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	<description>Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts.</description>
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		<title>By: Charles Martel</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/11/07/indoctrinating-the-new-brownshirts/comment-page-3/#comment-33875</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Martel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does the old joke go?:

&quot;What do you get when you combine a Unitarian and a Jehovah&#039;s Witness?&quot;

&quot;Someone who wanders around the neighborhood ringing door bells for no reason.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does the old joke go?:</p>
<p>&#8220;What do you get when you combine a Unitarian and a Jehovah&#8217;s Witness?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Someone who wanders around the neighborhood ringing door bells for no reason.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: pst314</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/11/07/indoctrinating-the-new-brownshirts/comment-page-3/#comment-33869</link>
		<dc:creator>pst314</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ozzie, no sweat. I can get you hooked up again with the official talking points. Just cut and paste from the following...the Unitarians&quot;

That reminds me: Islam says &quot;There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet.&quot; The Unitarians say &quot;There is no god and Karl Marx is his prophet.&quot;  :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ozzie, no sweat. I can get you hooked up again with the official talking points. Just cut and paste from the following&#8230;the Unitarians&#8221;</p>
<p>That reminds me: Islam says &#8220;There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet.&#8221; The Unitarians say &#8220;There is no god and Karl Marx is his prophet.&#8221;  <img src='http://www.bookwormroom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pst314</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/11/07/indoctrinating-the-new-brownshirts/comment-page-3/#comment-33868</link>
		<dc:creator>pst314</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suek, here&#039;s a rough explanation: Both authoritarians and totalitarians operate on the basis of &quot;do what I say or I&#039;ll throw you in jail.&quot; The distinction is that authoritarians are only interested in exerting control over limited areas of life, whereas totalitarians seek &lt;i&gt;total&lt;/i&gt; control of all of society. Under a totalitarian regime there is no such thing as a private life.

For authoritarian think Pinochet who was a brutal dictator but in nearly all areas of life left people alone (particular the free-market economy which would have been destroyed if Allende had been able to carry out his radical socialist agenda) versus Castro or worse Mao, who sought to control everything that people did and said and thought. Or consider Mussolini, who was not nearly as brutal as Hitler (beatings and occasional murders but no network of death camps) but nonetheless was just as much a totalitarian because he sought to create a system in which the state controlled everything. (&quot;Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.&quot;)

Progressivism is totalitarian even when it disavows state terrorism because no matter how smiley-faced it is, it remains a prescription for state control of everything and does not recognize any practical limits on what areas of life are legitimate targets for control. Benevolent maybe, but nonetheless totalitarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suek, here&#8217;s a rough explanation: Both authoritarians and totalitarians operate on the basis of &#8220;do what I say or I&#8217;ll throw you in jail.&#8221; The distinction is that authoritarians are only interested in exerting control over limited areas of life, whereas totalitarians seek <i>total</i> control of all of society. Under a totalitarian regime there is no such thing as a private life.</p>
<p>For authoritarian think Pinochet who was a brutal dictator but in nearly all areas of life left people alone (particular the free-market economy which would have been destroyed if Allende had been able to carry out his radical socialist agenda) versus Castro or worse Mao, who sought to control everything that people did and said and thought. Or consider Mussolini, who was not nearly as brutal as Hitler (beatings and occasional murders but no network of death camps) but nonetheless was just as much a totalitarian because he sought to create a system in which the state controlled everything. (&#8221;Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Progressivism is totalitarian even when it disavows state terrorism because no matter how smiley-faced it is, it remains a prescription for state control of everything and does not recognize any practical limits on what areas of life are legitimate targets for control. Benevolent maybe, but nonetheless totalitarian.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I really understand what &quot;authoritarianism&quot; is.  

Totalitarianism, I get.  &quot;Do as I say or I&#039;ll throw you into jail (take all your possessions, put you in a re-education camp along with your entire family)&quot;

I do think someone has to have their hand on the helm - otherwise we have anarchy.  

If we eliminate authoritarianism, totalitarianism and anarchy, I assume we&#039;d have what Oz wants, but I don&#039;t know what that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I really understand what &#8220;authoritarianism&#8221; is.  </p>
<p>Totalitarianism, I get.  &#8220;Do as I say or I&#8217;ll throw you into jail (take all your possessions, put you in a re-education camp along with your entire family)&#8221;</p>
<p>I do think someone has to have their hand on the helm &#8211; otherwise we have anarchy.  </p>
<p>If we eliminate authoritarianism, totalitarianism and anarchy, I assume we&#8217;d have what Oz wants, but I don&#8217;t know what that is.</p>
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		<title>By: pst314</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/11/07/indoctrinating-the-new-brownshirts/comment-page-3/#comment-33735</link>
		<dc:creator>pst314</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...which, to me, is every bit as frightening than the authoritarianism on the left.&quot;

You will find authoritarians on the right, but leftism is not authoritarian but totalitarian. There are vast areas of my life that Jerry Falwell has no interest in controlling, but the left aspires to control every aspect of society and manage our lives in the greatest detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;which, to me, is every bit as frightening than the authoritarianism on the left.&#8221;</p>
<p>You will find authoritarians on the right, but leftism is not authoritarian but totalitarian. There are vast areas of my life that Jerry Falwell has no interest in controlling, but the left aspires to control every aspect of society and manage our lives in the greatest detail.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Sitting on a fence allows you to shoot either side. Oz is going to do whatever makes her feel better.&gt;&gt;

I wonder if there&#039;s another blog Oz comments on where she takes equally denigrating potshots at libs...!

Somehow I doubt it.  So...why is she here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Sitting on a fence allows you to shoot either side. Oz is going to do whatever makes her feel better.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>I wonder if there&#8217;s another blog Oz comments on where she takes equally denigrating potshots at libs&#8230;!</p>
<p>Somehow I doubt it.  So&#8230;why is she here?</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;...Armageddon’s Reef...&gt;&gt;

No...never heard of it.  Should I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&#8230;Armageddon’s Reef&#8230;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>No&#8230;never heard of it.  Should I?</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/11/07/indoctrinating-the-new-brownshirts/comment-page-3/#comment-33629</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;You don’t want religious people shaping government policy, but by default, you have no problem with marxists, or any of the other isms making government policy?&lt;/b&gt;

Brian, Oz has no problems with what the government is doing, regardless of who is in control of it. Oz just likes to take pot shots at people like Sarah palin because those kinds of people can actually solve the problems in government. Solutions to problems are not nearly as entertaining and interesting to Oz as the problems themselves.

Sitting on a fence allows you to shoot either side. Oz is going to do whatever makes her feel better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>You don’t want religious people shaping government policy, but by default, you have no problem with marxists, or any of the other isms making government policy?</b></p>
<p>Brian, Oz has no problems with what the government is doing, regardless of who is in control of it. Oz just likes to take pot shots at people like Sarah palin because those kinds of people can actually solve the problems in government. Solutions to problems are not nearly as entertaining and interesting to Oz as the problems themselves.</p>
<p>Sitting on a fence allows you to shoot either side. Oz is going to do whatever makes her feel better.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you read Off Armageddon&#039;s Reef yet, suek, by David Weber?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read Off Armageddon&#8217;s Reef yet, suek, by David Weber?</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Catholics don’t believe in the literal truth of the Book of Revelation.&gt;&gt;

Ok...so don&#039;t quote me, but it&#039;s my recollection that the Book of Revelation was written in an exceedingly obscure manner due to repression and persecution during the period, and that had you lived in the time, that the more bizarre verses would have made sense.  A bit like the Mother Goose nursery rhymes actually were political verses or stories at the time, but those of us in this time no longer have the connections to correctly interpret them.  True or not, I can&#039;t say.

In a sense, it doesn&#039;t matter.  If the end times are upon us, does our knowledge of that fact make any difference?  We should be living our lives as if we _are_ in the end times, but if the end times are a million years away, should we be living our lives any differently?

Same thing with evolution.  What difference does it make how we got here?  would our knowledge change anything?  If we were created in an instant by the hand of God, or if we developed from the slime of the earth in a literal sense, we&#039;re here.  The evolutionists goal is to &quot;scientlifically&quot; destroy the belief in God.  Whether they&#039;re right or wrong, evolution is and will remain a theory, not a fact.  Evolutionists are just another branch of Marxists who wish to destroy religion.  Nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Catholics don’t believe in the literal truth of the Book of Revelation.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Ok&#8230;so don&#8217;t quote me, but it&#8217;s my recollection that the Book of Revelation was written in an exceedingly obscure manner due to repression and persecution during the period, and that had you lived in the time, that the more bizarre verses would have made sense.  A bit like the Mother Goose nursery rhymes actually were political verses or stories at the time, but those of us in this time no longer have the connections to correctly interpret them.  True or not, I can&#8217;t say.</p>
<p>In a sense, it doesn&#8217;t matter.  If the end times are upon us, does our knowledge of that fact make any difference?  We should be living our lives as if we _are_ in the end times, but if the end times are a million years away, should we be living our lives any differently?</p>
<p>Same thing with evolution.  What difference does it make how we got here?  would our knowledge change anything?  If we were created in an instant by the hand of God, or if we developed from the slime of the earth in a literal sense, we&#8217;re here.  The evolutionists goal is to &#8220;scientlifically&#8221; destroy the belief in God.  Whether they&#8217;re right or wrong, evolution is and will remain a theory, not a fact.  Evolutionists are just another branch of Marxists who wish to destroy religion.  Nothing else.</p>
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