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		<title>By: Free Will: Talking about Firefly and Eugenics &#171; Sake White</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/25/when-god-closes-a-door-he-sometimes-opens-a-window/comment-page-1/#comment-31876</link>
		<dc:creator>Free Will: Talking about Firefly and Eugenics &#171; Sake White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rhymes With Right</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/09/25/when-god-closes-a-door-he-sometimes-opens-a-window/comment-page-1/#comment-31661</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhymes With Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Lots Of Watcher&#039;s Council Results...&lt;/strong&gt;

Here are the results from council votes that I&#039;ve missed posting since Hurricane Ike. I offer my apologies for the delays, and hope to do better in the future. OCTOBER 10 Winning Council Entries First place with 2 2/3 votes!......</description>
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<p>Here are the results from council votes that I&#8217;ve missed posting since Hurricane Ike. I offer my apologies for the delays, and hope to do better in the future. OCTOBER 10 Winning Council Entries First place with 2 2/3 votes!&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick OHannigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick OHannigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A wonderfully thoughtful post, Bookworm. I had not heard of Paul Smith before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A wonderfully thoughtful post, Bookworm. I had not heard of Paul Smith before.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellie2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see McCain (or anyone for that matter) hit the issue of eugenics head on.  The State of Oregon provides some sort of socialized medicine, a la Canada and Europe.  It will not pay for life-prolonging drugs, but it will -- helpfully? -- pay for assisted suicide drugs.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/oregons_suicidal_approach_to_h.html

As a boomer, I do not want to be told that it is my duty to society to march into the ovens.  As a female I do not want the Minister of Health to tell me it is my duty to abort a &quot;defective&quot; child.

Please God, may this election open as many eyes as it has opened mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see McCain (or anyone for that matter) hit the issue of eugenics head on.  The State of Oregon provides some sort of socialized medicine, a la Canada and Europe.  It will not pay for life-prolonging drugs, but it will &#8212; helpfully? &#8212; pay for assisted suicide drugs.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/oregons_suicidal_approach_to_h.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/oregons_suicidal_approach_to_h.html</a></p>
<p>As a boomer, I do not want to be told that it is my duty to society to march into the ovens.  As a female I do not want the Minister of Health to tell me it is my duty to abort a &#8220;defective&#8221; child.</p>
<p>Please God, may this election open as many eyes as it has opened mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This relates to some of the things I&#039;ve written about ethics, free will, and macro scale planning. To a certain extent, &quot;perfectibility&quot; is a bad state to be in. In the universal laws of physics, the &quot;perfect&quot; is the unchanging and the static. The static is the stagnant and the stagnant is the dead or soon to be dead and replaced.

Once the nuclear fusion inside a star goes &quot;static&quot;, meaning the pressure coming in exceeds the pressure going out from the fusion, the star collapses and dies until a new equilibrium is reaches. The key note here is &quot;equilibrium&quot;, &quot;balance&quot;, and &quot;harmony&quot;. These things are not the same thing as stagnancy, static things, and perfect things/states.

If you recognize the free will of each individual, you can reach a state of harmony but not a state of perfection. A star does not collapse because of its mass due to the fact that its fusion provides a counter-balancing force against gravity&#039;s pull. But once things are made &quot;perfect&quot; and unchanging, then it will collapse. It has to. There&#039;s no life there any more: no energy either.

The same is true of human hierarchies and weather patterns (Chaos Theory&#039;s butterfly effect). The Left believes optimal maximum is reached by forcing people and things to their will. People like me believe that optimal maximum for the human species is reached through the competition of people&#039;s free wills. The goal is similar, in that I want a state of super constructs that operate more efficiently than the sum of its parts. But my way does not require the &quot;perfection&quot; and stagnancy of each individual component in that super structure. THe Left doesn&#039;t know how to compete fairly so they jack the system up by cheating, by making their individual units &quot;perfect&quot;.

But it doesn&#039;t work. You cannot create harmony or any great super structure more effective than the sum of its parts by locking in stasis the state of every component. That&#039;s not just me, as a single human, saying that. Those are the laws of the universe itself. You cannot have &quot;stuff&quot; going on in the universe, planets, stars, and galaxies without things that change: often they change unexpectedly along unpredictable routes. Quantum theory even posits that things change based upon perception, not just luck. Evolution also demands that cells cooperate together. There is no such thing as a &quot;super cell that can&#039;t get any better cause it is now godlike&quot;. There is such a thing as symbiosis, cooperation, and competition between cells, however, that create higher level organisms and species.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This relates to some of the things I&#8217;ve written about ethics, free will, and macro scale planning. To a certain extent, &#8220;perfectibility&#8221; is a bad state to be in. In the universal laws of physics, the &#8220;perfect&#8221; is the unchanging and the static. The static is the stagnant and the stagnant is the dead or soon to be dead and replaced.</p>
<p>Once the nuclear fusion inside a star goes &#8220;static&#8221;, meaning the pressure coming in exceeds the pressure going out from the fusion, the star collapses and dies until a new equilibrium is reaches. The key note here is &#8220;equilibrium&#8221;, &#8220;balance&#8221;, and &#8220;harmony&#8221;. These things are not the same thing as stagnancy, static things, and perfect things/states.</p>
<p>If you recognize the free will of each individual, you can reach a state of harmony but not a state of perfection. A star does not collapse because of its mass due to the fact that its fusion provides a counter-balancing force against gravity&#8217;s pull. But once things are made &#8220;perfect&#8221; and unchanging, then it will collapse. It has to. There&#8217;s no life there any more: no energy either.</p>
<p>The same is true of human hierarchies and weather patterns (Chaos Theory&#8217;s butterfly effect). The Left believes optimal maximum is reached by forcing people and things to their will. People like me believe that optimal maximum for the human species is reached through the competition of people&#8217;s free wills. The goal is similar, in that I want a state of super constructs that operate more efficiently than the sum of its parts. But my way does not require the &#8220;perfection&#8221; and stagnancy of each individual component in that super structure. THe Left doesn&#8217;t know how to compete fairly so they jack the system up by cheating, by making their individual units &#8220;perfect&#8221;.</p>
<p>But it doesn&#8217;t work. You cannot create harmony or any great super structure more effective than the sum of its parts by locking in stasis the state of every component. That&#8217;s not just me, as a single human, saying that. Those are the laws of the universe itself. You cannot have &#8220;stuff&#8221; going on in the universe, planets, stars, and galaxies without things that change: often they change unexpectedly along unpredictable routes. Quantum theory even posits that things change based upon perception, not just luck. Evolution also demands that cells cooperate together. There is no such thing as a &#8220;super cell that can&#8217;t get any better cause it is now godlike&#8221;. There is such a thing as symbiosis, cooperation, and competition between cells, however, that create higher level organisms and species.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;- but I was born without handicaps so I did not speak out.&lt;/b&gt;

I think it might flow better if that was &quot;but I had no handicaps, so I did not speak out&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>- but I was born without handicaps so I did not speak out.</b></p>
<p>I think it might flow better if that was &#8220;but I had no handicaps, so I did not speak out&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out these two links, BOok.

http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2008/07/making-people-b.html

&lt;I&gt;    Y&#039;all got on this boat for different reasons, but y&#039;all come to the same place. So now I&#039;m asking more of you than I have before. Maybe all. Sure as I know anything, I know this - they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They&#039;ll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better. And I do not hold to that. So no more runnin&#039;. I aim to misbehave.

        Captain Mal Reynolds (Nathan Fillion) Serenity&lt;/i&gt;

If you have watched the movie, that should synch up nicely with your post here, Book. I can&#039;t say much without spoiling the movie for others, but folks here who have watched Serenity knows.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2008/04/on-firefly-and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out these two links, BOok.</p>
<p><a href="http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2008/07/making-people-b.html" rel="nofollow">http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2008/07/making-people-b.html</a></p>
<p><i>    Y&#8217;all got on this boat for different reasons, but y&#8217;all come to the same place. So now I&#8217;m asking more of you than I have before. Maybe all. Sure as I know anything, I know this &#8211; they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They&#8217;ll swing back to the belief that they can make people&#8230; better. And I do not hold to that. So no more runnin&#8217;. I aim to misbehave.</p>
<p>        Captain Mal Reynolds (Nathan Fillion) Serenity</i></p>
<p>If you have watched the movie, that should synch up nicely with your post here, Book. I can&#8217;t say much without spoiling the movie for others, but folks here who have watched Serenity knows.</p>
<p><a href="http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2008/04/on-firefly-and.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
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		<title>By: jawats</title>
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		<dc:creator>jawats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Bookworm,

I think you would enjoy Evelyn Waugh&#039;s short story &quot;Love Among the Ruins.&quot; In essence:

&quot;Love among the ruins is a a satire set in a dystopian quasi-egalitarian Britain. The protagonist, Miles Plastic, is an orphan who at the beginning of the story is finishing a prison term for arson. Crime is treated very leniently by the state, and conditions in prison at actually quite superior to those among the population at large (leading to an understandably high recidivism rate).&quot;

It ties in quite nicely with our modern society.

BTW - if nobody mentioned it, the Jewish law and reasoning you cited previously is very similar to classical Catholic reasoning on abortion.

--Jonathan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Bookworm,</p>
<p>I think you would enjoy Evelyn Waugh&#8217;s short story &#8220;Love Among the Ruins.&#8221; In essence:</p>
<p>&#8220;Love among the ruins is a a satire set in a dystopian quasi-egalitarian Britain. The protagonist, Miles Plastic, is an orphan who at the beginning of the story is finishing a prison term for arson. Crime is treated very leniently by the state, and conditions in prison at actually quite superior to those among the population at large (leading to an understandably high recidivism rate).&#8221;</p>
<p>It ties in quite nicely with our modern society.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; if nobody mentioned it, the Jewish law and reasoning you cited previously is very similar to classical Catholic reasoning on abortion.</p>
<p>&#8211;Jonathan</p>
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