but when she speaks of racism, she is speaking of it from the “white privilege” and “institutional racism” world view.

Oh, well when you put it like THAT. So really when I say “economic ignorance” and “…you don’t get it…” I mean it in the institutional way, as in a general vacuum of literacy in things that concern both micro and macro economics.

No offense Ymar…..just venting….

The Watcher’s Councils nominations are up! Council Submissions The Glittering Eye – Don’t Just Do Something, Stand There – I’ll admit that I’m impressed that Sen. McCain has called for a suspension of the campaign in order to deal with the financia…

My mother bore me in the southern wild,
And I am black, but oh my soul is white!
White as an angel is the English child,
But I am black, as if bereaved of light.

My mother taught me underneath a tree,
And, sitting down before the heat of day,
She took me on her lap and kissed me,
And, pointed to the east, began to say:

“Look on the rising sun: there God does live,
And gives His light, and gives His heat away,
And flowers and trees and beasts and men receive
Comfort in morning, joy in the noonday.

“And we are put on earth a little space,
That we may learn to bear the beams of love
And these black bodies and this sunburnt face
Is but a cloud, and like a shady grove.

“For when our souls have learn’d the heat to bear,
The cloud will vanish, we shall hear His voice,
Saying, ‘Come out from the grove, my love and care
And round my golden tent like lambs rejoice’,”

Thus did my mother say, and kissed me;
And thus I say to little English boy.
When I from black and he from white cloud free,
And round the tent of God like lambs we joy

I’ll shade him from the heat till he can bear
To lean in joy upon our Father’s knee;
And then I’ll stand and stroke his silver hair,
And be like him, and he will then love me.

Perahps the racism in this poem is evident. Perhaps not.

Old John with white hair
Does laugh away care,
Sitting under the oak,
Among the old folk.
They laugh at our play,
And soon they all say:
�Such, such were the joys
When we all, girls and boys,
In our youth-time were seen
On the echoing green.�

Till the little ones weary
No more can be merry;
The sun does descend,
And our sports have an end.
Round the laps of their mother
Many sisters and brothers,
Like birds in their nest,
Are ready for rest;
And sport no more seen
On the darkening green.

William Blake (1757-1827) P. 1789

This is true for the birth and death of anything.

By Republican principles, voting for Democrats is the same as voting to keep racism alive, prejudice alive, and discrimination and oppression of minorities vigorous. You, helen, can’t conceive that what you believe is true of the Democrat party is only ever true of the Republican party, and what you believe to be the truth of the Republican party is actually true of the Democrat party.

Sadly, Helen, you have been deceived. Look at the present financial situation. In three years Obama has received more in contributions from the FMs than all the Senators but one. He has earmarked nearly one _billion_ dollars during his short time on the Senate, some of which directly benefited him, through a tripling of his wife’s salary.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/obama_dollars.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/big_labors_billion_dollar_bet_1.html

Read these with an open mind. Does your faith in Obama supercede your reason?

You people here may or may not have already known this about helen, but when she speaks of racism, she is speaking of it from the “white privilege” and “institutional racism” world view. That world view shares the same fundamental class warfare thesis as communism. The thesis states that due to the fact that some races will be more successful than other races, this creates an inevitable race warfare much as Marx’s class warfare. The “racism” then is the perpetuation of the difference in race, economically and politically. Just like Marx, so long as there is a difference between race or class, whether that difference is justified or not, there will be an inevitable conflict amongst people of different races and classes. The rich subdue and oppress the poor proletariat, just like the whites subdue and oppress the weak blacks and minorities. This is white privilege. This is where helen is coming from.

When you think of racism, most classical liberals jump to issues of justice, fairness, and equal treatment. Helen is not talking about those things. They are not top priorities.

Your cold-blooded insults directed at me are no longer welcome. Good-bye.

Oh happy day.

“I have no name;
I am but two days old.”
What shall I call thee?
“I happy am,
Joy is my name.”
Sweet joy befall thee!

Pretty joy!
Sweet joy, but two days old.
Sweet Joy I call thee:
Thou dost smile,
I sing the while;
Sweet joy befall thee! -William Blake

Woot woot

Dagon could someday develop into a good debate partner if he’d stop being so lazy in his writing and get his temper under control.

You should have seen Dagon attacking Book a few years ago. Nasty misogynistic stuff right there. No surprise Dagon’s part of the pack trying to eliminate Sarah.

If you aren’t, I don’t get it

You don’t get that we’re asking you to believe that everything you have been taught your entire life was a lie, helen? That’s not that complex to get, compared to actually accepting it.

If you’re one of the top few, I understand why you’d want to vote Republican. If you aren’t, I don’t get it. . . . unless you (not you personally, anyone who holds this view) really are racist, and think it’s better to side with whites than to admit that financially at least you are more similar to blacks and Hispanics (as a whole, not citing the exceptions).

This is bullshit. This is an opinion based on an abject ignorance of basic economics and human nature. You’re right, you don’t get it. I have news for you, Helen. There are more poor white people than black or hispanic, not that anybody’s skin color means a damn thing. But apparently it means everything to you. Your opinion is beyond offensive. Barry Obama and his wife are the top few, in case you hadn’t heard the news. Go ahead and buy his line of crap. I’ll pray for you while you wallow in that filth.

BrianE (#101) is absolutely correct. It’s an invitation to join me.

BrianE, (#99)

Obama’s Official site http://www.barackobama.com/index.php states the following: “I’m asking you to believe. Not just in my ability to bring about real change in Washington . . . I’m asking you to believe in yours.” That sounds like he’s the preacher (the leader) not the messiah. Sounds like an altar call to me. Like what you’d hear any Sunday morning in many protestant churches. Obama is a fallible human being. A sinner saved by God’s grace. Just like rest of us.

What he is calling for is more attention (and breaks) for common people and fewer for the top few. That’s the change he hopes to bring to Washington. If you’re one of the top few, I understand why you’d want to vote Republican. If you aren’t, I don’t get it. . . . unless you (not you personally, anyone who holds this view) really are racist, and think it’s better to side with whites than to admit that financially at least you are more similar to blacks and Hispanics (as a whole, not citing the exceptions). The rich will stay rich in anybody’s plan. It’s just that the government will work for and by poor folks, too. Just think how many homes for the homeless that “bailout money” could buy.

I, too, “look forward to the day when people stop hating and hurting each other.” And I have hope that we can make the world – not perfect – but more nearly the way God has always planned.