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		<title>By: sillielizzie</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/11/01/i-will-change-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-32859</link>
		<dc:creator>sillielizzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles Martel, 

Nice name. Hope you&#039;re as good at repelling the barbarians at the gate the second time as you were the first time. :-)  Re: Fabian. I was referring to the Fabian Socialists who derived their name from Fabius Maximus Cunctator, not Fabian the rock star. You must have gotten confused with Obama the Rock Star. 

Anyway, Fabius Max was was a yellowbellied version of Joseph Stalin, eschewing violent revolution for social evolution - preferring to bring about &quot;socialist&quot; (i.e. marxism) through &quot;education&quot; with promises of &quot;hope&quot; and &quot;change&quot;. Sound familiar? 

Not quite the stuff that Bobby Vee crooned about...  anyway, I have much more to say about the socialist DemocRATS&#039; election tactics here:

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://sillielizziesrock.blogspot.com/2008/11/2000-election-was-practice-2008-real.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Electile Dysfunction: 2000 Election was Practice, 2008 the Real Coup?&quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Martel, </p>
<p>Nice name. Hope you&#8217;re as good at repelling the barbarians at the gate the second time as you were the first time. <img src='http://www.bookwormroom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Re: Fabian. I was referring to the Fabian Socialists who derived their name from Fabius Maximus Cunctator, not Fabian the rock star. You must have gotten confused with Obama the Rock Star. </p>
<p>Anyway, Fabius Max was was a yellowbellied version of Joseph Stalin, eschewing violent revolution for social evolution &#8211; preferring to bring about &#8220;socialist&#8221; (i.e. marxism) through &#8220;education&#8221; with promises of &#8220;hope&#8221; and &#8220;change&#8221;. Sound familiar? </p>
<p>Not quite the stuff that Bobby Vee crooned about&#8230;  anyway, I have much more to say about the socialist DemocRATS&#8217; election tactics here:</p>
<p><b><a href="http://sillielizziesrock.blogspot.com/2008/11/2000-election-was-practice-2008-real.html" rel="nofollow">Electile Dysfunction: 2000 Election was Practice, 2008 the Real Coup?&#8221;</a></b></p>
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		<title>By: Charles Martel</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/11/01/i-will-change-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-32853</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Martel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sillielizzie:

Hate Fabian?

OK, he was a pure media creation, but the swarthy lunk did have a certain charm to him. 

Now Bobby Vee. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sillielizzie:</p>
<p>Hate Fabian?</p>
<p>OK, he was a pure media creation, but the swarthy lunk did have a certain charm to him. </p>
<p>Now Bobby Vee. . .</p>
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		<title>By: sillielizzie</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/11/01/i-will-change-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-32852</link>
		<dc:creator>sillielizzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bookworm: Thanks, I guess the UK press is further downstream from any necessity to actually report facts than our own media which is just in the total spin zone.

To the rest: ...  socialist, communist, nazi, fascist, progressive, liberal, fabian, green. WHATEVER. I hate &#039;em ALL!!!!! Depotic tyranny is one head wearing many masks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bookworm: Thanks, I guess the UK press is further downstream from any necessity to actually report facts than our own media which is just in the total spin zone.</p>
<p>To the rest: &#8230;  socialist, communist, nazi, fascist, progressive, liberal, fabian, green. WHATEVER. I hate &#8216;em ALL!!!!! Depotic tyranny is one head wearing many masks.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considerable similarities between Nazi and Communist ideologies, but also considerable differences.  For communists, economic matters were at the center of life; for Nazis, economic matters played only a supporting role. Communism was a bastard child of the Enlightenment; Naziism was counter-Enlightenment.

Aldous Huxley:

&lt;em&gt;In the field of politics the equivalent of a theorem is a perfectly disciplined army; of a sonnet or picture, a police state under a dictatorship. The Marxist calls himself scientific and to this claim the Fascist adds another: he is the poet--the scientific poet--of a new mythology. Both are justified in their pretensions; for each applies to human situations the procedures which have proved effective in the laboratory and the ivory tower. They simplify, they abstract, they eliminate all that, for their purposes, is irrelevant and ignore whatever they choose to regard an inessential; they impose a style, they compel the facts to verify a favorite hypothesis, they consign to the waste paper basket all that, to their mind, falls short of perfection...the dream of Order begets tyranny, the dream of Beauty, monsters and violence. &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considerable similarities between Nazi and Communist ideologies, but also considerable differences.  For communists, economic matters were at the center of life; for Nazis, economic matters played only a supporting role. Communism was a bastard child of the Enlightenment; Naziism was counter-Enlightenment.</p>
<p>Aldous Huxley:</p>
<p><em>In the field of politics the equivalent of a theorem is a perfectly disciplined army; of a sonnet or picture, a police state under a dictatorship. The Marxist calls himself scientific and to this claim the Fascist adds another: he is the poet&#8211;the scientific poet&#8211;of a new mythology. Both are justified in their pretensions; for each applies to human situations the procedures which have proved effective in the laboratory and the ivory tower. They simplify, they abstract, they eliminate all that, for their purposes, is irrelevant and ignore whatever they choose to regard an inessential; they impose a style, they compel the facts to verify a favorite hypothesis, they consign to the waste paper basket all that, to their mind, falls short of perfection&#8230;the dream of Order begets tyranny, the dream of Beauty, monsters and violence. </em></p>
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		<title>By: zankervitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>zankervitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eric-odessit: 

With all due respect, citing the jubilant press about the non-aggression pact doesn&#039;t make a lot of sense.  The pact reassured both sides that they weren&#039;t going to fight each other -- isn&#039;t that enough cause for celebration?  

The National Socialists certainly took parts of their ideology from socialism, such as centralization of national industries.  However, their goals for doing so were not to help the worker (a core tenet of socialism and communism); instead, it was to further their racist ideas of a German national state.  The Nazis also promoted the idea of private property, provided that the property was not being used against their racist and nationalist goals. 

There are certainly thousands of parallels in daily life under the Nazis and Communism.  Both ideologies were totalitarian and sought total control.

In sum: to say that the Nazis were socialists purely because of the way they reformed a failing German economy ignores the racist ideology at the center of the Nazi platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eric-odessit: </p>
<p>With all due respect, citing the jubilant press about the non-aggression pact doesn&#8217;t make a lot of sense.  The pact reassured both sides that they weren&#8217;t going to fight each other &#8212; isn&#8217;t that enough cause for celebration?  </p>
<p>The National Socialists certainly took parts of their ideology from socialism, such as centralization of national industries.  However, their goals for doing so were not to help the worker (a core tenet of socialism and communism); instead, it was to further their racist ideas of a German national state.  The Nazis also promoted the idea of private property, provided that the property was not being used against their racist and nationalist goals. </p>
<p>There are certainly thousands of parallels in daily life under the Nazis and Communism.  Both ideologies were totalitarian and sought total control.</p>
<p>In sum: to say that the Nazis were socialists purely because of the way they reformed a failing German economy ignores the racist ideology at the center of the Nazi platform.</p>
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		<title>By: eric-odessit</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric-odessit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zankervitch,
Nazis, or National-Socialists, were in fact socialists.  Hitler insisted on it himself.  My grandpa was telling me that Soviet papers were full of praises in 1939 after Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.  They were all talking about how great it was that 2 SOCIALIST countries were friends.
Indeed, the similarities between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were numerous.  I even saw some left-overs of it growing up.  I remember reading in history books about Nazi Germany and them being amazed to see something similar in my everyday life.
You can read some more details here:
http://conservativlib.wordpress.com/why-conservative-liberal/
While you are at it, take a look at my grandpa&#039;s story:
http://conservativlib.wordpress.com/my-grandpa-the-story-of-a-soviet-army-combat-medic/
There is also my grandpa&#039;s diary.
I hope it will answer your questions about similarities between the Soviets and the Nazis.
Eric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zankervitch,<br />
Nazis, or National-Socialists, were in fact socialists.  Hitler insisted on it himself.  My grandpa was telling me that Soviet papers were full of praises in 1939 after Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.  They were all talking about how great it was that 2 SOCIALIST countries were friends.<br />
Indeed, the similarities between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were numerous.  I even saw some left-overs of it growing up.  I remember reading in history books about Nazi Germany and them being amazed to see something similar in my everyday life.<br />
You can read some more details here:<br />
<a href="http://conservativlib.wordpress.com/why-conservative-liberal/" rel="nofollow">http://conservativlib.wordpress.com/why-conservative-liberal/</a><br />
While you are at it, take a look at my grandpa&#8217;s story:<br />
<a href="http://conservativlib.wordpress.com/my-grandpa-the-story-of-a-soviet-army-combat-medic/" rel="nofollow">http://conservativlib.wordpress.com/my-grandpa-the-story-of-a-soviet-army-combat-medic/</a><br />
There is also my grandpa&#8217;s diary.<br />
I hope it will answer your questions about similarities between the Soviets and the Nazis.<br />
Eric.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/11/01/i-will-change-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-32826</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sillielizzie:  You have a good point.  However, I&#039;ve learned from reading a bunch of British papers that they often put a real quotation in the article caption or subheading, and then consider that part of the story.  That is, they don&#039;t repeat it in the story body.  To the extent Sky News framed this as &quot;Obama:  I will change the world,&#039;&quot; I&#039;m currently accepting that he did, in fact, use those words.  (And they&#039;re certainly in character with words he&#039;s used before.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sillielizzie:  You have a good point.  However, I&#8217;ve learned from reading a bunch of British papers that they often put a real quotation in the article caption or subheading, and then consider that part of the story.  That is, they don&#8217;t repeat it in the story body.  To the extent Sky News framed this as &#8220;Obama:  I will change the world,&#8217;&#8221; I&#8217;m currently accepting that he did, in fact, use those words.  (And they&#8217;re certainly in character with words he&#8217;s used before.)</p>
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		<title>By: rockdalian</title>
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		<dc:creator>rockdalian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Book may have posted this in the past. Anyway, this would be a great refresher.

Make Mine Freedom (1948)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVh75ylAUXY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Book may have posted this in the past. Anyway, this would be a great refresher.</p>
<p>Make Mine Freedom (1948)</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/11/01/i-will-change-the-world/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/mVh75ylAUXY/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember Obama&#039;s story about sharing a peanut butter sandwich in the second grade? See &lt;a href=&quot;http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6388.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Barack Obama and Billy O&#039;Grabba&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember Obama&#8217;s story about sharing a peanut butter sandwich in the second grade? See <a href="http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6388.html" rel="nofollow">Barack Obama and Billy O&#8217;Grabba</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Skull</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s 4 year Plan, thanks to Norman Thomas, socialist of long ago:


&quot;The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s 4 year Plan, thanks to Norman Thomas, socialist of long ago:</p>
<p>&#8220;The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.&#8221;</p>
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