Comments on: Obama wants the government to redistribute wealth *UPDATE* http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/26/obama-wants-the-government-to-redistribute-wealth/ Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:11:05 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: suek http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/26/obama-wants-the-government-to-redistribute-wealth/comment-page-1/#comment-32831 suek Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:18:20 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=4404#comment-32831 Deana... There's a problem with the Black and right link. Not your problem, I suspect - I tried to get there from the search page, went to "zo.black and right" page where it was on the blogroll, and that didn't work either. Then tried directly from the search page, and got the same error page (error notice 500, whatever that is!) Deana…

There’s a problem with the Black and right link.

Not your problem, I suspect – I tried to get there from the search page, went to “zo.black and right” page where it was on the blogroll, and that didn’t work either. Then tried directly from the search page, and got the same error page (error notice 500, whatever that is!)

]]> By: Bookworm http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/26/obama-wants-the-government-to-redistribute-wealth/comment-page-1/#comment-32825 Bookworm Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:09:21 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=4404#comment-32825 I need money too, Helen. So do my sister and her husband. So do my neighbors. So do all the Asian immigrants pouring into this country. You know how we get the money? We work for it. I need money too, Helen. So do my sister and her husband. So do my neighbors. So do all the Asian immigrants pouring into this country. You know how we get the money? We work for it.

]]> By: Helen Losse http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/26/obama-wants-the-government-to-redistribute-wealth/comment-page-1/#comment-32824 Helen Losse Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:43:57 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=4404#comment-32824 Deana, Bookworm, The poor (including African American poor) are a specila needs group; They Need Money. How hard is that? Deana, Bookworm, The poor (including African American poor) are a specila needs group; They Need Money. How hard is that?

]]> By: Mike Devx http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/26/obama-wants-the-government-to-redistribute-wealth/comment-page-1/#comment-32658 Mike Devx Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:33:42 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=4404#comment-32658 Brian said, >> To a committed socialist or marxist, controlling the means of production is non-negotiable. In the case of China, private ownership of business is allowed, including the buildings and equipment, but the state owns the land, and can be confiscated through eminent domain. >> Brian, well, if the means of production must be *explicitly* controlled, then Obama would not be a socialist nor marxist. His ilk are perfectly content to rely on taxation, regulation, and pure government power (and its threats) to exert all the control they need. If you want to call this "corporatism", go right ahead. Whatever we call it, it is the State in control of every aspect of production in the nation; gathering in every and all forms of taxation that they *wish*, and which will inevitably grow ever larger as the economy degrades and then collapses. All of this is inevitable because it is what these kinds of people *do*. They cannot help themselves. A worker works and cannot help it. A Statist steals and cannot help it. It's the pious justifications for the theft that turn the stomach. Brian said,
>> To a committed socialist or marxist, controlling the means of production is non-negotiable. In the case of China, private ownership of business is allowed, including the buildings and equipment, but the state owns the land, and can be confiscated through eminent domain. >>

Brian, well, if the means of production must be *explicitly* controlled, then Obama would not be a socialist nor marxist. His ilk are perfectly content to rely on taxation, regulation, and pure government power (and its threats) to exert all the control they need. If you want to call this “corporatism”, go right ahead. Whatever we call it, it is the State in control of every aspect of production in the nation; gathering in every and all forms of taxation that they *wish*, and which will inevitably grow ever larger as the economy degrades and then collapses. All of this is inevitable because it is what these kinds of people *do*. They cannot help themselves. A worker works and cannot help it. A Statist steals and cannot help it.

It’s the pious justifications for the theft that turn the stomach.

]]> By: Deana http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/26/obama-wants-the-government-to-redistribute-wealth/comment-page-1/#comment-32655 Deana Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:44:01 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=4404#comment-32655 For a little exposure to the thinking of black Americans who are taking advantage of all that America has to offer and don't take kindly to the suggestion that they "need" assistance from whites in order to be successful, I recommend the following: http://hiphoprepublican.blogspot.com/ and http://www.black-and-right.com/ Mr. Parks is just awesome. And fun to read. Deana For a little exposure to the thinking of black Americans who are taking advantage of all that America has to offer and don’t take kindly to the suggestion that they “need” assistance from whites in order to be successful, I recommend the following:

http://hiphoprepublican.blogspot.com/
and
http://www.black-and-right.com/

Mr. Parks is just awesome. And fun to read.

Deana

]]> By: Bookworm http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/26/obama-wants-the-government-to-redistribute-wealth/comment-page-1/#comment-32653 Bookworm Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:21:27 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=4404#comment-32653 Deanna beat me to it, Helen. That's precisely what I would have said. Your words indicate that you want to treat African-Americans as a special class, which implies that you view them as a special needs group. Deanna beat me to it, Helen. That’s precisely what I would have said. Your words indicate that you want to treat African-Americans as a special class, which implies that you view them as a special needs group.

]]> By: Deana http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/26/obama-wants-the-government-to-redistribute-wealth/comment-page-1/#comment-32652 Deana Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:13:29 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=4404#comment-32652 Helen - Why in your view do black Americans have to be given more than all other Americans in order to ensure that they "make it?" How have all of these other immigrants, many from Africa, make it if America is so greedy and racist? Deana Helen –

Why in your view do black Americans have to be given more than all other Americans in order to ensure that they “make it?”

How have all of these other immigrants, many from Africa, make it if America is so greedy and racist?

Deana

]]> By: Helen Losse http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/26/obama-wants-the-government-to-redistribute-wealth/comment-page-1/#comment-32651 Helen Losse Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:56:58 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=4404#comment-32651 Bookworm, Actually I respect black people a lot. And I do think that given the same opportunities as whites, they will make it. I can't imagine what made you think I thought otherwise. They've made a life with less. Why should I think they can't make a better life with more? Bookworm,

Actually I respect black people a lot. And I do think that given the same opportunities as whites, they will make it. I can’t imagine what made you think I thought otherwise. They’ve made a life with less. Why should I think they can’t make a better life with more?

]]> By: BrianE http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/26/obama-wants-the-government-to-redistribute-wealth/comment-page-1/#comment-32646 BrianE Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:45:15 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=4404#comment-32646 Deana, That should be required reading. "You know what Mom always said, if everyone else was jumping off a cliff …. But maybe it is time, right now, in 2008, to do what everyone else is doing. Shrug, say what the heck, get on the Bush-bashing wagon … you have to admit, that does look like fun … and finally acknowledge what the deep booming voice from that opening in the clouds with all the blinding rays of light has been telling us. Obama is the Anointed One." Deana,
That should be required reading.

“You know what Mom always said, if everyone else was jumping off a cliff …. But maybe it is time, right now, in 2008, to do what everyone else is doing. Shrug, say what the heck, get on the Bush-bashing wagon … you have to admit, that does look like fun … and finally acknowledge what the deep booming voice from that opening in the clouds with all the blinding rays of light has been telling us. Obama is the Anointed One.”

]]> By: Deana http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/10/26/obama-wants-the-government-to-redistribute-wealth/comment-page-1/#comment-32644 Deana Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:30:22 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=4404#comment-32644 Want a good laugh? Take a look at Jules Crittenden's latest on why he's voting for Obama: http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/10/30/why-im-voting-for-obama/#comment-76832 The part that relates to the discussion we are having in this post is quite good: "Unfortunately, America is still a fetid swamp of frothing racism, as the New York Times, the AP and even many credible media outlets have taken pains to point out. So maybe it is time for America to take the next step. Some people might say, yeah, OK, Obama’s black, but he’s not experienced enough. Community organizer, state senator, showed up on the national scene five minutes ago, no executive experience. I think you have to ask yourself, does that really matter? The issue, when you’re trying to end racism, isn’t whether he’s up to running the country and the world or not, or whether all his friends are left-wing wackjobs, or whether his ideas make any sense, or even whether he actually believes anything he says. It’s whether he’s black or not, and that’s pretty well been established. OK, biracial, same difference. What do you think the last 40 years of affirmative action have been all about? Anyway, Obama has a stodgy old white geezer in the jump seat to make sure he doesn’t do anything too radical or, I dunno, too young or too black, I guess. At least I think that’s why he picked Old Hairplugs." That's so excellent. Deana Want a good laugh? Take a look at Jules Crittenden’s latest on why he’s voting for Obama:

http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/10/30/why-im-voting-for-obama/#comment-76832

The part that relates to the discussion we are having in this post is quite good:

“Unfortunately, America is still a fetid swamp of frothing racism, as the New York Times, the AP and even many credible media outlets have taken pains to point out.

So maybe it is time for America to take the next step. Some people might say, yeah, OK, Obama’s black, but he’s not experienced enough. Community organizer, state senator, showed up on the national scene five minutes ago, no executive experience. I think you have to ask yourself, does that really matter?

The issue, when you’re trying to end racism, isn’t whether he’s up to running the country and the world or not, or whether all his friends are left-wing wackjobs, or whether his ideas make any sense, or even whether he actually believes anything he says. It’s whether he’s black or not, and that’s pretty well been established. OK, biracial, same difference. What do you think the last 40 years of affirmative action have been all about?

Anyway, Obama has a stodgy old white geezer in the jump seat to make sure he doesn’t do anything too radical or, I dunno, too young or too black, I guess. At least I think that’s why he picked Old Hairplugs.”

That’s so excellent.

Deana

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