I’d glossed over that one! My only concern with someone convinced that I’m on my way to hell is whether they have any intention of hurrying me on my way there. As long as I’m destined to burn, you know, “let’s give you a little taste of it while you’re here on Earth”.

Ozzie seems to think that that describes Sarah Palin. I on the other hand don’t see anything like that in Sarah Palin at all. I find her highly introspective in ensuring that she’s never trying to speak for God.

In fact, when in the past I’ve found myself immersed in mileus where far-left liberalism has held sway, I came away from it thinking I’d just lived through hell on earth. The ennui, despair, and licentiousness, the through-and-through emptiness lurking just underneath the surface of it all… the forced hilarity, smiles, and loud conversation of people bound and determined to convince themselves that, yes, they were in fact having one hell of a good time, thank you very much.

I have now have a clear idea what Ozzie hates about the “religious right”.
Those who believe their is a God that has revealed himself throughout history and the written record is a sacred text called The Bible, and that it is authoritative since the scriptures calls it “God breathed”, and that Jesus is God incarnate, who from the foundation of the world had a plan to bridge the chasm between God and man following our rejection of his principles through his substitutionary death on the cross, and furthermore that each human will give an account for his or her deeds, the central question of which will be “What did you do with my Son, Jesus, Ozzie wants to see driven from the public square.

“Discussions of God and faith and morality are fascinating.”- Ozzie

As long as these discussions assume God is unknowable and there is no such thing as free will.

Nature abhors a vacuum…

If you don’t have one religion, you’ll have another. In Europe, it’s rapidly become apparent that with Christianity weakened, Socialism doesn’t fill the gap, and both will be replaced with Islam, who, it seems, which has the only believers left.

Faith is a private matter, it has no place in polite conversation or public policy.

This statement is at the crux of the disagreements we see above in the comments and in American politics.

Ozzie’s position on faith mirrors the overwhelmingly dominant theme in Europe for decades. It has been present in American politics and society for the same period, but has *not* been dominant here. If anything it’s a draw. Through most of the country, religion and faith continue to be central to communities, excepting those communities that seem to require organizers.

Take Ozzie’s profoundly deep hostility towards the religious and towards faith, add on a massive dollop of her faith in the U.N., and you have the European attitude expressed perfectly. That’s done such a lot of good for Europe, and it’s gonna do *wonders* for things here too.

Are you kidding me? You’ve never met someone who believed in a literal interpretation of the Bible, who tried to convince you that it was the Gospel truth, as they say?

Having a conversation with someone who believes that they will be Raptured, while peopel like me will be tormented (and most likely burn in hell) is, by its very nature, rude.

No. I’m not worried about everyday Americans. I’m worried about the politically active Religious Right.

Some are concerned about Socialism. I’m not.

I’m concerned about the Relgious Right, others are not.

So give us a conversation you actually had and describe the people who actually had this conversation of the “End Times”. Can you reproduce, as close to verbatim as possible, their arguments and your responses?

“I’ve know a few, Brian…” – Ozzie

Do these folks want to establish a Christian theocracy?

Discussions on the End Times and what ail happens to those who dont believe the Bible as the literal truth are impolite.

And, in my mind, thsi type of fundanetalism has no place in government.

And I’ll always vote against it,