November 4

I’m going to be working, not blogging, tomorrow morning, November 4, 2008, so feel free to consider this an open thread.  I can’t let this occasion go by without a few words, though.

On the candidates:

If you believe government can solve most of our problems; if you believe Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are better at spending your money than you are; if you believe that the government exists to redistribute wealth from those it defines as rich to those victim groups it classes as deserving; if you believe that we ought to continue to be dependent on energy sources in the hands of our enemies; if you believe that the best defense is to disarm yourself; if you believe that the government should control the press to ensure “freedom”; if you believe that there should be no limits on immigrants coming into the country or on the benefits extended to those immigrants; and if you believe that judges shouldn’t just decide law, but should make it, according to their personal preferences, then you should definitely vote for Obama.

However, if you believe that you, not Barack/Pelosi/Reid, are the master of your own destiny; if you believe that a country must have secure borders and controlled immigration to remain strong; if you believe that government doesn’t make money, people make money; if you believe that the best defense is to appear ready, willing and able to fight to defend yourself; if you believe that your country should be energy independent for both security and economic purposes; if you believe in a free press unhindered by government mandated “fairness”; and if you believe that judges’ job is to apply the law and the legislature’s job is to make it (although make as little of it as possible), then you should definitely vote for McCain.

On the election tomorrow:

The most important thing you should do is ignore the media entirely and VOTE.  The media will err about reporting closing times for voting.  The media will enthusiastically report that Obama is winning in a landslide according to exit polls, but its talking heads will neglect to explain that, traditionally, conservatives don’t respond to exit polls, making the results completely one-sided and meaningless.  The media will declare certain Eastern states for Obama long before actual results are in — with the result that people west of the Mississippi might think it’s pointless to vote.

It’s never pointless to vote.  If you think you might be too late to vote, don’t rely on the media to check poll closing times.  Go check the polling place out yourself.  Take the time to drive up to your polling place and see if you can get in.

Every vote, from every person, in every state counts.  If you are the last person voting on the furthest island of Hawaii tomorrow, YOUR VOTE COUNTS.  Please remember the infinitesimally small margin by which Bush won Florida in 2000.  EVERY VOTE COUNTS.  I cannot guarantee that we will win if all of us vote tomorrow, but I can guarantee that we will lose if we allow the media to bamboozle us into walking away from the polls before the last polling place is locked and the lights turned out.

And one more thing:  if Obama wins tomorrow — and it’s entirely possible that he will — do not throw temper tantrums and announce that you’re moving someplace where conservatives are respected (and good luck finding that place, anyway).  Instead, immediately begin to work, not for 2012, but for 2010.  Because I can almost promise you that, after a mere two years of non-stop, all encompassing Democratic rule, voters will be desperate to throw the Democrats out of the House and Senate.  Then, having accomplished that goal, start working for 2012, when Palin and Cantor and Jindal and Steele, and a whole host of other exciting young conservatives will be chomping at the bit to take over the reins of government.

It’s true that an all-Democratic government led by Obama can do a lot of damage in a short time, but it will do even more damage if we turn away in disgust and cede government entirely to the Democratic agenda.  We still have a voice in this country and we will continue to have a voice even if the first thing the Democrats do is pass a new Fairness Doctrine.  When the old Fairness Doctrine was wiped out, everyone was surprised by the pent-up hunger for conservative thought.  This time, though, we know that hunger exists, and we will find an outlet by which to feed it.

But let’s not worry about that future.  Instead….


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  • Ozzie

    According to Wiki:

    As of 2008, these changes have been repealed in their entirety, reverting to the original 1878 wording of the Posse Comitatus Act.

    Is Wiki reliable?

    This is from the American Conservative, April, 2007 (regarding the Defense Authorization Act of 2006)

    Working for the Clampdown

    What might the president do with his new power to declare martial law?

    The Defense Authorization Act of 2006, passed on Sept. 30, empowers President George W. Bush to impose martial law in the event of a terrorist “incident,” if he or other federal officials perceive a shortfall of “public order,” or even in response to antiwar protests that get unruly as a result of government provocations.

    The media and most of Capitol Hill ignored or cheered on this grant of nearly boundless power. But now that the president’s arsenal of authority is swollen and consecrated, a few voices of complaint are being heard. Even the New York Times recently condemned the new law for “making martial law easier.”

    It only took a few paragraphs in a $500 billion, 591-page bill to raze one of the most important limits on federal power. Congress passed the Insurrection Act in 1807 to severely restrict the president’s ability to deploy the military within the United States. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 tightened these restrictions, imposing a two-year prison sentence on anyone who used the military within the U.S. without the express permission of Congress. But there is a loophole: Posse Comitatus is waived if the president invokes the Insurrection Act.

    for more:

  • BrianE

    Heading down to the polling place to turn my vote-by-mail ballot.
    This is my official protest to vote by mail.
    They have one place (the fire station) where you can drop your letter into a box if you don’t want to mail it.
    Why should I trust my precious vote to the US Post Office? (Even though Washington is one of the blueist states in the country)
    There is a governor race to vindicate though! The man (Dino Rossi) who was defeated by ACORN fraud is running again.

  • Ozzie

    Does everything have to be a conspiracy with you Ozzie?- Brian

    It’s a fact that the Army, for the first time since the Civil War, will have a brigade permanantly patroling U.S. Streets.

    Laws have been changed, dissent has been criminalized and civil liberties are in jeopardy.

    Thomas Jefferson said that “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.”

    James Madison said “The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted.”

    They worried about an all-powerful government, as well.

    Liberatarians fret over matters like this. Authoritarians don’t bat an eye,

  • Ymarsakar

    It’s a fact that the Army, for the first time since the Civil War, will have a brigade permanantly patroling U.S. Streets.

    That’s not a fact.

  • Charles Martel

    >>or even in response to antiwar protests that get unruly as a result of government provocations.<<

    Now there’s a sentence that deserves parsing. “Unruly?” (What does that mean? Code Pink shaking old-lady dust on recruiting officers? Molotov cocktails? Arson? Assaults? Drive-bys?)

    “…as a result of government provocations?” (Is that as in, “You’re making me behave badly!”Or, “You didn’t stop the war when I demanded you stop it!”)

    I’ll take an “explanation” like that seriously when the person offering it defines his terms.

  • rockdalian

    Too late now, but this is really scary.

    Redistribution of Wealth

  • rockdalian


    Wiki links to the actual act.

    The changes described above were repealed in their entirety by HR 4986: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008

    Text of H.R. 4986: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008

  • Deana

    Wait a minute, Ozzie.

    You say that this means that we will have a brigade permanantly patroling U.S. Streets.

    But that is not what the article in the Army Times says. They are training for it but it isn’t like the towns around Fort Stewart, Georgia, are going to have troops on their street. Again, I’m not belittling the concern about this but goodness, let’s refrain from the hyperbole.

    And one other thing: I’ve noticed that you keep saying that dissent is criminalized. Would you provide some examples?



  • suek

    >>Text of H.R. 4986: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008>>

    That must be wrong, Rock…that would mean that it was passed by the House. In fact, that would mean that it couldn’t be passed unless the Senate passed it. You mean, all Bush did was sign the bill after it was passed?

    Whatever did Bush blackmail them with to make them give him all that power?

  • rockdalian

    I would also point out that even if the military were ordered to act contrary to the oath to defend the Constitution from enemies, both foreign and domestic, a large number would refuse.
    The vets in this country greatly outnumber those serving.
    While I am a vet and a conservative, with libertarian leanings, I am hardly authoritarian.
    This is a simple matter of projection. Obama has certainly tried to use the force of Government to silence his critics.
    McCain has not.

  • Mike Devx

    Some networks are calling Pennsylvania for Obama, but based *solely* on exit polls.
    That’s ominous, but I refuse to rely on them.

    Florida at 31% precincts reporting is still 53-47% in favor of Obama, but his lead keeps slowly shrinking.

    No good news from any battleground state *yet*.

  • Ymarsakar

    Check this out


    sarah p Says:
    October 27, 2008 at 5:04 amOk, I want to clear my conscious a little. Hopefully you could make a blog post to help some fellow clinton supporters out.I work for a campaign and can’t wait for this week to be over.I was doing it for a job. I was not a fan of any candidate but over time grew to love HRC.The internal campaign idea is to twist, distort, humiliate and finally dispirit you.We pay people and organize people to go to all the online sites and “play the part of a clinton or mccain supporter who just switched our support for obama”We do this to stifle your motivation and to destroy your confidence.We did this the whole primary and it worked.Sprinkle in mass vote confusion and it becomes bewildering. Most people lose patience and just give up on their support of a candidate and decide to just block out tv, news, websites, etc.This surprisingly has had a huge suppressing movement and vote turnout issues.Next, we infiltrate all the blogs and all the youtube videos and overwhelm the voting, the comments, etc. All to continue this appearance of overwhelming world support.People makes posts to the effect that the world has “gone mad”

    Thats the intention. To make you feel stressed and crazy and feel like the world is ending.

    We have also had quite a hand in skewing many many polls, some we couldn’t control as much as we would have liked. But many we have spoiled over. Just enough to make real clear politics look scarey to a mccain supporter. Its worked, alough the goal was to appear 13-15 points ahead.

    see, the results have been working. People tend to support a winner, go with the flow, become “sheeple”

    The polls are roughly 3-5 points in favor of Barack. Thats due to our inflation of the polls and pulling in the sheeple.

    Our donors, are the same people who finance the MSM. Their interests are tied, Barack then tends to come across as teflon. Nothing sticks. And trust, there were meetings with Fox news. The goal was to blunt them as much as possible. Watch Bill Oreilly he has become much more diplomatic and “fair and balanced” and soft. Its because he wants to retain the #1 spot on cable news and to do that he has to have access to the Obama campaign and we worked hard at stringing him a long and keeping him soft for an interview swap. It worked and now he is anticipating more access. So he is playing it still soft.

    This is why nothing sticks.

    The operation is massive, the goal is to paint a picture that is that of a winner, regardless of the results.

    There is no true inauguration draft or true grant park construction going on. There will be a party, but we are boasting beyond the truth to make it seem like the election is wrapped up.

    Our goal is to continue to make you lose your moral. We worked hard at persuasion and paying off and timing and playing the right political numbers to get key republican endorsements to make it seem even more like it was over and the world was coming to an end for you all.

    There is a huge staff of people working around the clock, watching every site, blogs, etc. We flood these sites. We have had a goal to overwhelm.

    THe US military, if ordered to forcibly disarm the American population, will probably obey in a lack luster manner. If the US military is ordered to suppress peaceful American demonstrators, then they will probably “lose” those orders and say that they lack clear communications and wish to further “clarify” the orders they have been given. The US military, essentially, would make themselves undeployable for operations if given an order that they refuse to follow but they will never be open about their disobedience.

    Soldiers can and often do disobey direct orders. It is just that they do so in very creative ways that don’t damage the chain of command. It is often never a question of, like you see on Hollywood, where the commander demands with the question “are you going to disobey a direct order”.

    Obama will prefer to use lawyers, as they are more loyal idealogically and easier to use under the table as a sort of “social justice” campaign, than the US military.

    People like, Oz, for example, has never actually seen what happens in military dictatorships so it is hard for people like them to judge reality from fiction in those types of scenarios. History has shown me plenty of things that I needed to see, however.

    Once Obama’s healthcare system starts going full steam, we’ll be needing humanitarian help from the US military for the system will break down like in Third World nations.

  • Ozzie

    You say that this means that we will have a brigade permanantly patroling U.S. Streets, But that is not what the article in the Army Times says, – Deanna

    Did you miss this part? From the Army Times article:

    “After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.”

    Today, a Colorado Newspaper reported that two additonal military units will be deployed within the U.S. in the next two years:

    “Now the commander of Northern Command claims that at least two more military units will be stationed inside the county in the next two years, contributing to an estimated total of 4,700 specially trained service members.”

    “And one other thing: I’ve noticed that you keep saying that dissent is criminalized. Would you provide some examples?” – Deanna

    In Oct, 2001, John Dean reported that, due to the wording, one of the “unintended consequences” would be to equate dissidents with terrorists.

    When the Patriot Act was renewed, formed Reagan Adminstration Official Paul Craig Roberts sounded an even louder alarm.

    And sure enough, protesters have been charged as terrorists.

    Moreover, the Maryland state police disclosed that 53 nonviolent anti-war and anti-death penalty activists were tracked under the state’s terrorism surveillance program, and that their names were added to the state’s and the National Security Agency’s database.

    Millions of acvists have been put on no-fly lists and in 2002, Minnesota changed the legal definition of terrorism to include actions “intended to interfere with the conduct of government or the right of lawful assembly.”

    Videotape from Saint Paul shows police surrounding people in a park and placing them all under arrest, in case they MIGHT protest.

  • Ozzie

    Would you provide some examples?- Deanna

    This is the tape I was talking about. The guy who taped it hid it so it would not be confiscated.

    At first, it seems like no big deal. It’s actually pretty boring, in fact.

    But by the time you get to the end, it’s hard to believe:

  • Deana

    Ozzie –

    No. I didn’t miss that part.

    But you are saying that we are going to have brigades “permanently patroling U.S. streets” and that is not true. The article says that they MAY be used but they aren’t out armed and on the streets unless it is deemed “necessary,” which in my book is where the concern comes in.

    I simply am requesting that you refrain from using scare terms and exaggerations. It tends to get in the way of reasonable discussion.

    As for your examples of criminalizing dissent, you say that protesters have been charged as terrorists. You don’t provide an example and that’s fine, it’s not a criticism – we can have this discussion later since we are all watching the election.

    As for millions of activists being placed on no-fly lists – if millions of people aren’t able to fly, why are our airports so crowded all the time? Wouldn’t there be a LOT more evidence that all of these people can’t fly?

    I appreciate the information you provided me but I know that you have a habit of making fairly exaggerated claims and then providing cites that supposedly prove your claims but when I listen to or read them, I discover that they don’t exactly match what you say. I’m not denying what you are saying – I’m simply saying that I’m withholding judgment. I don’t have energy tonight to post AND monitor all the election stuff.

    I’d be happy to discuss this later.


  • suek

    >>It is often never a question of, like you see on Hollywood, where the commander demands with the question “are you going to disobey a direct order”.>>

    On the other hand, a soldier given an order which s/he feels is illegal is permitted to respond with a “Sir…will you please give me that order in writing…Sir.” Which can result in second thoughts on the part of the person giving the order…

  • sillielizzie

    Hey Ozzie,

    Are these examples of the type of “dissenters” that you’re afraid might have been “criminalized”? I’m just wondering what kind of dissent you think might just qualify as “giving aid and comfort” to our enemies. Does “Support Resistance in Iraq” qualify?

    Zombie’s Hall of Shame

    And this is only ONE of “zombies” photo galleries. Take a look at some of the “anti-war” rallies. When does “dissent” become the “enemy within”?

  • Deana

    I think I’m going to bed. The wine and the ice cream are making me sleepy!

    It appears that Obama is likely to win this election. I truly would love to share in the excitement that so many Americans have – it feels awkward, actually, to not be able to participate with them.

    But my fear about what an Obama win means for the long-term well-being of all Americans is something I can’t shake. I hope to heaven I am wrong but I have this feeling that we are about to set our selves on a course that will lead to a severe self-inflicted wound. We just don’t know where the wound will be.

    Good night all! And get some rest. We all are going to need it, I think.


  • Mike Devx

    No rest for me yet. I’m assuming we now face President-Elect Obama.
    But I’m not giving in yet, foolish as that may be. I want to wait until the actual returns are in on Ohio, at least to a 60% precinct level.

    Virginia: Obama is up 20,000 votes with 89% in. It’s his first lead of the night.
    North Carolina: McCain is up by 200 with 81% in. It’s his first lead of the night.
    Indiana: McCain is up by only 4,000 with 88% in. Narrower and narrower.

    Florida is 51%-49% for Obama with 62% in. It has been narrowing all night, but very very slowly.

    Pennsylvania is totally dominated by Obama, it appears. 58-41% for Obama with 65% in. It’s been narrowing a small amount all night, but that gap is shocking. I suppose these results mean that that outrageous, sickening monster Murtha survived as well.

    Ohio has been narrowing slowly but is still Obama 52-47% with 37% in.

    I’m waiting on all of these but Pennsylvania. I suppose I should trust that the networks know their business, in comparing actual votes and exit polls precinct by key precinct the way they do. But I’m not throwing it in just yet. It looks dark, but of the above states only Pennsylvania is guaranteed lost.

    Outliers might still occur among the vote! (Slim hope I know, but I am not throwing in the towel.)

    Likely President-Elect Obama will bring change. I appear to be left with only the hope that it will be a change I can accept. What a slim hope.