, intelligence was sexed up, Bush mislead the nation, are all attempts to wear away at the energy of McCain and Palin in crafting real solutions to real problems now.

Once you have leeched their attention and the attention of their supporters to the causes you wish to speak about, that you wish they would devote their energies to defend, then you speak about how McCain and Palin aren&#039;t getting anything done, now.

It&#039;s classic strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the stuff dg said is about the same as what Jeffrey, at Grim&#8217;s Hall, spoke concerning how Petraeus could have gotten the exact same results in the surge, if Petraeus got loss troops than he said would be necessary for the surge.</p>
<p>This kind of historical revision, of self-denial and illusion, is not a good thing.</p>
<p>CHanging the past, whether you call it Yellow Cake Niger, No WMDs, intelligence was sexed up, Bush mislead the nation, are all attempts to wear away at the energy of McCain and Palin in crafting real solutions to real problems now.</p>
<p>Once you have leeched their attention and the attention of their supporters to the causes you wish to speak about, that you wish they would devote their energies to defend, then you speak about how McCain and Palin aren&#8217;t getting anything done, now.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s classic strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
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		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the lefty land of SF--Bookworm&#039;s neck of the woods, I believe--comes an interesting article on Palin&#039;s flip flop on the bridge-to-nowhere:

Contradiction Watch: Palin&#039;s Neverending Fib to Nowhere
The San Francisco Chronicle

GOP VP nominee Sarah Palin is a newcomer, but she&#039;s using the oldest political tactic ever: If you repeat an inaccurate statement enough times, it becomes fact -- at least in the ears of folks who barely pay attention to politics. As GOP consultant Mike Murphy would say, this is all so &quot;cynical&quot;.

In its quest to transform someone with only 21 months of governing something more populous than the Cow Palace into the next Teddy Roosevelt, the McCain campaign repeats this error about Palin in a TV ad it dropped Monday: &quot;She stopped the Bridge to Nowhere.&quot;

It&#039;s not &quot;stopping it&quot; when it was virtually dead by the time she had a chance to kill it. Congress decided to pull funding for the bridge TWO YEARS before Palin&#039;s decision. &quot;It wasn&#039;t really a bold move when she did it,&quot; said Lois Epstein, who opposed the bridge as a memember of the Alaska Transportation Priorities Project.

Besides, she totally flip-flopped on the project, supporting it before she opposed it. In October 2006, Palin responded to a written questionnaire from the Anchorage Daily News. One question: &quot;Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?&quot;

Palin: &quot;Yes. I would like to see Alaska&#039;s infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now -- while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.&quot;

That&#039;s the Alaska King Crab of Flip Flops. Or, as the nonpartisan Politifact called it, &quot;We rate Palin&#039;s position a Full Flop.&quot;


Full article is at:  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&amp;entry_id=30024</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the lefty land of SF&#8211;Bookworm&#8217;s neck of the woods, I believe&#8211;comes an interesting article on Palin&#8217;s flip flop on the bridge-to-nowhere:</p>
<p>Contradiction Watch: Palin&#8217;s Neverending Fib to Nowhere<br />
The San Francisco Chronicle</p>
<p>GOP VP nominee Sarah Palin is a newcomer, but she&#8217;s using the oldest political tactic ever: If you repeat an inaccurate statement enough times, it becomes fact &#8212; at least in the ears of folks who barely pay attention to politics. As GOP consultant Mike Murphy would say, this is all so &#8220;cynical&#8221;.</p>
<p>In its quest to transform someone with only 21 months of governing something more populous than the Cow Palace into the next Teddy Roosevelt, the McCain campaign repeats this error about Palin in a TV ad it dropped Monday: &#8220;She stopped the Bridge to Nowhere.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not &#8220;stopping it&#8221; when it was virtually dead by the time she had a chance to kill it. Congress decided to pull funding for the bridge TWO YEARS before Palin&#8217;s decision. &#8220;It wasn&#8217;t really a bold move when she did it,&#8221; said Lois Epstein, who opposed the bridge as a memember of the Alaska Transportation Priorities Project.</p>
<p>Besides, she totally flip-flopped on the project, supporting it before she opposed it. In October 2006, Palin responded to a written questionnaire from the Anchorage Daily News. One question: &#8220;Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?&#8221;</p>
<p>Palin: &#8220;Yes. I would like to see Alaska&#8217;s infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now &#8212; while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the Alaska King Crab of Flip Flops. Or, as the nonpartisan Politifact called it, &#8220;We rate Palin&#8217;s position a Full Flop.&#8221;</p>
<p>Full article is at:  <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&amp;entry_id=30024" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&amp;entry_id=30024</a></p>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/05/the-hunt-for-sarah-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-28762</link>
		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, I do have children and say what I do as a parent as well as one who knows a lot of other parents.  My wife teaches school (although she used to be a doctor) and can with great accuracy determine within 5 minutes how her students will do in the class based upon the parents she observes during the school orientation at the start of the year.  The dirty little secret is that parents have a much bigger impact on their children than the schools or friends that also come into contact with them.  Children, it is widely believed, turn to reckless behavior because they do not receive enough love or attention from their parents.  If my children resort to this type of behavior, I will blame myself above all else.

SueK, I am not in favor of anything you are proposing in your last post.  And those are not the only logical conclusions to draw from mine.  My comment goes as far as it does but no further, and I think it speaks for itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, I do have children and say what I do as a parent as well as one who knows a lot of other parents.  My wife teaches school (although she used to be a doctor) and can with great accuracy determine within 5 minutes how her students will do in the class based upon the parents she observes during the school orientation at the start of the year.  The dirty little secret is that parents have a much bigger impact on their children than the schools or friends that also come into contact with them.  Children, it is widely believed, turn to reckless behavior because they do not receive enough love or attention from their parents.  If my children resort to this type of behavior, I will blame myself above all else.</p>
<p>SueK, I am not in favor of anything you are proposing in your last post.  And those are not the only logical conclusions to draw from mine.  My comment goes as far as it does but no further, and I think it speaks for itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/05/the-hunt-for-sarah-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-28757</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DG - do you have children?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DG &#8211; do you have children?</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/05/the-hunt-for-sarah-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-28733</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;This is not a prejudice against her but a judgment, based upon statistics, against all parents of kids who end up in these bad situations.&gt;&gt;

So you&#039;re in favor of tightening up the restrictions on divorces for couples who have children?  Or are you saying that the state should support single parents who have children so that they don&#039;t have to work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;This is not a prejudice against her but a judgment, based upon statistics, against all parents of kids who end up in these bad situations.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re in favor of tightening up the restrictions on divorces for couples who have children?  Or are you saying that the state should support single parents who have children so that they don&#8217;t have to work?</p>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/05/the-hunt-for-sarah-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-28729</link>
		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y, any mother of a 17 year pregnant girl is prima facie partly responsible for that unfortunate outcome.  This is not about politics, but common sense and a recognition that parents who are actively engaged in their kids&#039; lives greatly reduce the likelihood that their kids engage in such risky behaviors as drugs or premarital sex.  This is not a prejudice against her but a judgment, based upon statistics, against all parents of kids who end up in these bad situations.

Also, I attack the left on their blogs and the right on their blogs, thus encouraging everyone to think outside the box a little more than they normally would.  Some respond positively to this, while others do not.  It&#039;s your choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y, any mother of a 17 year pregnant girl is prima facie partly responsible for that unfortunate outcome.  This is not about politics, but common sense and a recognition that parents who are actively engaged in their kids&#8217; lives greatly reduce the likelihood that their kids engage in such risky behaviors as drugs or premarital sex.  This is not a prejudice against her but a judgment, based upon statistics, against all parents of kids who end up in these bad situations.</p>
<p>Also, I attack the left on their blogs and the right on their blogs, thus encouraging everyone to think outside the box a little more than they normally would.  Some respond positively to this, while others do not.  It&#8217;s your choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/05/the-hunt-for-sarah-in-alaska/comment-page-1/#comment-28643</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;I’d think her a pretty bad mother for allowing her daughter to get pregnant twice as a minor, and I’d take her abstinence-only sex-ed policies to task even more harshly than I do now. But I wouldn’t think that it should disqualify her from becoming Vice President or McCain President.&lt;/b&gt;

You are already prejudiced against her on this score, absent the facts and independent corroboration.

While it&#039;s nice that you want to remove that bias and prejudice from the consideration of Palin as VP, it continues to be a source of prejudice and bias on your part, personally, which influences your views in ways that neither you nor I can comprehend fully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I’d think her a pretty bad mother for allowing her daughter to get pregnant twice as a minor, and I’d take her abstinence-only sex-ed policies to task even more harshly than I do now. But I wouldn’t think that it should disqualify her from becoming Vice President or McCain President.</b></p>
<p>You are already prejudiced against her on this score, absent the facts and independent corroboration.</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s nice that you want to remove that bias and prejudice from the consideration of Palin as VP, it continues to be a source of prejudice and bias on your part, personally, which influences your views in ways that neither you nor I can comprehend fully.</p>
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