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		<title>By: Jeff9</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/03/29/bio-friendly-products/comment-page-1/#comment-46642</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those &quot;helping hands&quot; toilets are really a toilet bidet combination and very expensive. You can keep your current toilet and get the benefits this toilet offers by adding a hand bidet sprayer for very little cost. A hand held bathroom bidet sprayer is so much better than a stand alone bidet and this is why: 1. It&#039;s less expensive (potentially allot less) 2.You can install in yourself = no plumber expense 3. It works better by providing more control of where the water spray goes and a greater volume of water flow. 4. It requires no electricity and there are few things that can go wrong with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those &#8220;helping hands&#8221; toilets are really a toilet bidet combination and very expensive. You can keep your current toilet and get the benefits this toilet offers by adding a hand bidet sprayer for very little cost. A hand held bathroom bidet sprayer is so much better than a stand alone bidet and this is why: 1. It&#8217;s less expensive (potentially allot less) 2.You can install in yourself = no plumber expense 3. It works better by providing more control of where the water spray goes and a greater volume of water flow. 4. It requires no electricity and there are few things that can go wrong with it.</p>
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		<title>By: SADIE</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/03/29/bio-friendly-products/comment-page-1/#comment-46640</link>
		<dc:creator>SADIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The more interesting thing about this entire thread is that everyone had something to add, say, share. Let&#039;s make it 4 dozen posts here and I am calling this one -

A means to an end. I had heard about these &#039;helping hands&#039; (my use of terms) toilets, but have yet to meet anyone that has or used one.


http://www.performancetoilets.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&amp;Category=17]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more interesting thing about this entire thread is that everyone had something to add, say, share. Let&#8217;s make it 4 dozen posts here and I am calling this one -</p>
<p>A means to an end. I had heard about these &#8216;helping hands&#8217; (my use of terms) toilets, but have yet to meet anyone that has or used one.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.performancetoilets.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&#038;Category=17" rel="nofollow">http://www.performancetoilets.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&#038;Category=17</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/03/29/bio-friendly-products/comment-page-1/#comment-46632</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s fascinating about this conversation is that the Romans wrestled with the same thing.  They came up with communal bathrooms, running water under the benches, and sticks with cloth on them for wiping -- sticks that everyone shared.  Yech!  

Personal hygiene is a chronic human concern, and we know so little about how people handled it in the days before soft toilet paper and easy running water.  All we can be certain off is that, as to large parts of human history, we&#039;re better off now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s fascinating about this conversation is that the Romans wrestled with the same thing.  They came up with communal bathrooms, running water under the benches, and sticks with cloth on them for wiping &#8212; sticks that everyone shared.  Yech!  </p>
<p>Personal hygiene is a chronic human concern, and we know so little about how people handled it in the days before soft toilet paper and easy running water.  All we can be certain off is that, as to large parts of human history, we&#8217;re better off now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ye ol&#039; toilet paper trick, followed by the washing of the hands with soap and water, for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ye ol&#8217; toilet paper trick, followed by the washing of the hands with soap and water, for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 01:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Soap and water are a nice thing but where does the water come from? Seriously, either you are jumping up on the sink or using the shower, both are inefficient and use more water. The bidet sprayer is more convenient and more efficient. Also men in particular have to be careful and using soap too much because it can remove the natural oils the body needs and cause chafing and cracking of the skin and lead to rectal itch, the sprayer prevents this and can eliminate the problem if it already exists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soap and water are a nice thing but where does the water come from? Seriously, either you are jumping up on the sink or using the shower, both are inefficient and use more water. The bidet sprayer is more convenient and more efficient. Also men in particular have to be careful and using soap too much because it can remove the natural oils the body needs and cause chafing and cracking of the skin and lead to rectal itch, the sprayer prevents this and can eliminate the problem if it already exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Devx</title>
		<link>http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/03/29/bio-friendly-products/comment-page-1/#comment-46583</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Devx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff9,

Yes, I was thinking after I commented that a healthy amount of soap and water takes care of that.

I also then thought of Sheryl Crow&#039;s thought experiment (?) where we would all be limited to four squares of toilet paper (or be forced to pay for each additional square, with a coin slot I suppose)... and then there was her idea that if you eat in public you will be required to have your own cloth napkins attached to your sleeves.  I believe she meant that if you don&#039;t, you won&#039;t be allowed in.

I still don&#039;t think her reputation has recovered from that little burst of public eco-enthusiasm.

(And as always remember that such ideas as hers are *not* to be tried locally, nor tried by a business, but rather would be mandated, forced upon us by the national government.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff9,</p>
<p>Yes, I was thinking after I commented that a healthy amount of soap and water takes care of that.</p>
<p>I also then thought of Sheryl Crow&#8217;s thought experiment (?) where we would all be limited to four squares of toilet paper (or be forced to pay for each additional square, with a coin slot I suppose)&#8230; and then there was her idea that if you eat in public you will be required to have your own cloth napkins attached to your sleeves.  I believe she meant that if you don&#8217;t, you won&#8217;t be allowed in.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t think her reputation has recovered from that little burst of public eco-enthusiasm.</p>
<p>(And as always remember that such ideas as hers are *not* to be tried locally, nor tried by a business, but rather would be mandated, forced upon us by the national government.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 05:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, I know new ideas are difficult to grasp but please....the towel would be for your private bath not for quests. With guests you still provide toilet paper but it takes allot less to sop up a few water drops than to try to clean up a load of you know what. And it&#039;s much cleaner....unless you have chosen to never watch how many guys fail to wash their hands after going (I have watched, in horror) and then those guys will be out picking over the food, and putting some back down no doubt, at your buffet. Enjoy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I know new ideas are difficult to grasp but please&#8230;.the towel would be for your private bath not for quests. With guests you still provide toilet paper but it takes allot less to sop up a few water drops than to try to clean up a load of you know what. And it&#8217;s much cleaner&#8230;.unless you have chosen to never watch how many guys fail to wash their hands after going (I have watched, in horror) and then those guys will be out picking over the food, and putting some back down no doubt, at your buffet. Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill...

You can email me direct ... sue at varietylighting dot com...no spaces, of course.


This link might fit into another thread better, but the enbedded youtube video demonstrates a flashlight we don&#039;t stock!!  Very cool!

http://nooilforpacifists.blogspot.com/2009/03/obama-stimulates-handgun-sales.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill&#8230;</p>
<p>You can email me direct &#8230; sue at varietylighting dot com&#8230;no spaces, of course.</p>
<p>This link might fit into another thread better, but the enbedded youtube video demonstrates a flashlight we don&#8217;t stock!!  Very cool!</p>
<p><a href="http://nooilforpacifists.blogspot.com/2009/03/obama-stimulates-handgun-sales.html" rel="nofollow">http://nooilforpacifists.blogspot.com/2009/03/obama-stimulates-handgun-sales.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Book will send my email address to you, I&#039;d be happy to talk with you. I prefer doing business with someone I know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Book will send my email address to you, I&#8217;d be happy to talk with you. I prefer doing business with someone I know.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt;Sorry if I offended somehow.&gt;&gt;

No offense taken.  I did want to point out that some of their information seemed to be somewhat misleading.  If you know what you&#039;re getting, and you&#039;re willing to pay for it, that&#039;s your choice.  No problem.  I&#039;ll even look for a good deal for you so I  can make a buck or two and make you even happier.  What bothers me is when the information is misleading, and in my case, customers are then unhappy because I&#039;ve sold them a product they feel doesn&#039;t live up to it&#039;s promise.

For example:

&gt;&gt;I have noticed the CFL’s don’t last as long as they advertise (5+ years in some cases).&gt;&gt;

I&#039;ve seen 7 years as well.  CFLs don&#039;t burn for _years_...they burn for _hours_.  If you can find the original label of your 5 year bulb, you&#039;ll find a little * or  a little cross next to the name.  Very small, very light print.  Then if you hunt both sides of the label (you may need a magnifying glass) you&#039;ll find _somewhere_ on the label very very small print in some out of the main part location that says &quot;based on residential use of 3 hours use per day&quot; or some such.  If you do the math, you&#039;ll usually find that the expected life is about 8-10 thousand hours.  Since that&#039;s an average life, if you get more than 50%, you&#039;ve got all you&#039;re going to get.  Theoretically, they test lightbulbs by burning a large number of them in a single setting, and when half have burned out, that&#039;s the &quot;average&quot; life. 

&gt;&gt;Please don’t destroy the myth that CFL’s save me money.&gt;&gt;

It depends on how you use them and how you count your savings.  If you figure Kwh, there&#039;s no question that CFLs will save you money.  If you add in the original cost of the bulb plus replacements over time, they probably _still_ save you money.  But if you buy cheap brands, use them in closed cans, use dimmers or frequent on/off situations, you&#039;re going to be replacing them at a rate that will make the savings pretty slim if at all.  They may still have their uses.  One maintenance guy paid $9. each for the first candelabra based CFLs we got because he had a location with a chandelier where he had to put his ladder with two legs on a stair step and have someone hold it steady while he went nearly to the top to replace the bulbs.  He didn&#039;t care what they cost if it meant he didn&#039;t have to do that job more than once a year or so.  


When it comes to LEDs, I don&#039;t know.  They&#039;re still really expensive, but in some uses - like exit lights - they&#039;ve definitely proven themselves.  For other things, they haven&#039;t, but manufacturers are working on them.  Their long life is certainly attractive.  The chips are silicon so pretty environmentally neutral - but I don&#039;t know how they&#039;re made.  We don&#039;t see much environmental cost to CFL manufacture, because they&#039;re virtually all made in China.  

In the end, it&#039;s up to the consumer to determine the particular need and use whatever bulb makes the most sense for that particular purpose.  It&#039;s nice we have a choice, but it does mean that you have to educate yourself and rationally _make_ that choice.  I&#039;d rather that the consumer makes the choice than the government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Sorry if I offended somehow.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>No offense taken.  I did want to point out that some of their information seemed to be somewhat misleading.  If you know what you&#8217;re getting, and you&#8217;re willing to pay for it, that&#8217;s your choice.  No problem.  I&#8217;ll even look for a good deal for you so I  can make a buck or two and make you even happier.  What bothers me is when the information is misleading, and in my case, customers are then unhappy because I&#8217;ve sold them a product they feel doesn&#8217;t live up to it&#8217;s promise.</p>
<p>For example:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;I have noticed the CFL’s don’t last as long as they advertise (5+ years in some cases).&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen 7 years as well.  CFLs don&#8217;t burn for _years_&#8230;they burn for _hours_.  If you can find the original label of your 5 year bulb, you&#8217;ll find a little * or  a little cross next to the name.  Very small, very light print.  Then if you hunt both sides of the label (you may need a magnifying glass) you&#8217;ll find _somewhere_ on the label very very small print in some out of the main part location that says &#8220;based on residential use of 3 hours use per day&#8221; or some such.  If you do the math, you&#8217;ll usually find that the expected life is about 8-10 thousand hours.  Since that&#8217;s an average life, if you get more than 50%, you&#8217;ve got all you&#8217;re going to get.  Theoretically, they test lightbulbs by burning a large number of them in a single setting, and when half have burned out, that&#8217;s the &#8220;average&#8221; life. </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Please don’t destroy the myth that CFL’s save me money.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>It depends on how you use them and how you count your savings.  If you figure Kwh, there&#8217;s no question that CFLs will save you money.  If you add in the original cost of the bulb plus replacements over time, they probably _still_ save you money.  But if you buy cheap brands, use them in closed cans, use dimmers or frequent on/off situations, you&#8217;re going to be replacing them at a rate that will make the savings pretty slim if at all.  They may still have their uses.  One maintenance guy paid $9. each for the first candelabra based CFLs we got because he had a location with a chandelier where he had to put his ladder with two legs on a stair step and have someone hold it steady while he went nearly to the top to replace the bulbs.  He didn&#8217;t care what they cost if it meant he didn&#8217;t have to do that job more than once a year or so.  </p>
<p>When it comes to LEDs, I don&#8217;t know.  They&#8217;re still really expensive, but in some uses &#8211; like exit lights &#8211; they&#8217;ve definitely proven themselves.  For other things, they haven&#8217;t, but manufacturers are working on them.  Their long life is certainly attractive.  The chips are silicon so pretty environmentally neutral &#8211; but I don&#8217;t know how they&#8217;re made.  We don&#8217;t see much environmental cost to CFL manufacture, because they&#8217;re virtually all made in China.  </p>
<p>In the end, it&#8217;s up to the consumer to determine the particular need and use whatever bulb makes the most sense for that particular purpose.  It&#8217;s nice we have a choice, but it does mean that you have to educate yourself and rationally _make_ that choice.  I&#8217;d rather that the consumer makes the choice than the government.</p>
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