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	<title>Comments on: Ayers&#8217; life was a just a joyous, misunderstood frolic</title>
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		<title>By: MomSDR</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/12/07/ayers-life-was-a-just-a-joyous-misunderstood-frolic/comment-page-1/#comment-40376</link>
		<dc:creator>MomSDR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 06:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone missed the detail that Ayers is the VP of the largest educational organization in the US - AERA? They decide the curriculum for K-12 US education. His books are required reading for our future teachers. His observation that education is the pivot point of &#039;the revolution&#039; is being transformed into action on a grand scale. Who cares about his level of regrets, where or when he said exactly what.....this is not a man who should be in a position of teaching our future children. As he told Chris Matthews when asked about the bombings - &quot;I got your attention, didn&#039;t I?&quot;. Yes, oh yes you have. And so if I committed horrible crimes on the street, would I be in jail, or on MSNBC and teaching America&#039;s children. Wake UP America!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone missed the detail that Ayers is the VP of the largest educational organization in the US &#8211; AERA? They decide the curriculum for K-12 US education. His books are required reading for our future teachers. His observation that education is the pivot point of &#8216;the revolution&#8217; is being transformed into action on a grand scale. Who cares about his level of regrets, where or when he said exactly what&#8230;..this is not a man who should be in a position of teaching our future children. As he told Chris Matthews when asked about the bombings &#8211; &#8220;I got your attention, didn&#8217;t I?&#8221;. Yes, oh yes you have. And so if I committed horrible crimes on the street, would I be in jail, or on MSNBC and teaching America&#8217;s children. Wake UP America!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiresias (#1)
&gt;&gt; The only really intelligent thing Ayers ever did - maybe in his entire life - was routinely manage not to be present when the other three idiots were actually handling explosives. &gt;&gt;

#1 with a bullet, Tiresias, you made my day!

Ayers also got lucky that they had to shut down their operation just as they were about to become effectively violent.  They clearly were escalating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiresias (#1)<br />
&gt;&gt; The only really intelligent thing Ayers ever did &#8211; maybe in his entire life &#8211; was routinely manage not to be present when the other three idiots were actually handling explosives. &gt;&gt;</p>
<p>#1 with a bullet, Tiresias, you made my day!</p>
<p>Ayers also got lucky that they had to shut down their operation just as they were about to become effectively violent.  They clearly were escalating.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/12/07/ayers-life-was-a-just-a-joyous-misunderstood-frolic/comment-page-1/#comment-38742</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes...unity at last.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-program-mirrors-the-cpusas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes&#8230;unity at last.</p>
<p><a href="http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-program-mirrors-the-cpusas" rel="nofollow">http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-program-mirrors-the-cpusas</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gringo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gringo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zombietime scanned Prairie Fire, a Weathermen screed published in the mid 1970s. which lists &quot;Billy Ayers&quot; as one of its four co authors. By this time, it wasn&#039;t about getting the US out of Vietnam, as US troops had left. It was about establishing a communist state in the US. And I quote.&lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;i&gt; Socialism is the total opposite of capitalism/imperialism. It is the rejection of empire and white supremacy.&lt;b&gt; Socialism is the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie, the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat&lt;/b&gt;, and the eradication of the social system based on profit. Socialism means control of the productive forces for the good of the whole community instead of the few who live on hilltops and in mansions. Socialism means priorities based on human need instead of corporate greed. Socialism creates the conditions for a decent and creative quality of life for all. ……


Revolution is a fight by the people for power. It is a changing of power in which existing social and economic relationships are turned upside down. It is a fight for who runs things, in particular, for control by the people of what we communists call the means of production. &lt;/i&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; Someone who does not regret setting bombs in the pursuit of a communist state, and who does not regret it, is not someone I would support, to say the least.




http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zombietime scanned Prairie Fire, a Weathermen screed published in the mid 1970s. which lists &#8220;Billy Ayers&#8221; as one of its four co authors. By this time, it wasn&#8217;t about getting the US out of Vietnam, as US troops had left. It was about establishing a communist state in the US. And I quote.<br />
<blockquote> <i> Socialism is the total opposite of capitalism/imperialism. It is the rejection of empire and white supremacy.<b> Socialism is the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie, the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat</b>, and the eradication of the social system based on profit. Socialism means control of the productive forces for the good of the whole community instead of the few who live on hilltops and in mansions. Socialism means priorities based on human need instead of corporate greed. Socialism creates the conditions for a decent and creative quality of life for all. ……</p>
<p>Revolution is a fight by the people for power. It is a changing of power in which existing social and economic relationships are turned upside down. It is a fight for who runs things, in particular, for control by the people of what we communists call the means of production. </i> </p></blockquote>
<p> Someone who does not regret setting bombs in the pursuit of a communist state, and who does not regret it, is not someone I would support, to say the least.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/</a></p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Can anyone name a single conservative, or even a moderate, with whom Obama went out of his way to spend time?&gt;&gt;

No...because he chose his associations very carefully.  He told us so.

The left always misdirects if it suits their purpose.  _Nobody_ considered Obama had any guilt for Ayer&#039;s crimes - it was _always_ about the fact that Obama chose to associate with socialist/communist thinkers/supporters, and the old saw that &quot;birds of a feather flock together&quot;.  The absurdity of blaming Obama for Ayer&#039;s wrong doing instead of the choices he made in his associations was just another of those Alinsky gimmicks to redirect attention away from what they didn&#039;t want anybody examining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Can anyone name a single conservative, or even a moderate, with whom Obama went out of his way to spend time?&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>No&#8230;because he chose his associations very carefully.  He told us so.</p>
<p>The left always misdirects if it suits their purpose.  _Nobody_ considered Obama had any guilt for Ayer&#8217;s crimes &#8211; it was _always_ about the fact that Obama chose to associate with socialist/communist thinkers/supporters, and the old saw that &#8220;birds of a feather flock together&#8221;.  The absurdity of blaming Obama for Ayer&#8217;s wrong doing instead of the choices he made in his associations was just another of those Alinsky gimmicks to redirect attention away from what they didn&#8217;t want anybody examining.</p>
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		<title>By: socratease</title>
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		<dc:creator>socratease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never held Obama guilty for Ayer&#039;s crimes.  But in the virtual absence of a track record of Obama actually doing something or taking a stand on an issue, this voter had to take his information about the Democrat nominee where he could find it, and his personal associations were consistently with leftist radicals.  Can anyone name a single conservative, or even a moderate, with whom Obama went out of his way to spend time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never held Obama guilty for Ayer&#8217;s crimes.  But in the virtual absence of a track record of Obama actually doing something or taking a stand on an issue, this voter had to take his information about the Democrat nominee where he could find it, and his personal associations were consistently with leftist radicals.  Can anyone name a single conservative, or even a moderate, with whom Obama went out of his way to spend time?</p>
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		<title>By: socratease</title>
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		<dc:creator>socratease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We did carry out symbolic acts of extreme vandalism directed at monuments to war and racism, and the attacks on property, never on people, were meant to respect human life and convey outrage and determination to end the Vietnam war. &quot; That would explain the nails and other shrapnel included in their bombs.

The left loves a beautiful liar.  Look at Bill Clinton who went on national TV specifically to make a baldfaced self-serving lie to the American people, and the left defended his right to do so and was incensed anyone would think of punishing him for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We did carry out symbolic acts of extreme vandalism directed at monuments to war and racism, and the attacks on property, never on people, were meant to respect human life and convey outrage and determination to end the Vietnam war. &#8221; That would explain the nails and other shrapnel included in their bombs.</p>
<p>The left loves a beautiful liar.  Look at Bill Clinton who went on national TV specifically to make a baldfaced self-serving lie to the American people, and the left defended his right to do so and was incensed anyone would think of punishing him for it.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Ayers likes to portray himself as some sort of activist for peace, but in fact his opposition had nothing to do with pacifism (he was never a pacifist) and everything to do with his desire that the Communists win in Vietnam.&gt;&gt;

There&#039;s no doubt in my mind that he&#039;s a traitor and should be shot - along with his wife.  I agree with Y on that one.  The question I&#039;d like to ask him is that if he&#039;s willing to pick up arms to combat the enemy (the US government), is he not at war himself, and how is he any different than the US government?

And as an aside, what did killing cops have to do with protesting military action?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Ayers likes to portray himself as some sort of activist for peace, but in fact his opposition had nothing to do with pacifism (he was never a pacifist) and everything to do with his desire that the Communists win in Vietnam.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no doubt in my mind that he&#8217;s a traitor and should be shot &#8211; along with his wife.  I agree with Y on that one.  The question I&#8217;d like to ask him is that if he&#8217;s willing to pick up arms to combat the enemy (the US government), is he not at war himself, and how is he any different than the US government?</p>
<p>And as an aside, what did killing cops have to do with protesting military action?</p>
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		<title>By: Quisp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The default setting on the article comments is to show Editors&#039; Selections, all of which defend Ayers&#039; &quot;values,&quot; (&quot;I appreciate the effort and the courage you showed in the 1970&#039;s when you tried to stop the Vietnam War&quot;;&quot;I never suspected that you were anyone but one of us.&quot;) A couple of people admit to being &#039;uncomfortable with his defense of the Weather Underground,&quot; but that&#039;s about as argumentative as it gets.  Of course, since the list of ALL comments begins with five &quot;Bravo&quot; and &quot;Kudos,&quot; I&#039;m not sure I can bear to wade through to see if there were any sensible people who responded. 

I can&#039;t even put words to how angry and incredulous this makes me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The default setting on the article comments is to show Editors&#8217; Selections, all of which defend Ayers&#8217; &#8220;values,&#8221; (&#8220;I appreciate the effort and the courage you showed in the 1970&#8242;s when you tried to stop the Vietnam War&#8221;;&#8221;I never suspected that you were anyone but one of us.&#8221;) A couple of people admit to being &#8216;uncomfortable with his defense of the Weather Underground,&#8221; but that&#8217;s about as argumentative as it gets.  Of course, since the list of ALL comments begins with five &#8220;Bravo&#8221; and &#8220;Kudos,&#8221; I&#8217;m not sure I can bear to wade through to see if there were any sensible people who responded. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t even put words to how angry and incredulous this makes me.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guilt by association doesn&#039;t refer to Ayers&#039;s WU activity. It  refers to his currently held ideas on social justice education, which BO supported funding at the expense of math/science projects. And for me, at least, the failure of the MSM to ever question BO&#039;s ideas on the topic is scandalous, especially given that education was a hot topic in his campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guilt by association doesn&#8217;t refer to Ayers&#8217;s WU activity. It  refers to his currently held ideas on social justice education, which BO supported funding at the expense of math/science projects. And for me, at least, the failure of the MSM to ever question BO&#8217;s ideas on the topic is scandalous, especially given that education was a hot topic in his campaign.</p>
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