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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/12/31/timetables/comment-page-1/#comment-40603</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 03:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen any evidence that Israelis are in fact tired of the whole struggle, that they will strike with all their power to defeat Hamas.  This will not be a war; it is just another minimal conflict that is highly political in nature.  Israelis want the rockets to stop, but they don&#039;t want to enact the price that will REALLY make the rockets stop.  So this is just another half-measure, to ameliorate the worst of the pain.  While guaranteeing that the pain will continue.

Consider: You have an enemy on your border that daily preaches and advocates your complete destruction, and MEANS it.  And they are launching a barrage of rockets, daily, for weeks, against you.  (The effectiveness of their targetting devices hardly matters.)   Their television and radio and media are filled with vicious assaults against the very nature of your people.  If they could, they would murder every single one of you.

If you were a sovereign nation fully committed to the safety of your own people, if you were to declare war against this enemy, it would have to be total war.  The propaganda must be driven underground - any media outlet of any sort preaching the hate must be bombed.  Any school known to be preaching the hate must be shut down and then reduced to rubble.  For any known militants engaged in politics or military action, you must attempt to kill them.  Every known target must be attacked.  Why does everyone over there think that the public propaganda is safer than underground propaganda?  Of course you drive them underground; you make them the skulkers, the furtive conspiracists.  Let them discuss it in hate-filled voices in their living rooms.  Not publicly.

This is war against an enemy, and Israel is making the classic mistake of not realizing that.  I cannot believe that fifty years of &quot;minor tactics&quot; against the radical Palestinians has gained Israel anything - generations have grown up under these minor conflicts, which are guaranteed to keep the flames of hate at a furious burn.  But a people get the government they deserve, and until the Israeli people truly do unite and make it clear that they want the radicalized Palestinians defeated - which means driven underground, reduced from public power, and reduced in number, and thereafter constantly under threat - the Israelis won&#039;t do it, and the endless conflict will endlessly continue.

Finally, a maxim: To refuse to apply justice to the guilty is to harm the innocent.
 Mercy does not mean allowing the guilty to roam free.  Mercy reduces the punishment once the guilty have been apprehended, once their predations have ceased.  Israel continues to make terrible mistakes in these decades-long, endless quarter-measures against their avowed enemies that seek the total destruction of Israelis.  For eventually they shall become strong enough to murder all Israelis - that IS what they do want, after all - and what then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen any evidence that Israelis are in fact tired of the whole struggle, that they will strike with all their power to defeat Hamas.  This will not be a war; it is just another minimal conflict that is highly political in nature.  Israelis want the rockets to stop, but they don&#8217;t want to enact the price that will REALLY make the rockets stop.  So this is just another half-measure, to ameliorate the worst of the pain.  While guaranteeing that the pain will continue.</p>
<p>Consider: You have an enemy on your border that daily preaches and advocates your complete destruction, and MEANS it.  And they are launching a barrage of rockets, daily, for weeks, against you.  (The effectiveness of their targetting devices hardly matters.)   Their television and radio and media are filled with vicious assaults against the very nature of your people.  If they could, they would murder every single one of you.</p>
<p>If you were a sovereign nation fully committed to the safety of your own people, if you were to declare war against this enemy, it would have to be total war.  The propaganda must be driven underground &#8211; any media outlet of any sort preaching the hate must be bombed.  Any school known to be preaching the hate must be shut down and then reduced to rubble.  For any known militants engaged in politics or military action, you must attempt to kill them.  Every known target must be attacked.  Why does everyone over there think that the public propaganda is safer than underground propaganda?  Of course you drive them underground; you make them the skulkers, the furtive conspiracists.  Let them discuss it in hate-filled voices in their living rooms.  Not publicly.</p>
<p>This is war against an enemy, and Israel is making the classic mistake of not realizing that.  I cannot believe that fifty years of &#8220;minor tactics&#8221; against the radical Palestinians has gained Israel anything &#8211; generations have grown up under these minor conflicts, which are guaranteed to keep the flames of hate at a furious burn.  But a people get the government they deserve, and until the Israeli people truly do unite and make it clear that they want the radicalized Palestinians defeated &#8211; which means driven underground, reduced from public power, and reduced in number, and thereafter constantly under threat &#8211; the Israelis won&#8217;t do it, and the endless conflict will endlessly continue.</p>
<p>Finally, a maxim: To refuse to apply justice to the guilty is to harm the innocent.<br />
 Mercy does not mean allowing the guilty to roam free.  Mercy reduces the punishment once the guilty have been apprehended, once their predations have ceased.  Israel continues to make terrible mistakes in these decades-long, endless quarter-measures against their avowed enemies that seek the total destruction of Israelis.  For eventually they shall become strong enough to murder all Israelis &#8211; that IS what they do want, after all &#8211; and what then?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/12/31/timetables/comment-page-1/#comment-40592</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I believe the Juice of Israel should offer the Palestinians a truce - but only after Hamas and its infrastructure have been completely and irrevocably destroyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I believe the Juice of Israel should offer the Palestinians a truce &#8211; but only after Hamas and its infrastructure have been completely and irrevocably destroyed.</p>
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		<title>By: 11B40</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/12/31/timetables/comment-page-1/#comment-40576</link>
		<dc:creator>11B40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings:

I think that the &quot;timetable&quot; (What? Is this a railroad?) issue is a variation on the &quot;I just want to understand&quot; plea from your sweetheart.  You know immediately that there is no chance of a correct or pleasing response and the interrogatory torture will continue until you expire or un-ass the area.  

Smite them, hip and thigh. Repeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings:</p>
<p>I think that the &#8220;timetable&#8221; (What? Is this a railroad?) issue is a variation on the &#8220;I just want to understand&#8221; plea from your sweetheart.  You know immediately that there is no chance of a correct or pleasing response and the interrogatory torture will continue until you expire or un-ass the area.  </p>
<p>Smite them, hip and thigh. Repeat.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Sheldon</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/12/31/timetables/comment-page-1/#comment-40573</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Mr. Martel is not under the illusion that he has started an argument.

I don&#039;t see any other reasonable analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Mr. Martel is not under the illusion that he has started an argument.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any other reasonable analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Martel</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/12/31/timetables/comment-page-1/#comment-40572</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Martel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Israel will soon be pushed into a total war against Hamas.

Ironically, what may push them is confirmation of the rumor that The One is thinking of placing Israel under the U.S. nuclear umbrella. So, if Iran attacks Israel with atomic bombs, it will precipitate a devastating American retaliation.

Here are the two problems with that scenario:

1. Israel will probably be destroyed in an attack by an Iran that has been allowed to develop nukes. The threat of retaliation will have made no difference. 

2. The U.S. &quot;nuclear umbrella&quot; will be administered by a chickenshit metrosexual Democrat who has no stomach for war. Since Israel will have been eliminated as a source of irritation for all right-thinking people, The One will reason, to global applause, that there&#039;s no point in avenging the Jooos.

So, Israel will finally realize that it&#039;s on its own. Pushing hard against Hamas will not only eliminate one implacable foe, it will signal to Iran and the world that Israel is finally getting serious and that it is ramping up for some hard-core steps. This means taking out what it can of the Iranian nuclear installations. 

Since Bush and Obama have already signaled that Iran is free to develop nukes, Israel is our last hope for stopping it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Israel will soon be pushed into a total war against Hamas.</p>
<p>Ironically, what may push them is confirmation of the rumor that The One is thinking of placing Israel under the U.S. nuclear umbrella. So, if Iran attacks Israel with atomic bombs, it will precipitate a devastating American retaliation.</p>
<p>Here are the two problems with that scenario:</p>
<p>1. Israel will probably be destroyed in an attack by an Iran that has been allowed to develop nukes. The threat of retaliation will have made no difference. </p>
<p>2. The U.S. &#8220;nuclear umbrella&#8221; will be administered by a chickenshit metrosexual Democrat who has no stomach for war. Since Israel will have been eliminated as a source of irritation for all right-thinking people, The One will reason, to global applause, that there&#8217;s no point in avenging the Jooos.</p>
<p>So, Israel will finally realize that it&#8217;s on its own. Pushing hard against Hamas will not only eliminate one implacable foe, it will signal to Iran and the world that Israel is finally getting serious and that it is ramping up for some hard-core steps. This means taking out what it can of the Iranian nuclear installations. </p>
<p>Since Bush and Obama have already signaled that Iran is free to develop nukes, Israel is our last hope for stopping it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/12/31/timetables/comment-page-1/#comment-40569</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is worth pointing out that one of our own Patriots, a rich Jew named Chaim Solomon repeatedly lent the Continental Congress large sums of money during the war despite the very real possibility that he might not ever be paid back. Indeed, some accounts say that he died penniless as a result, others not. But that&#039;s not the point. He risked his wealth to give significant aid to his country when it was in desperate need, and he deserves more credit than he gets which usually is Bupkis (zilch, nothing). Some accounts even say that the Star of David (the 13 stars) which can be found in the Great Seal on the dollar bill were put there in his honor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is worth pointing out that one of our own Patriots, a rich Jew named Chaim Solomon repeatedly lent the Continental Congress large sums of money during the war despite the very real possibility that he might not ever be paid back. Indeed, some accounts say that he died penniless as a result, others not. But that&#8217;s not the point. He risked his wealth to give significant aid to his country when it was in desperate need, and he deserves more credit than he gets which usually is Bupkis (zilch, nothing). Some accounts even say that the Star of David (the 13 stars) which can be found in the Great Seal on the dollar bill were put there in his honor.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/12/31/timetables/comment-page-1/#comment-40563</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush could essentially have nullified the &quot;not enough troops&quot;, &quot;broken army&quot;, and &quot;no timetables&quot; propaganda line by publicly saying that he will redeploy troops from South Korea and Germany to Iraq. That with some highlights of the cost of being in South Korea will get something good going. It may even motivate the anti-American government of South Korea to be responsible for their own defense of their own DMZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush could essentially have nullified the &#8220;not enough troops&#8221;, &#8220;broken army&#8221;, and &#8220;no timetables&#8221; propaganda line by publicly saying that he will redeploy troops from South Korea and Germany to Iraq. That with some highlights of the cost of being in South Korea will get something good going. It may even motivate the anti-American government of South Korea to be responsible for their own defense of their own DMZ.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/12/31/timetables/comment-page-1/#comment-40561</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;(Has anybody looked to see how well Korea worked out? We are still there.)&lt;/b&gt;

And that&#039;s perfectly fine with the Left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>(Has anybody looked to see how well Korea worked out? We are still there.)</b></p>
<p>And that&#8217;s perfectly fine with the Left.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiresias</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/12/31/timetables/comment-page-1/#comment-40560</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiresias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;ve taken the decision to fight, then the timetable is automatic: you come home when you&#039;ve won.

The war ends when one side&#039;s ability to fight or resist further has been eliminated.

Anything less is BS, tic-tac-toe, and matchstick games.  The continued running sore of Israeli relations with Hizbollah, Hamas, the PLO and the rest of the recurring gangs of murderous jackasses that surround them has been proving the &quot;value&quot; of half measures for sixty years.

You bomb them flat, kill their power, shut off their milkman, close their stores, and END it.  Then, should you feel like it, you give the collateral damage a nice funeral - though that is the mark of housebroken people and not strictly necessary.  But you END it.

We haven&#039;t had the stomach for that, apparently, since 1945.  Israel is apparently losing their stomach for it.

This will not accrue positively to either our future, or Israel&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;ve taken the decision to fight, then the timetable is automatic: you come home when you&#8217;ve won.</p>
<p>The war ends when one side&#8217;s ability to fight or resist further has been eliminated.</p>
<p>Anything less is BS, tic-tac-toe, and matchstick games.  The continued running sore of Israeli relations with Hizbollah, Hamas, the PLO and the rest of the recurring gangs of murderous jackasses that surround them has been proving the &#8220;value&#8221; of half measures for sixty years.</p>
<p>You bomb them flat, kill their power, shut off their milkman, close their stores, and END it.  Then, should you feel like it, you give the collateral damage a nice funeral &#8211; though that is the mark of housebroken people and not strictly necessary.  But you END it.</p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t had the stomach for that, apparently, since 1945.  Israel is apparently losing their stomach for it.</p>
<p>This will not accrue positively to either our future, or Israel&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Sheldon</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/12/31/timetables/comment-page-1/#comment-40558</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Used to be, somebody started it, if we go0t into it, we stayed until the work was done.

The Dems, Truman, and Korea was the first time we did the giveup and quit thing.

(Has anybody looked to see how well Korea worked out?  We are still there.)

And I might be wrong--it might have been  when Eisenhower was told to let the other leftists take Berlin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Used to be, somebody started it, if we go0t into it, we stayed until the work was done.</p>
<p>The Dems, Truman, and Korea was the first time we did the giveup and quit thing.</p>
<p>(Has anybody looked to see how well Korea worked out?  We are still there.)</p>
<p>And I might be wrong&#8211;it might have been  when Eisenhower was told to let the other leftists take Berlin.</p>
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