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	<description>Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts.</description>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/03/21/speak-up-before-you-lose-the-right/comment-page-1/#comment-45769</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;State Supremacist&quot; - I like that...it combines a factual statement &quot;Statist&quot; with a modifier that is also a pejorative, &quot;Supremacist&quot;. It turns the Left&#039;s language against itself. Remember Alinsky - &quot;use their own rules against them&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;State Supremacist&#8221; &#8211; I like that&#8230;it combines a factual statement &#8220;Statist&#8221; with a modifier that is also a pejorative, &#8220;Supremacist&#8221;. It turns the Left&#8217;s language against itself. Remember Alinsky &#8211; &#8220;use their own rules against them&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Martel</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/03/21/speak-up-before-you-lose-the-right/comment-page-1/#comment-45759</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Martel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One way to start getting statist into the vocabulary is to consistently accompany the word &quot;progressive&quot; with it. Thus: &quot;As my &#039;progressive&#039; (statist) friends are fond of saying...&quot;

Another is to coin the accompanying phrase, &quot;state supremacist&quot; to answer Lenin&#039;s famous &quot;Who whom?&quot; question: Who has the power to do what to whom? For a statist/state supremacist, it is the state that has the power to do what it wants to the individual, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way to start getting statist into the vocabulary is to consistently accompany the word &#8220;progressive&#8221; with it. Thus: &#8220;As my &#8216;progressive&#8217; (statist) friends are fond of saying&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Another is to coin the accompanying phrase, &#8220;state supremacist&#8221; to answer Lenin&#8217;s famous &#8220;Who whom?&#8221; question: Who has the power to do what to whom? For a statist/state supremacist, it is the state that has the power to do what it wants to the individual, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/03/21/speak-up-before-you-lose-the-right/comment-page-1/#comment-45754</link>
		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t call them &quot;liberals&quot; because (a)they aren&#039;t, and (b)there are many self-defined liberals, particularly older ones, to whom we want to appeal and detach from the moonbattery.

I think the best thing to call them is &quot;progressives,&quot; always with the quotation marks, because that&#039;s what they call themselves. &quot;Statist&quot; may be accurate, but it&#039;s very hard to get a whole new vocabulary broadly adopted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t call them &#8220;liberals&#8221; because (a)they aren&#8217;t, and (b)there are many self-defined liberals, particularly older ones, to whom we want to appeal and detach from the moonbattery.</p>
<p>I think the best thing to call them is &#8220;progressives,&#8221; always with the quotation marks, because that&#8217;s what they call themselves. &#8220;Statist&#8221; may be accurate, but it&#8217;s very hard to get a whole new vocabulary broadly adopted.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/03/21/speak-up-before-you-lose-the-right/comment-page-1/#comment-45749</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To MikeD&#039;s point, the greatest wealth-creating resource is that which exists between our ears. However, the Obamanation is working hard to erase all incentives to apply that resource toward wealth creation.

It really is about capturing a fixed &quot;pie&quot; and, unfortunately, we&#039;re out of time to enforce basic economics education in the classroom that could have changed that pre-medieval mindset. So, unfortunately, vast segments of the lumpen proletariat will not ever get it. However, thanks to their ignorance, they may yet get to experience it - a shrinking &quot;pie&quot; society, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To MikeD&#8217;s point, the greatest wealth-creating resource is that which exists between our ears. However, the Obamanation is working hard to erase all incentives to apply that resource toward wealth creation.</p>
<p>It really is about capturing a fixed &#8220;pie&#8221; and, unfortunately, we&#8217;re out of time to enforce basic economics education in the classroom that could have changed that pre-medieval mindset. So, unfortunately, vast segments of the lumpen proletariat will not ever get it. However, thanks to their ignorance, they may yet get to experience it &#8211; a shrinking &#8220;pie&#8221; society, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/03/21/speak-up-before-you-lose-the-right/comment-page-1/#comment-45745</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too agree that Statist is the best term to describe our ideological opponents.  Is there a different &quot;best term&quot; than we&#039;ve been using, for us?

Book ran a great post a few months back in which she chose the word &quot;Statist&quot; as well.  Any chance of bumping that post up to the top again, Book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too agree that Statist is the best term to describe our ideological opponents.  Is there a different &#8220;best term&#8221; than we&#8217;ve been using, for us?</p>
<p>Book ran a great post a few months back in which she chose the word &#8220;Statist&#8221; as well.  Any chance of bumping that post up to the top again, Book?</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people have forgotten what liberty is. Thus they see no contradiction between calling wanna be tyrants in the Democrat party &quot;liberals&quot;, the people advocating liberty.

Instead, people are trained to believe that America has had all the worst actions in our history. Thus conservatives, people who wish to conserve our history, are evil for they wish to keep all the bad things and prevent all the good New Things coming down the pipe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people have forgotten what liberty is. Thus they see no contradiction between calling wanna be tyrants in the Democrat party &#8220;liberals&#8221;, the people advocating liberty.</p>
<p>Instead, people are trained to believe that America has had all the worst actions in our history. Thus conservatives, people who wish to conserve our history, are evil for they wish to keep all the bad things and prevent all the good New Things coming down the pipe.</p>
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		<title>By: Zhombre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhombre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberalism, based on the idea of individual liberty as a governing principle, has an honorable history.  It has been sullied, if not corrupted, by people who are more properly called statists, or collectivists, or luddites, or just plain jerks.  I&#039;ve felt for a while we are reaching a point where are political language no longer fits; it obscures and deflects more than clarifies.  What are conservatives trying to &quot;conserve&quot; except basic liberal values of limited government and individual liberty?  What is &quot;liberal&quot; or &quot;progressive&quot; about a vast expansion of government, an increase of bureaucracy (with a resultant increase of efficiency), and piling on of taxes?  I get irritated hearing people speak of right and left too: why should politics in the 21st century be calibrated on the basis of where Frenchmen sat their derriers in the 18th?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberalism, based on the idea of individual liberty as a governing principle, has an honorable history.  It has been sullied, if not corrupted, by people who are more properly called statists, or collectivists, or luddites, or just plain jerks.  I&#8217;ve felt for a while we are reaching a point where are political language no longer fits; it obscures and deflects more than clarifies.  What are conservatives trying to &#8220;conserve&#8221; except basic liberal values of limited government and individual liberty?  What is &#8220;liberal&#8221; or &#8220;progressive&#8221; about a vast expansion of government, an increase of bureaucracy (with a resultant increase of efficiency), and piling on of taxes?  I get irritated hearing people speak of right and left too: why should politics in the 21st century be calibrated on the basis of where Frenchmen sat their derriers in the 18th?</p>
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		<title>By: gpc31</title>
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		<dc:creator>gpc31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oldflyer, you are not off-point in the least!  You&#039;ve encapsulated the difference in one word. The root meaning of &quot;liberal&quot; is of course &quot;freedom&quot;.  

&quot;Statist&quot; is a true description of those people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldflyer, you are not off-point in the least!  You&#8217;ve encapsulated the difference in one word. The root meaning of &#8220;liberal&#8221; is of course &#8220;freedom&#8221;.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Statist&#8221; is a true description of those people.</p>
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		<title>By: gpc31</title>
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		<dc:creator>gpc31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the above comments are dead-on:  fights over control over power, wealth and status; misconceived metaphors about the economic pie, etc.

Re Ronald Haydon&#039;s point that
&quot;Both concepts [ie sharia govt and govt control of salaries] scare me to the core and radicalize me. And I’m usually not that kind of person at all.&quot;

I agree; I feel the same way.

For the first time in my life, I am thinking of joining a demonstration -- the &quot;tea party&quot; -- and as a personal aside, I can&#039;t tell you how utterly distasteful and foreign the idea of joining a movement feels to me as a rational individual.  Congregations are for church and temple; I don&#039;t like mass political rallies.

However.

The situation is alarming.  As one of the usually lion-hearted guys at Powerline wrote, &quot;I am depressed because the president of the United States is a fool who will immiserate us, render us wards of the state and lose us our life and liberty to those who understand what they are about. &quot;

Quite.  Let&#039;s acknowledge the reality of the situation and our fears; but let&#039;s not confuse trends with inevitability.

The question is how best to organize principled resistance.  I can&#039;t believe that most Americans are so un-American as to take this lying down.  Maybe it&#039;s only a matter of faith on my part, but to counteract this tendency towards acedia and despair, I will quote the modern patron saint of courage and liberty:

&quot;Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves.

I reckon we are at stage 2 1/2.  Victory is unsure and will be costly; I&#039;m not sure about the odds.  But we can always do what is right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the above comments are dead-on:  fights over control over power, wealth and status; misconceived metaphors about the economic pie, etc.</p>
<p>Re Ronald Haydon&#8217;s point that<br />
&#8220;Both concepts [ie sharia govt and govt control of salaries] scare me to the core and radicalize me. And I’m usually not that kind of person at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree; I feel the same way.</p>
<p>For the first time in my life, I am thinking of joining a demonstration &#8212; the &#8220;tea party&#8221; &#8212; and as a personal aside, I can&#8217;t tell you how utterly distasteful and foreign the idea of joining a movement feels to me as a rational individual.  Congregations are for church and temple; I don&#8217;t like mass political rallies.</p>
<p>However.</p>
<p>The situation is alarming.  As one of the usually lion-hearted guys at Powerline wrote, &#8220;I am depressed because the president of the United States is a fool who will immiserate us, render us wards of the state and lose us our life and liberty to those who understand what they are about. &#8221;</p>
<p>Quite.  Let&#8217;s acknowledge the reality of the situation and our fears; but let&#8217;s not confuse trends with inevitability.</p>
<p>The question is how best to organize principled resistance.  I can&#8217;t believe that most Americans are so un-American as to take this lying down.  Maybe it&#8217;s only a matter of faith on my part, but to counteract this tendency towards acedia and despair, I will quote the modern patron saint of courage and liberty:</p>
<p>&#8220;Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves.</p>
<p>I reckon we are at stage 2 1/2.  Victory is unsure and will be costly; I&#8217;m not sure about the odds.  But we can always do what is right!</p>
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		<title>By: Oldflyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oldflyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS

Clearly, Communists, Nazis and Facists had one common attribute.  They were all Statists.</description>
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<p>Clearly, Communists, Nazis and Facists had one common attribute.  They were all Statists.</p>
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