One Frenchman’s view

I was speaking with one of the parents at martial arts today, a Frenchman who now lives with his family here in the United States.  I don’t recall how it happened, but the conversation got around to a coded talk about the Islamisization of Europe.  His opinion, surprisingly, was that it will happen in America before it happens in Europe.  “You Americans are too politically correct.  They are not so nice in Europe.”  I pointed out that, demographically, the Muslims had a huge head start in Europe.  That didn’t matter to him.  “One family after another with eight children,” he said, “and before you know it, they take over.  And you won’t stop them.”

A few more conversations like that and I’ll know him for the conservative he is and invite him to one of the crypto-conservative parties I’ve mentioned here before.  (I’m going to one on Saturday, and I’ll let you know if anything interesting comes up.)

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  • Charles Martel

    Your Frenchman has entirely too nostalgic a view of Europe. True, his fellow continentals are the greatest collection of let’s-kill-each-other-at-the-drop-of-a-hat artists in the last two millenia, but that was when they bothered to reproduce.

    Doesn’t he understand that all of Europe’s haters are OLD? How are they going to kick out/imprison/kill all those pesky Muslims when a.) they have no militaries and b.) they’re too frickin’ OLD for street fighting and arrest sweeps?

    Sheesh. I think the last time we could rely on a European to think rationally was back when Newton was alive.

    Oh, wait, Brits aren’t really Europeans, are they?

  • Charles Martel

    I just read today an article in “First Things” by Jean Bethke Elshtain called “While Europe Slept.” In a nutshell, Elshtain discusses how Europe’s deliberate jettisoning of its Judeo-Christian heritage can only lead to nihilism–a nihilism that is both too powerless and apathetic to resist Islamization because it cannot see any real reason to defend itself.

    I would tell the Frenchman that while Europe is probably finished because too few people there really believe in anything anymore beyond six-week vacations, unlimited fornication and free veterinary-level healthcare, there are at least 100 million people here who can’t be co-opted by such tripe and refuse to be dhimmis.

    You have to remember that he comes from a nation of physical and moral cowards. America is a whole ‘nother ballgame.

  • Danny Lemieux

    As a (half) Frenchman, I agree with Charles. The French delude themselves (I see it in my own family). Their own media is so corrupted and government controlled that they really don’t know what is happening in their country. The average Frenchman prefers to stay blissfully ignorant of social and governmental affairs because they long ago were stripped of their ability to influence their government. Those that speak out are a largely ignored minority that have to fight for every bit of exposure they can get.

    Ask your friend, Book, whether he is aware that France, with a population about 1/5 of ours, has 750 muslim ghettos where the police fear to tread (called ZUS, for zones urbains sensible)? These are crime-ridden, weapons-hot areas that subsist on the drug trade and are basically run under sharia law, fomenting a Muslim takeover of Europe. French law doesn’t apply in these areas. Yes, we have ghettos, but I would be surprised if our entire nation has 100 such areas where police dare to tread. And, whereas immigrant gangs are a major problem in the U.S, they really don’t plot to wage war on the rest of the population and force them to submit to a barbaric religion. As these ZUS expand, they colonize the country.

    Here’s a good article on the subject: http://www.strategyunit.net/2006/11/751-no-go-zones-in-france-the-gap-societies/

    What your friend may not realize is that these Muslim radicals don’t need a majority to win. France (like the U.S.) is divided between left and (conservative other). The Left kowtows to the Islamicists because those extra votes are enough to tip the balance of power in their favor. In exchange, they give the Islamicists what they want and open the doors for more to come in. Yes, the French (any many other European countries are committing suicide (the Brits are probably in even worse shape although Muslims are proportionately a smaller part of the population).

    Here is where I agree with Charles – Europe has a long history of violent explosions that end in mass human rights violations and bloodshed. I, too, think that this is what will happen again – historical trends will repeat themselves and it will be a bloodbath.

    Here is where I profoundly disagree with Charles – “You have to remember that he comes from a nation of physical and moral cowards. America is a whole ‘nother ballgame”

    Charles, the French really aren’t all that different from us. The people of the French Left that have dominated their politics and society and led to its decay, degeneracy, and to sacrifice their freedom and dignity in exchange for a dependency on government indulgences…well, we have the same people over here. We call them “Democrats” and they, too, are in power, put there by the will of the majority of American voters.

    Although we in the opposition are far more empowered than the opposition in France, that too may change if we’re not careful to stand up for our rights and make ourselves heard.

  • http://photoncourier.blogspot.com David Foster

    One of the problems France has is that *working for the government* has long been viewed as the preferred route to success–this even goes back to the days of the monarchy. People would *buy* official titles and the rights that went with them (such as the right to collect taxes in a particular area and keep a commission), even when the returns on investment were small because the purchase price was high–because there was so much social status associated with these titles. This has certainly taken much talent away from the entrepreneurial sector. (It may have had one positive effect, in that the typical French government official is probably smarter and better educated than his American equivalent, but the net effect for the country as a whole is surely a negative one)

    I also think that European culture in general, and French culture in particular, may have never really recovered from World War I. The scale of casualties was unimaginable–I understand that *every single member* of the St-Cyr graduating class of 1914 was killed. (St-Cyr being the French West Point.) Two books that are helpful in understanding the social impact of the war are Paul Fussell’s “The Great War and Modern Memory” and Erich Maria Remarque’s “The Road Back,” which is kind of a sequel to “All Quiet on the Western Front,” but is a deeper piece of work, IMNSHO.

  • http://bookwormroom.com Bookworm

    David,

    “The Great War and Modern Memory” is one of my all time favorite books. Fussell also wrote an essay called “Thank God for the Atom Bomb,” that I think is brilliant, since my Mom was interned in a Japanese concentration camp.

  • Charles Martel

    Although we in the opposition are far more empowered than the opposition in France, that too may change if we’re not careful to stand up for our rights and make ourselves heard.”

    Danny, I’ll mute my hyperbole about the state of French courage and agree with you that it has been systematically purged from the nation.

    I’ll also agree that there but for the grace of God go we when it comes to what could happen here. The difference, though, is what you said above.

  • Mike Devx

    David #4
    >> Two books that are helpful in understanding the social impact of the war are Paul Fussell’s “The Great War and Modern Memory”…

    Book #5
    >> “The Great War and Modern Memory” is one of my all time favorite books.

    Well, that’s enough of a recommendation for me! I’ve ordered this book – and the book collection of his essays under the title “Thank God For the Atomic Bomb”, and added them to my list to read.

  • Zhombre

    “I also think that European culture in general, and French culture in particular, may have never really recovered from World War I.”

    I look at that stillborn child at the end of Hemingway’s Farewell to Arms as the symbol of a debellicized Europe to come.

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/ Ymarsakar

    And you won’t stop them.

    Depends upon whether we got our guns, landmines, grenades, 50 cal sniper rifles, now don’t it…

  • http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/ Ymarsakar

    The French lost their courage when they sent their bravest and most virtuous into the meat grinders of WWII. Just look at the population ratios between men and women in Russia for another example.