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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/19/snapping-at-the-soccer-game/comment-page-1/#comment-32037</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My solution to trolls on my blog is to edit their comments and write whatever I want in them. That was the final solution I settled on. Banning and then unbanning them in order to suck them into an ambush is nice.

Interrogations won&#039;t work on them if they refuse to stay on the subject, so you just ensure that their comments stay on the subject: your subject.

Given that I can criticize conservatives better than all the Leftist agent provocateurs combined, I feel no lack in quality in writing their own positions for them. Especially if they think they are getting to me.

Like with bullies, if you just ignore them or try to ban them, they sense this as weakness and they&#039;ll keep coming back. Play with them and start making them into helpless punching bags, however, and they start to feel uncomfortable all of a sudden.

They, as is true of criminals, count on our social restrictions to protect them. They get to operate under one set of rules while holding us to a higher set of rules. Just like terrorists, just like Democrats, and I&#039;ve already tolerated far too much of such things already.

It&#039;s been years since my favorite agent provocateurs came to visit my blog. I feel sad and lonely now with nobody to play with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My solution to trolls on my blog is to edit their comments and write whatever I want in them. That was the final solution I settled on. Banning and then unbanning them in order to suck them into an ambush is nice.</p>
<p>Interrogations won&#8217;t work on them if they refuse to stay on the subject, so you just ensure that their comments stay on the subject: your subject.</p>
<p>Given that I can criticize conservatives better than all the Leftist agent provocateurs combined, I feel no lack in quality in writing their own positions for them. Especially if they think they are getting to me.</p>
<p>Like with bullies, if you just ignore them or try to ban them, they sense this as weakness and they&#8217;ll keep coming back. Play with them and start making them into helpless punching bags, however, and they start to feel uncomfortable all of a sudden.</p>
<p>They, as is true of criminals, count on our social restrictions to protect them. They get to operate under one set of rules while holding us to a higher set of rules. Just like terrorists, just like Democrats, and I&#8217;ve already tolerated far too much of such things already.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been years since my favorite agent provocateurs came to visit my blog. I feel sad and lonely now with nobody to play with.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/19/snapping-at-the-soccer-game/comment-page-1/#comment-32017</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Suek,
When I mentioned &quot;snapping&quot; above, I meant that the commenters have too often begun to snap.   More and more, bloggers are shutting down their comments sections.

But I think you&#039;re right.  Trolling and abuse have been long-standing features of comments sections.  It&#039;s just that the political-based comments are getting worse and worse.  When Book unmoderates another comment of mine later, you&#039;ll see some &quot;Terry Tate&quot; videos that contain &quot;hits&quot; on Sarah Palin that are *still* causing me deep upset.   It&#039;s been at least an hour, maybe more, and I&#039;m still upset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Suek,<br />
When I mentioned &#8220;snapping&#8221; above, I meant that the commenters have too often begun to snap.   More and more, bloggers are shutting down their comments sections.</p>
<p>But I think you&#8217;re right.  Trolling and abuse have been long-standing features of comments sections.  It&#8217;s just that the political-based comments are getting worse and worse.  When Book unmoderates another comment of mine later, you&#8217;ll see some &#8220;Terry Tate&#8221; videos that contain &#8220;hits&#8221; on Sarah Palin that are *still* causing me deep upset.   It&#8217;s been at least an hour, maybe more, and I&#8217;m still upset.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/19/snapping-at-the-soccer-game/comment-page-1/#comment-32015</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;she’s&gt;&gt;

Sorry...indefinite pronoun.  &quot;she&quot; meaning Betsy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;she’s&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Sorry&#8230;indefinite pronoun.  &#8220;she&#8221; meaning Betsy.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not &quot;snapping&quot;, Mike.  She&#039;s had troublesome trolls who have pretty much destroyed her comment section for the last 2-3 years - or longer.  She&#039;s tried to ban them through various methods, but has been unable to.  She even used a domain ban, because apparently the worst of the trolls has access to multiple computers.  
Her blog is one of the reasons I commented on appreciating Book&#039;s ability to control trolling.  I don&#039;t know if she&#039;s drawn the trolls as a result of being a frequently listed blog on blog rolls (I usually check who&#039;s on the blog roll when I go to a new site) or if someone just has it in for her personally, but it _has_ been an ongoing  problem.  When her most prolific resident troll started taking to broadcasting private information publically about another commenter who - I believe - is a fellow teacher, I think it went over the top for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not &#8220;snapping&#8221;, Mike.  She&#8217;s had troublesome trolls who have pretty much destroyed her comment section for the last 2-3 years &#8211; or longer.  She&#8217;s tried to ban them through various methods, but has been unable to.  She even used a domain ban, because apparently the worst of the trolls has access to multiple computers.<br />
Her blog is one of the reasons I commented on appreciating Book&#8217;s ability to control trolling.  I don&#8217;t know if she&#8217;s drawn the trolls as a result of being a frequently listed blog on blog rolls (I usually check who&#8217;s on the blog roll when I go to a new site) or if someone just has it in for her personally, but it _has_ been an ongoing  problem.  When her most prolific resident troll started taking to broadcasting private information publically about another commenter who &#8211; I believe &#8211; is a fellow teacher, I think it went over the top for her.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another blogger has had to shut down comments due to &quot;snapping&quot;.

From:
http://betsyspage.blogspot.com/

&lt;i&gt;I have removed the comment box for now. It was just getting very ugly going back and forth. I don&#039;t like the ad hominem attacks. I don&#039;t appreciate people borrowing other people&#039;s names to post insults about someone&#039;s supposed sexuality. And I see no reason why I should provide space for people to insult me and my family. I don&#039;t have time to patrol through many comments and delete such comments so, as Barack Obama would say, I&#039;m taking a hatchet to the problem instead of a scalpel.

When I get time, I will look for another commenting mechanism that will allow more control, preferably one that has commenters register.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another blogger has had to shut down comments due to &#8220;snapping&#8221;.</p>
<p>From:<br />
<a href="http://betsyspage.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://betsyspage.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p><i>I have removed the comment box for now. It was just getting very ugly going back and forth. I don&#8217;t like the ad hominem attacks. I don&#8217;t appreciate people borrowing other people&#8217;s names to post insults about someone&#8217;s supposed sexuality. And I see no reason why I should provide space for people to insult me and my family. I don&#8217;t have time to patrol through many comments and delete such comments so, as Barack Obama would say, I&#8217;m taking a hatchet to the problem instead of a scalpel.</p>
<p>When I get time, I will look for another commenting mechanism that will allow more control, preferably one that has commenters register.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/19/snapping-at-the-soccer-game/comment-page-1/#comment-31987</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y #33,
My favorite was the rifle that dropped out of the right-most curtains.

My least favorite was the third-fifth opening of the left-door.  Sarah would put a bullet through the brains, skin em and cook em!  She wouldn&#039;t blow em away with the effect of a fragmentation grenade.  Overkill in every sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y #33,<br />
My favorite was the rifle that dropped out of the right-most curtains.</p>
<p>My least favorite was the third-fifth opening of the left-door.  Sarah would put a bullet through the brains, skin em and cook em!  She wouldn&#8217;t blow em away with the effect of a fragmentation grenade.  Overkill in every sense.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;I have heard it said that women have a nasty attitude towards successful, beautiful women that attract men. &gt;&gt;

Heh.  It&#039;s that old male female thing again.  Males compete for females with direct physical competition (or bright colored plumes, if they have them!) and females compete with females with their own physical appearance, and by minimizing other females.  It takes less of a toll on their appearance.  Scars from dominance fights are attractive on males, less so on females...!

We won&#039;t discuss the internal scars....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;I have heard it said that women have a nasty attitude towards successful, beautiful women that attract men. &gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Heh.  It&#8217;s that old male female thing again.  Males compete for females with direct physical competition (or bright colored plumes, if they have them!) and females compete with females with their own physical appearance, and by minimizing other females.  It takes less of a toll on their appearance.  Scars from dominance fights are attractive on males, less so on females&#8230;!</p>
<p>We won&#8217;t discuss the internal scars&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/19/snapping-at-the-soccer-game/comment-page-1/#comment-31958</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;This is especially true given the fact that, as Dennis Prager pointed out, the hatred for Palin was instantaneous. &lt;/b&gt;

Like the Cartoon Jihad riots were instantaneous. The time between event and counter-event was very small because the community organizing had already been done. Feminists had already been organized by Bush&#039;s War in Afghanistan to liberate women; they were organized against it if you recall. Sarah Palin just activated all the little boobytraps the Left had in place just in case women&#039;s issues were raised in a way they could not adequately respond to. It was their emergency plan. Just like when the Islamic Jihad couldn&#039;t deal with the cartoons of Mohammed, they went to their emergency plan of riots.

&lt;B&gt;Excess has become its own goal. &lt;/B&gt;

Disorder and destruction were always the Left&#039;s goals. They just tried very hard to hide it. Disorder for disorder&#039;s sake, revolutionary destabilization for destabilization&#039;s sake, were all really goals in themselves. They weren&#039;t just &quot;methods&quot; used to &quot;create a better world&quot; like most of them would claim. THey are de facto goals in themselves. Creating disorder can have no other purpose than creating disorder and the Left would be fully satisfied.

Entropy the watch word of the day here.

&lt;B&gt;There’s something very *unusual* about the level of verbal and physical violence directed at Sarah Palin.&lt;/b&gt;

I have heard it said that women have a nasty attitude towards successful, beautiful women that attract men. Could be a gene competition thing. Or it could be feminism&#039;s organized policies of apostasy for women who succeed without the shackles of feminism on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>This is especially true given the fact that, as Dennis Prager pointed out, the hatred for Palin was instantaneous. </b></p>
<p>Like the Cartoon Jihad riots were instantaneous. The time between event and counter-event was very small because the community organizing had already been done. Feminists had already been organized by Bush&#8217;s War in Afghanistan to liberate women; they were organized against it if you recall. Sarah Palin just activated all the little boobytraps the Left had in place just in case women&#8217;s issues were raised in a way they could not adequately respond to. It was their emergency plan. Just like when the Islamic Jihad couldn&#8217;t deal with the cartoons of Mohammed, they went to their emergency plan of riots.</p>
<p><b>Excess has become its own goal. </b></p>
<p>Disorder and destruction were always the Left&#8217;s goals. They just tried very hard to hide it. Disorder for disorder&#8217;s sake, revolutionary destabilization for destabilization&#8217;s sake, were all really goals in themselves. They weren&#8217;t just &#8220;methods&#8221; used to &#8220;create a better world&#8221; like most of them would claim. THey are de facto goals in themselves. Creating disorder can have no other purpose than creating disorder and the Left would be fully satisfied.</p>
<p>Entropy the watch word of the day here.</p>
<p><b>There’s something very *unusual* about the level of verbal and physical violence directed at Sarah Palin.</b></p>
<p>I have heard it said that women have a nasty attitude towards successful, beautiful women that attract men. Could be a gene competition thing. Or it could be feminism&#8217;s organized policies of apostasy for women who succeed without the shackles of feminism on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I thought the site was very funny. THe explanation is very simple. Even though it had various things that could be taken as a joke by the Leftist and Republican elites, the format was subtle enough that I could come to my own impressions as to what the &quot;truth&quot; is. This makes it funny on my terms. Playing with the various gizmos was also fun.

Open the door to the left, that&#039;s the funny part. The Oil Rigs in the background was a nice atmospheric touch. If you click on the red phone then if you are like me, you would be saying &quot;Hell Yeah she&#039;d do that to our enemies&quot;.

&lt;B&gt;It was definitely offensive, of course&lt;/b&gt;

It is only offensive if you choose to assume that the assumptions behind the comedians are true or even present as an assumption. But of course, my tolerance for such things are much higher than what it once was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I thought the site was very funny. THe explanation is very simple. Even though it had various things that could be taken as a joke by the Leftist and Republican elites, the format was subtle enough that I could come to my own impressions as to what the &#8220;truth&#8221; is. This makes it funny on my terms. Playing with the various gizmos was also fun.</p>
<p>Open the door to the left, that&#8217;s the funny part. The Oil Rigs in the background was a nice atmospheric touch. If you click on the red phone then if you are like me, you would be saying &#8220;Hell Yeah she&#8217;d do that to our enemies&#8221;.</p>
<p><b>It was definitely offensive, of course</b></p>
<p>It is only offensive if you choose to assume that the assumptions behind the comedians are true or even present as an assumption. But of course, my tolerance for such things are much higher than what it once was.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, the second part was for Thomas.
I actually enjoyed the creativity demonstrated at the link:

http://www.palinaspresident.com

It was definitely offensive, of course, but should I have found it beyond the bounds of hardball politics?  Instead I thought it was one of the few attack sites that I&#039;ve run across that *did not* violate my political bounds of acceptability.

I wonder what others here think of that site: acceptable if totally disagreeable; or out of bounds?

I may have missed some of the *tricks* at that page that were really offensive, I don&#039;t know.  I actually expected X-rated levels of violence or porn or gore to be thrown in my face as they savaged Palin in every way possible.

I&#039;d love to see Barack receive exactly the same level of treatment as she got at that web site.  But of course, THAT would be racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, the second part was for Thomas.<br />
I actually enjoyed the creativity demonstrated at the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.palinaspresident.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.palinaspresident.com</a></p>
<p>It was definitely offensive, of course, but should I have found it beyond the bounds of hardball politics?  Instead I thought it was one of the few attack sites that I&#8217;ve run across that *did not* violate my political bounds of acceptability.</p>
<p>I wonder what others here think of that site: acceptable if totally disagreeable; or out of bounds?</p>
<p>I may have missed some of the *tricks* at that page that were really offensive, I don&#8217;t know.  I actually expected X-rated levels of violence or porn or gore to be thrown in my face as they savaged Palin in every way possible.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see Barack receive exactly the same level of treatment as she got at that web site.  But of course, THAT would be racism.</p>
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