Comments on: Moral clarity http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/01/06/moral-clarity/ Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts. Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:27:38 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Ymarsakar http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/01/06/moral-clarity/comment-page-1/#comment-40909 Ymarsakar Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:45:33 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=5103#comment-40909 <B>The Europeans, especially, should know better.</b> But they don't know any better. America had to stop in, more than once, to prevent the Europeans from destroying their own continent. And they call us the warmongers... The Europeans, especially, should know better.

But they don’t know any better. America had to stop in, more than once, to prevent the Europeans from destroying their own continent.

And they call us the warmongers…

]]> By: Danny Lemieux http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/01/06/moral-clarity/comment-page-1/#comment-40892 Danny Lemieux Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:49:00 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=5103#comment-40892 Whoops, here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sprC7dEci3Y Whoops, here’s the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sprC7dEci3Y

]]> By: Danny Lemieux http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/01/06/moral-clarity/comment-page-1/#comment-40891 Danny Lemieux Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:48:39 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=5103#comment-40891 You are absolutely right, Highlander! The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were disproporationate and that's what brought WWII to an end. Gen. Sherman's slash and burn march through Georgia demoralized the Southern citizenry and brought the war to a quick end. On the other hand, Europe had many wars such as you described (the Hundred Years War and the 18th-19th Napoleonic and Franco Prussion wars). The Europeans, especially, should know better. Unfortunately, Liberal/Lefties are not only ignorant of history, they really don't understand why history matters. All they want is a wonderful world [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sprC7dEci3Y] somewhere in dreamland. You are absolutely right, Highlander! The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were disproporationate and that’s what brought WWII to an end. Gen. Sherman’s slash and burn march through Georgia demoralized the Southern citizenry and brought the war to a quick end. On the other hand, Europe had many wars such as you described (the Hundred Years War and the 18th-19th Napoleonic and Franco Prussion wars). The Europeans, especially, should know better.

Unfortunately, Liberal/Lefties are not only ignorant of history, they really don’t understand why history matters. All they want is a wonderful world [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sprC7dEci3Y] somewhere in dreamland.

]]> By: War In Gaza Update #11 « Random Thoughts- Do They Have Meaning? http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/01/06/moral-clarity/comment-page-1/#comment-40875 War In Gaza Update #11 « Random Thoughts- Do They Have Meaning? Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:40:17 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=5103#comment-40875 [...] found a great source of Moral clarity. Let’s surf over to Yourish to read World trying to push Israel into an early cease [...] [...] found a great source of Moral clarity. Let’s surf over to Yourish to read World trying to push Israel into an early cease [...]

]]> By: SADIE http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/01/06/moral-clarity/comment-page-1/#comment-40834 SADIE Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:10:07 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=5103#comment-40834 Tiresias: If it were me making the decisions, I'd say FIRE AWAY. Unfortunately, Israel is caught between a Livni, Olmert, Barak and a *hard place. * morals and ethics Tiresias:

If it were me making the decisions, I’d say FIRE AWAY.

Unfortunately, Israel is caught between a Livni, Olmert, Barak and a *hard place.

* morals and ethics

]]> By: Tiresias http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/01/06/moral-clarity/comment-page-1/#comment-40825 Tiresias Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:46:26 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=5103#comment-40825 That's precisely the point, Sadie: damned if they do and damned if they don't - so might as well. That’s precisely the point, Sadie: damned if they do and damned if they don’t – so might as well.

]]> By: highlander http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/01/06/moral-clarity/comment-page-1/#comment-40818 highlander Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:13:30 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=5103#comment-40818 Where is it written that a response to aggression ought to be "proportional"? The idea that a nation defending itself from attack should limit itself to a "proportional response" is not only stupid and crazy, it is also <i>by far</i> the most <i>inhumane</i>. The bloodiest wars have always been those in which both combatants have roughly equal military strength. The least bloody, and therefore the most humane, are those in which one side quickly and decisively overwhelms the other with superior force. It would not only be stupid, but arguably <i>immoral</i> for a nation to go to war with anything less than sufficient resources and resolve to <i>win</i>, and not only to win, but to win in short order. "Proportional response" is an intellectual virus which sounds good to those who do not take the trouble to think through what it means in actual practice. The reality of it would be horrible beyond measure. Where is it written that a response to aggression ought to be “proportional”?

The idea that a nation defending itself from attack should limit itself to a “proportional response” is not only stupid and crazy, it is also by far the most inhumane.

The bloodiest wars have always been those in which both combatants have roughly equal military strength. The least bloody, and therefore the most humane, are those in which one side quickly and decisively overwhelms the other with superior force.

It would not only be stupid, but arguably immoral for a nation to go to war with anything less than sufficient resources and resolve to win, and not only to win, but to win in short order.

“Proportional response” is an intellectual virus which sounds good to those who do not take the trouble to think through what it means in actual practice. The reality of it would be horrible beyond measure.

]]> By: SADIE http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/01/06/moral-clarity/comment-page-1/#comment-40817 SADIE Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:09:59 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=5103#comment-40817 Charles: Point well taken. The Israelis are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Charles:

Point well taken. The Israelis are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

]]> By: Charles Martel http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/01/06/moral-clarity/comment-page-1/#comment-40786 Charles Martel Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:23:29 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=5103#comment-40786 <blockquote>The charge that Israel is using disproportionate force is equally baseless. Does proportionality demand that Israel fire 6,000 rockets indiscriminately back at Gaza?</blockquote> Here's the problem: The Israelis, being thoughtful people who know how to operate at a higher mental level than the Palestinians ("Kill the Jooos, nail those 72 virgins, de-clitorize our sisters!"), will make the mistake of not discriminately firing their mssiles into Gaza. Thus the world will heap even more scorn and condemnation on them for accurately targeting their projectiles.

The charge that Israel is using disproportionate force is equally baseless. Does proportionality demand that Israel fire 6,000 rockets indiscriminately back at Gaza?

Here’s the problem: The Israelis, being thoughtful people who know how to operate at a higher mental level than the Palestinians (”Kill the Jooos, nail those 72 virgins, de-clitorize our sisters!”), will make the mistake of not discriminately firing their mssiles into Gaza.

Thus the world will heap even more scorn and condemnation on them for accurately targeting their projectiles.

]]> By: Tiresias http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/01/06/moral-clarity/comment-page-1/#comment-40779 Tiresias Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:20:25 +0000 http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=5103#comment-40779 I wouldn't take it as tongue in cheek - I agree with Sadie. What the hell, fire the rockets. I wouldn’t take it as tongue in cheek – I agree with Sadie. What the hell, fire the rockets.

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