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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/03/01/coughing-up-the-kool-aid/comment-page-1/#comment-43896</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In concurrence with Danny 9, I&#039;ve read a few of Hitler&#039;s speeches. Not a lot, nor even  in the entirety, but they were very rational in the way he promised social change and prosperity.

For example, the justification for locking up gays, Jews, and other undesirables was Goering&#039;s often successful propaganda line that this has made the trains run on time and kept the streets safe. Where in other nations you have corruption and crime, in Germany things are safe.

Now whether that was actually true or not, doesn&#039;t matter, just like reporters didn&#039;t care what was really going on in Soviet Russia or in 2007 Iraq.

What matters is that it feels good. It feels true. It feels like something that &quot;should be right&quot;. That&#039;s what matters to people. But only to the people not currently suffering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In concurrence with Danny 9, I&#8217;ve read a few of Hitler&#8217;s speeches. Not a lot, nor even  in the entirety, but they were very rational in the way he promised social change and prosperity.</p>
<p>For example, the justification for locking up gays, Jews, and other undesirables was Goering&#8217;s often successful propaganda line that this has made the trains run on time and kept the streets safe. Where in other nations you have corruption and crime, in Germany things are safe.</p>
<p>Now whether that was actually true or not, doesn&#8217;t matter, just like reporters didn&#8217;t care what was really going on in Soviet Russia or in 2007 Iraq.</p>
<p>What matters is that it feels good. It feels true. It feels like something that &#8220;should be right&#8221;. That&#8217;s what matters to people. But only to the people not currently suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: Deana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny - #9

That was fantastic.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny &#8211; #9</p>
<p>That was fantastic.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Jesus, I have no doubt but that the man who violently overturned the money changers&#039; tables understood the difference between, on the one hand, ignoring minor or inevitable slights and, on the other hand, taking a strong affirmative stand against fundamental wrongs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Jesus, I have no doubt but that the man who violently overturned the money changers&#8217; tables understood the difference between, on the one hand, ignoring minor or inevitable slights and, on the other hand, taking a strong affirmative stand against fundamental wrongs.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But they are repairing themselves. Or rather, they believe that so long as they can stay superior to barbarians or others they deem inferior, they will be held pure and able, thus will they cure the world of ills.

Similar to how there are Christians who don&#039;t believe you need a military to protect America cause you need to &quot;turn the other cheek&quot; or as Helen noted before, Jesus would have been a Democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But they are repairing themselves. Or rather, they believe that so long as they can stay superior to barbarians or others they deem inferior, they will be held pure and able, thus will they cure the world of ills.</p>
<p>Similar to how there are Christians who don&#8217;t believe you need a military to protect America cause you need to &#8220;turn the other cheek&#8221; or as Helen noted before, Jesus would have been a Democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, MikeD. Feedback is much appreciated. I guess that I forgot to mention that, under Hitler, Christians were also undesirables (something that most Jews have a hard time recognizing because it goes so much against the popular template). The problem was that there were too many Christians to get rid of so they had to be undermined piece by piece (such as requiring that Mein Kampf replace the Bible on church lecterns).

Book, I would like to add one more item to Neocon Hippie&#039;s list: Tikkun Olam - the idea that it is a person&#039;s duty to &quot;repair&quot; or &quot;perfect&quot; the world. From my understanding (which, as a gentile, may be very limited, I confess). The prayer, I believe, is linked specifically to the goal of &quot;repairing the world under God&#039;s sovereignty&quot;, so it is in a spiritual sense. However, many many marginally religious (if at all) synagogues apply it in a non-spiritual sense and this is where human fallibility, hubris and narcissism come into play to create visions of secular utopias and all their attendent evils. 

To truly repair the world, you must first repair yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, MikeD. Feedback is much appreciated. I guess that I forgot to mention that, under Hitler, Christians were also undesirables (something that most Jews have a hard time recognizing because it goes so much against the popular template). The problem was that there were too many Christians to get rid of so they had to be undermined piece by piece (such as requiring that Mein Kampf replace the Bible on church lecterns).</p>
<p>Book, I would like to add one more item to Neocon Hippie&#8217;s list: Tikkun Olam &#8211; the idea that it is a person&#8217;s duty to &#8220;repair&#8221; or &#8220;perfect&#8221; the world. From my understanding (which, as a gentile, may be very limited, I confess). The prayer, I believe, is linked specifically to the goal of &#8220;repairing the world under God&#8217;s sovereignty&#8221;, so it is in a spiritual sense. However, many many marginally religious (if at all) synagogues apply it in a non-spiritual sense and this is where human fallibility, hubris and narcissism come into play to create visions of secular utopias and all their attendent evils. </p>
<p>To truly repair the world, you must first repair yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, HEAR HEAR!!!
That was a brilliant and concise summary of Hitler&#039;s National &lt;b&gt;Socialist&lt;/b&gt; party.  Aka Nazis.  Most people out there think the Nazis were reactionary conservatives.  Most people couldn&#039;t be more wrong.  They have so much in common with today&#039;s liberals that it&#039;s scary.  Take away the Nazi genocidal hatreds, and there is little difference.  Give the USA some really terrible times that last, say, a decade, and then give the libs a charismatic genocidal leader... yipes.  The fascist tendencies have already been on display during the Obama election, as they sought and still seek to suppress dissent, and they demand that we&#039;re all in this together and so we all must toe the same line... or else...

Awesome job spelling it out, Danny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, HEAR HEAR!!!<br />
That was a brilliant and concise summary of Hitler&#8217;s National <b>Socialist</b> party.  Aka Nazis.  Most people out there think the Nazis were reactionary conservatives.  Most people couldn&#8217;t be more wrong.  They have so much in common with today&#8217;s liberals that it&#8217;s scary.  Take away the Nazi genocidal hatreds, and there is little difference.  Give the USA some really terrible times that last, say, a decade, and then give the libs a charismatic genocidal leader&#8230; yipes.  The fascist tendencies have already been on display during the Obama election, as they sought and still seek to suppress dissent, and they demand that we&#8217;re all in this together and so we all must toe the same line&#8230; or else&#8230;</p>
<p>Awesome job spelling it out, Danny!</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, what you share is very interesting, Excathedra. One very common misperception that I have picked up among Jews is that Hitler was a madman and the Nazis were brainless, knuckle-dragging bubbas drooling out of the corners of their mouths. Perhaps this caricature helps to make the monster more understanding. 

What these enlightened individuals cannot confront is that the Hitler was actually quite a brilliant man and the National Socialist vision was not all that different from the Leftwing Socialist visions held today (including by many Democrats): Hitler was a vegetarian environmentalist (environmentalism was a major tenet of the Nazi youth movement) atheist who loved animals and children and believed in national health insurance, national retirement plans, national work safety rules, subsidized services, universal education, nationalization of industry, full employment, shovel-ready infrastructure projects (autobahns), and material well-being for all (not only would everybody owning their own homes, they would own their own Volkswagens). So, from a Democrat perspective, what&#039;s there not to like? National socialism was a credo actively supported by German and Austrian academia. Dissenting professors were driven from the University. Of course, the &quot;people&quot; had to be mobilized by community organizers (...they were easy to spot with distinguishing arm bands) in order to achieve all these aims. Sacrifices had to be made for the State to achieve its goal.

The only problem was there were people in the way of creating this Utopia on earth. They were called Jews, disabled people, Slavs and other inferior races. Today, they might be Republicans, Evangelicals and, of course, Jews.

As Ecclesiastes says, there really isn&#039;t anything new under the sun.

So, all those idealistic, well-educated, intellectual Jews seeking Utopia on earth of whom you speak...we&#039;ve seen them before. They went by another label then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, what you share is very interesting, Excathedra. One very common misperception that I have picked up among Jews is that Hitler was a madman and the Nazis were brainless, knuckle-dragging bubbas drooling out of the corners of their mouths. Perhaps this caricature helps to make the monster more understanding. </p>
<p>What these enlightened individuals cannot confront is that the Hitler was actually quite a brilliant man and the National Socialist vision was not all that different from the Leftwing Socialist visions held today (including by many Democrats): Hitler was a vegetarian environmentalist (environmentalism was a major tenet of the Nazi youth movement) atheist who loved animals and children and believed in national health insurance, national retirement plans, national work safety rules, subsidized services, universal education, nationalization of industry, full employment, shovel-ready infrastructure projects (autobahns), and material well-being for all (not only would everybody owning their own homes, they would own their own Volkswagens). So, from a Democrat perspective, what&#8217;s there not to like? National socialism was a credo actively supported by German and Austrian academia. Dissenting professors were driven from the University. Of course, the &#8220;people&#8221; had to be mobilized by community organizers (&#8230;they were easy to spot with distinguishing arm bands) in order to achieve all these aims. Sacrifices had to be made for the State to achieve its goal.</p>
<p>The only problem was there were people in the way of creating this Utopia on earth. They were called Jews, disabled people, Slavs and other inferior races. Today, they might be Republicans, Evangelicals and, of course, Jews.</p>
<p>As Ecclesiastes says, there really isn&#8217;t anything new under the sun.</p>
<p>So, all those idealistic, well-educated, intellectual Jews seeking Utopia on earth of whom you speak&#8230;we&#8217;ve seen them before. They went by another label then.</p>
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		<title>By: excathedra</title>
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		<dc:creator>excathedra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have worked with Bay Area psychologists and psychiatrists for many years and many of them are Jews. Great people, lots of them. But I have always avoided looking too closely at them in one particular way: the frightening disconnect between the places they perceive and react to anti-Semitism and the places where they seem utterly blind to it.

For example, Carl Jung had some opinions about Jews as a group that were typical of people of his class and time. (And these opinions seem rather benign compared to the bilge our progressive elites now disgorge.) Jewish shrinks get very exercised about this. It is, in real life, a tiny issue of no significance any longer. Ann Coulter opines that Jews should convert to Christianity because it is the fulfillment of the Torah. (Hardly a novel idea.) They become apoplectic.

But these same bright, passionate, curious people become hesitant and highminded and empathetic and guilt-ridden when having to deal with the reality of Muslim masses who truly loathe Jews and who, when given the chance, murder them, sometimes torture and slaughter them, and boast about it. 

I have a gay Jewish colleague who condemns me as &quot;a self loathing fag&quot; for having voted for George Bush and who then goes out and raises money for Palestinian Arabs!

It is a disconnect that I avoided looking at because it is so frightening. These folks are in many ways the cream of the crop.

If these people, who not only have a personal history of achievement and intellect and familiarity with the labyrinths of the human psyche, but also a communal history which now includes genocidal Arab hatred of the only piece of land on earth Jews might call their own....if these people are so unable to look reality in the face, it makes me very very nervous about the mind and spine of the West.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have worked with Bay Area psychologists and psychiatrists for many years and many of them are Jews. Great people, lots of them. But I have always avoided looking too closely at them in one particular way: the frightening disconnect between the places they perceive and react to anti-Semitism and the places where they seem utterly blind to it.</p>
<p>For example, Carl Jung had some opinions about Jews as a group that were typical of people of his class and time. (And these opinions seem rather benign compared to the bilge our progressive elites now disgorge.) Jewish shrinks get very exercised about this. It is, in real life, a tiny issue of no significance any longer. Ann Coulter opines that Jews should convert to Christianity because it is the fulfillment of the Torah. (Hardly a novel idea.) They become apoplectic.</p>
<p>But these same bright, passionate, curious people become hesitant and highminded and empathetic and guilt-ridden when having to deal with the reality of Muslim masses who truly loathe Jews and who, when given the chance, murder them, sometimes torture and slaughter them, and boast about it. </p>
<p>I have a gay Jewish colleague who condemns me as &#8220;a self loathing fag&#8221; for having voted for George Bush and who then goes out and raises money for Palestinian Arabs!</p>
<p>It is a disconnect that I avoided looking at because it is so frightening. These folks are in many ways the cream of the crop.</p>
<p>If these people, who not only have a personal history of achievement and intellect and familiarity with the labyrinths of the human psyche, but also a communal history which now includes genocidal Arab hatred of the only piece of land on earth Jews might call their own&#8230;.if these people are so unable to look reality in the face, it makes me very very nervous about the mind and spine of the West.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who don&#039;t our third graders in the U.S. have a geography exercise where they take a world map covering Europe, eastern Africa, the Middle East, and western Asia, and color in the countries that are pro-Israel, the countries that are anti-Israel, and the countries that are neutral.

After the shock of looking at such a color-coded map, a lesson about bullies, threats, murder, holocaust, and extinction could shortly follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who don&#8217;t our third graders in the U.S. have a geography exercise where they take a world map covering Europe, eastern Africa, the Middle East, and western Asia, and color in the countries that are pro-Israel, the countries that are anti-Israel, and the countries that are neutral.</p>
<p>After the shock of looking at such a color-coded map, a lesson about bullies, threats, murder, holocaust, and extinction could shortly follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw, the context behind that saying concerns a man slated to be executed promising the King of Persia that if he can make his horse sing that he would then get a pardon. So the King stayed his execution by a year. Now some people then came and talked to the prisoner and asked him &quot;do you really think you can make the horse sing?&quot; Of course, he answered, &quot;No, but in a year&#039;s time, the King may die, I may die, and who knows, maybe the horse will learn to sing&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, the context behind that saying concerns a man slated to be executed promising the King of Persia that if he can make his horse sing that he would then get a pardon. So the King stayed his execution by a year. Now some people then came and talked to the prisoner and asked him &#8220;do you really think you can make the horse sing?&#8221; Of course, he answered, &#8220;No, but in a year&#8217;s time, the King may die, I may die, and who knows, maybe the horse will learn to sing&#8221;.</p>
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